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Landon Hemsley: Where are all the detractors of BYU quarterback Taysom Hill's arm now?

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  • Y Grad Pumping Gas Beaver, UT
    Oct. 15, 2013 7:24 a.m.

    One word "Heisman"

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Oct. 14, 2013 11:19 p.m.

    Harbaugh was no dummy when he recruited Taysom Hill to Stanford. Barring a bad injury going forward, Taysom Hill will be one of the best QB's ever to come out of BYU.

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    Oct. 14, 2013 5:30 p.m.

    Ankle biters?

    Watched a little too much Sesame Street and Barney, did you Y Dad?

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 14, 2013 5:20 p.m.

    @Vladhagen
    AMEN! I agree with you 100%. You have to have quite a bias to be critical of a perfect pass for a TD because he didn't throw to another receiver. Poor Taysom's mother can't even attend her son's games because of the vitriol being thrown by the occasional whiny and unreasonable fan to Taysom (inside information). He is NOT Riley 2.0. Hill has a far better arm and athleticism.

    Hill will be fine. He has the talent and potential to be a great QB. He is NOT the question mark on this offense. It is the offensive coordinator and offensive line that are suspect. Anae and his O-line had complete lapses in the 3rd quarter and most of the 4th qtr last game. If u want your qb to flourish, you have to show a little unpredictability in your playcalling and you HAVE TO BLOCK for your quarterback (like they did the 1st half). If you don't have those 2 factors, even Peyton Manning couldn't move this offense.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 14, 2013 4:42 p.m.

    it's not his arm strength - its his field vision and accuracy that has a ways to grow yet...

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 14, 2013 3:53 p.m.

    Sadly, there seem to always exist the kind of detractors and criticizers who keep yapping and complaining unless their qb is constantly setting records after having his team #1 in the country. Those people seem to have an affinity for the negative while discounting the positive. Their comments aren't worth the ink it takes to print them.

    I have to laugh when people try to discount the quality of teams BYU has beaten. Texas came in #15 in the country, beat the #12 team on Saturday and currently leads the Big 12 conference.
    Middle Tennessee came into Provo with a winning record and still maintains one.
    Georgia Tech also came into Provo with a winning record after beating some pretty good teams.
    Are these teams world-beaters? Of course not. But they are decent teams who seemed genuinely impressed with BYU compared to everyone they had played.

    BYU is very, very fortunate to have a qb the caliber of Hill. He has exceptional leadership skills and his fellow players love him. He has shown every indication he will just keep getting better and better. Sit back, believe and enjoy.

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 14, 2013 3:40 p.m.

    Comp/Att Yards YPA TD INT QB Rating
    Kansas QB
    13/26 152 5.8 1 1 4.6, with -39 yards rushing

    BYU QB
    19/27 244 9.0 1 0 72.2, plus a rushing TD and 65 yards rushing

    Maybe the spacing will actually be maintained this time.
    Anyone who bashes on Taysom for throwing a touchdown because it wasn't the right read must fit into the same camp of people who say Jim McMahon should never have sent the punt team off the field in the Miracle Bowl because it was too risky to go for it. To add to the silliness of the Taysom to Cody pass, you had to go back and rewatch the film and change YOUR read on the play. Clown arguments.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Oct. 14, 2013 2:08 p.m.

    Y-Ask-Y?
    Provo, UT

    "Where are the "detractors"?

    We are right here, and are unconvinced by such mediocre, inconsistent play."

    The detractors are where they have always been, nipping around the ankles, waiting for something new to bash BYU about.

    An honest assessment would be that at least half of the criticism of Hill really belonged to the line and his receivers. He looks much better because they did much better.

    Was it the rightt read? Or did he just have justifiable confidence in Hoff. Like it or not, that was a powerful, spot-on throw that Hoff turned into a spectacular play.

    Detractors? Ankle biters.

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 14, 2013 1:04 p.m.

    Comp/Att Yards YPA TD INT QB Rating
    Kansas QB
    13/26 1525.8114.6, with -39 yards rushing

    BYU QB
    19/27 2449.01072.2, plus a rushing TD and 65 yards rushing

    Which team got the better deal on QB this week? BYU "fans" are whiny. BYU fans back up Taysom. End of story.

