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Published: Tuesday, Oct. 15 2013 9:55 a.m. MDT

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Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

@bleeding Crimson

I am sure most BYU fans are pretty excited about the remaining match-ups against Boise State, Notre Dame, Wisconsin and a 5-0 Houston team. BYU fans aren't like some fan bases. We support the team no matter what. The same goes for basketball. Having a one-win season didn't decimate attendance. Can Utah say the same?

Scott Farcus
Beaver, UT

@Steven S Jarvis
"BYU fans aren't like some fan bases."

One word; Lemming

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

I think it's neat we get $6,000,000M to $8,000,000M every game!
CHaching! That's a ton of money.

Go Utes!
Springville, UT

Ernest T. Bass

Sorry, not even close. you get 6-8 million a season total.

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

Ken Lee, Solomon Levi and all you others who think there is no difference between ESPNU and ESPN's other channels. You better check your listings. I have Comcast Digital Basic, which is one step above the most basic of all packages Comcast offers and I don't have ESPNU. I only get ESPN and ESPN2. To get ESPNU I have to upgrade to Digital Preferred and pay a higher price. I was told that ESPNU is in about half as many homes as ESPN and ESPN2 as a result of being part of the preferred package on Comcast and most satellite providers. It doesn't bother me, because none of the Ute's games have been on ESPNU. My understanding of the Pac 12 broadcast deal is that the games will be on ESPN, ESPN2, one of the Fox channels or on the Pac 12 Net. I have all of those on my Digital Basic package so I'm happy.

From Ted's Head
Orem, UT

Kinda of funny when someone asks a question about independence and someone else responds with "there is no question..." Clearly there is a question. I'm on the side of independence and agree with others that the mission of the the school/church trumps conference championships. BYU just sent one guy in the first round to the NFL, with another potential early rounder this year, my point being that the players aren't losing out on professional opportunities as a result of independence. Alumni around the country have an opportunity of an BYU game against a local school instead of the fixed schedule of a conference deal. Candidly, I just don't see what the big deal about a conference affiliation is now that BYU has proven that they can get the TV coverage and quality opponents on the schedule. Maybe it's an age thing? I graduated from BYU in 1982 and there were plenty of conference championships to enjoy and eventually expect in the WAC.I believe there are schools out there that don't want to come to Provo to play BYU because of the likelihood of a loss ala Miami. Independence is working for me.

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

Steven S Jarvis,

Bad move. You can't back that up with any sort of facts, because they don't exist. Your fan base is the most fickle in the state. You couldn't even sell out LES for Lavell's last game. During the Gary Crowton years my Bishop was getting a letter from BYU before every home game offering $1 tickets to Church youth groups for activities. The same goes for basketball. During and shortly after that one win season the same offer was being made to Bishops for basketball games. If your arena and stadium were full, it wasn't with fans paying full price. It was a bunch of kids from the wards on the Wasatch front who were there with their youth leaders on the Church's dime. Meanwhile, we've been selling out RES for nearly every home game for years. We have one of the highest sell out rates in the Country. We also have one of the highest renewal rates for season ticket holders and that has been going on for at least 5 years. The last three years it's been almost 100%.

Cheyenne, WY

Mormon Ute
Something to consider
would Utah sell out a 64,000 seat stadium as often as BYU?
not poking fun just a question to think about. If I lived in Utah I would love to go to these games, but I can't.

Salt Lake City, Utah

Mormon Ute

"Ken Lee, Solomon Levi and all you others who think there is no difference between ESPNU and ESPN's other channels."

Why do you have to make stuff up in order to feel good about yourself? Nobody said there's no difference between ESPNU and ESPN/ESPN2. What they said was it's not that hard or expensive to get ESPNU. The Digital Preferred package is only $10 more per month than the Digital Basic package through Comcast. It's likely very similar in price on other cable/satellite systems and is available nationwide in 75 million homes, which is much wider distribution than the PAC 12 networks.

As far as fickle fans go, look no further than a couple of blocks east of RES, where the Huntsman Center has been a vast sea of empty red chairs for years.


I can't help but compare BYU to the University of New Mexico, which is still reeling from the after-effects of the "The mtn" debacle in the MWC. At one time, I was more a UNM fan than a BYU fan, but that has all changed now, and for one reason: UNM is hardly ever on TV, even its men's basketball team (which has been better than BYU for a number of years now, and may still be this year), and when it ~is~ on TV, it's almost always on a local channel that is little better than community access. One may tout the advantages of belonging to the PAC-12 or the Big 12 (although a lot more people get ESPNU and ESPN News than Fox-1 or whatever network the Utah-Stanford game was on [was it on TV?]), but there simply is no question that BYU was better off leaving the MWC when it did. And I'm sure there are a lot of formerly lukewarm BYU fans like me for whom the ability to see the Cougs on TV has made them significantly more loyal.

Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

It's refreshing that ESPN is showing its respect to BYU. BYU helped ESPN grow from its start and it's great to see ESPN recognize that BYU is an important brand nationwide.

A whole different topic...I love football but can't stop thinking that is the sacrifice of dozens of players' health a worthy goal for BYU to continue sponsoring football? It's been a great source of exposure for the Church but at what cost? It seems like it should be reviewed...

Mark from Montana
Aurora, CO

I realize that I may be asked to surrender my 'man card' by saying this, but I don't care about football.....college, pro or any other kind of it. Ditto for golf, baseball, soccer, basketball, or even (gasp) bass fishing.

Call me a wimp, but I gave up on all sports years ago and have many more hours each week to pursue my hobbies.


Hasn't the content in the article been told over and over again? Give us something original, Mr. Teeples.

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT


Here's a quote from Ken Lee's comment: "Hey, you monkeys carping about a heirachy of the various ESPN channels should just relax. No one cares or differentiates which ESPN channel you are on...they are ALL carried on cable/satellite equally and they all have big name schools sprinkled throughout." That's what I was responding to. So there you go. I wasn't making it up. You can go back to his comment to see for yourself.

To your point, being available and actually being in those homes are two different things. The number of homes I was referring to is the actual number of homes subscribed to that preferred package and I was told it is about half the number that have the basic package. With the Pac 12 Network in 48 million homes (not just available, but actually on their package) that is equal to or better than ESPNU or ESPN News.

BeSmart, that's a hypothetical question that nobody can answer. I don't think RES will ever be expanded to 65,000. The trend right now in college footbal is 50,000 to 55,000 and I think that's where Utah will stop.

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT


There's no doubt BYU is better off now than they were in the MWC, but the author of the article took a swipe at Utah and the Pac 12 in his third paragraph. That's what has gotten some of us to challenge him. Utah vs Stanford was on the Pac 12 Network which is available from your cable provider or Dish Network. Fox Sports 1 is the channel you are referring to and we had two earlier games on that channel. It is available nationwide with the same distribution as ESPN's main channel. The Pac 12 deal with Fox also gives our teams access to Fox's main broadcast channel.

Salt Lake City, UT

If byu fans like independence and their relationship with ESPN better than being in a conference, fine. Run with it. What I don't understand is why the local media has this driving need to continually and frequently put out articles depicting how great byu's situation is. If it's so great, why the non-stop sales campaign?

I have to say, though,all the talk from byu fans regarding sold out stadiums and high quality schedules does not hold up to the facts. But, as I said, if you people are happy with it...

Lincoln Park, IL


Why do Utah fans constantly have to beat their chests about being in the PAC 12?

Everybody reading these blogs already knows it.

Could it be that you're still trying to validate your PAC membership by pretending that you're actually a contender.

btw, one upset win doesn't make you a contender. Check the standings. You've only played 3 conference games and you're already 2 games behind the PAC south leader whom you lost to. UCLA would have to lose 3 games for the Utes to finish ahead of the Bruins.

Y's little brother
Sandy, UT

Why do Utah fans read articles about BYU's partnership with ESPN only to whine about them?


Mormon Ute --

Of course, the other advantage BYU has is BYUtv, which is not only part of a lot of people's cable/satellite packages in the U.S. but is beamed all over the world. (I'm sure that's more attributable to General Conference than to BYU athletics, but the effect is the same.) Football independence and non-football membership in the WCC has enabled BYUtv to broadcast or replay a lot of games that it might not otherwise be able to show. And, personally, I like being able to watch the home games of the BYU women's volleyball, women's soccer, and men's volleyball teams--which I'd never get to see but for BYUtv.

Gilbert, AZ

Mormon Ute

You're sadly mistaken if you think that a Utah game "available" in some household outside of Utah's fan base really draws much interest from sports fans in that household.

Like it or not, BYU has a national fan base that enjoys watching BYU sports wherever they are. ESPN and BYUtv give them that option, even if the game is broadcast on ESPNU.

As much as you'd like to believe otherwise so you can sleep at night, ESPN didn't sign BYU to a long-term contract just to shuffle BYU games off to some place where they would be "hidden" away.

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