  • bigirish OREM, UT
    Oct. 14, 2013 12:43 p.m.

    I remember how bad Beck was until a senior, and even Ty Detmer had some horrible nights as an upper classman, let alone as a freshmen. I think TH is getting more support from the line and receivers, while he gets better too. I like his improved accuracy, his throws on the run, his run option, though more contained lately since teams saw him in the Texas
    game. That may be a feat he won't repeat too soon, unless he meets a team without a defense. The media keeps touting Houston at 5-0, but who have they played? Just wondering. It should still be a tough contest. Hats off to three good wins in a row, but Utah still hurts. Always will, though them beating Stanford shows we got beat by a pretty good team - and not by much, since we beat ourselves mostly. Let's not play them in the first part of the season anymore but schedule them later as a non conference foe - maybe better chances?

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Oct. 14, 2013 12:14 p.m.

    Lord have mercy. So many experts - should all be working as pro scouts. Please contact Robert Anae right away. He needs your help!

  • SammFan Sammamish, WA
    Oct. 14, 2013 11:33 a.m.

    His Adjusted QBR for the season has him #37 and climbing. That includes at least three games where he barely registered a blip. I think he's a solid college QB and climbing fast. 2.5 more years of improvement at anything like the improvement over 6 games will be fun to watch.

  • Truth Whisperer Chandler, TX
    Oct. 14, 2013 10:38 a.m.

    @texascougars

    BYU is 12 points or a bad play call and a penalty short of an undefeated season.

    Utah State has an excellent Defense and we could have put 40+ points on them if Anae would have let the dogs loose. We put 40 points up on the big bad Longhorns from your hometown with top 5 recruiting classes. The same team that beat #12 Oklahoma by 12 points in Dallas this week. And we put 38 points up on a team that gave #13 rated Miami a very tough game the previous week.

    Do we have a ways to go, no doubt, but let's not short sell the achievments.

    If we had Cody and no Monsoon in Virginia we win by 2 touch downs (we would have won anyway had Anae not called a pass play deep in our own territory with 3 minutes to go in the game. We also would have beaten Utah had the PAC12 Refs (who blew the ASU vs Wisconsin game the previous week)not called a holding penalty on a kick return for a TD. Those are the breaks, but both games were winnable.

    I think we are doing well and improving.

  • stanfunky Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 14, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    Sorry, yards per attempt isn't a true ranking of a QB's improvement.
    Pass Efficiency is a much better indicator (Hill is 111th in this category).

    Looking at the defenses he's faced tells the story:

    Virginia - 28th (loss)
    Texas - 67th (win)
    Utah - 36th (loss)
    Middle Tennessee - 92nd (win)
    Utah State - 13th (win)
    Georgia Tech - 43rd (win)

    Having the nation's #3 defense has been a boon for Hill, as he can have a bad game and still come out with the win. However, the latter half of the season will show us if his recent improvement is a mirage (averaging 9 YPA against defenses collectively ranked 49th) or if he's shed the bad passing habits from early in the season.

    By the way, Wisconsin, Boise State, and Notre Dame collectively rank 11th in total defense. So if Hill averages 275 or more yards passing per game, against them, then we can talk about him emerging as the next great BYU QB. If he manages less than 200 per game and BYU loses all three games, then we know who Hill is - Riley Nelson 2.0 and nothing more.

  • Robroy Murray, utah
    Oct. 14, 2013 10:11 a.m.

    Hill is really a Freshman in terms of experience. If his Oline and OC help him out he'll be just fine. The guy is smart, big, strong, fast and has a rocket arm. With a little more time and experience he'll be just fine. He can't do it all by himself.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Oct. 14, 2013 9:40 a.m.

    I think most thought that Hill had a strong arm. It is nice to see him having success with the pass. I really do not like to see him torpedoing himself into the defense on a run.

  • Goldminer Salem, ut
    Oct. 14, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    It appears that when Hill has time to throw, he does well. He has definitely improved greatly since the first game! He is a "danger" to the opponents because he can definitely run! Keep giving him MORE time, Offensive Line!!!! And protect him, too!!!!

    Sure wish he had been where he is today when the Y played Utah! :):)

  • texascougars Austin, TX
    Oct. 14, 2013 9:32 a.m.

    Bottom line is that we're not undefeated and we lost to utah again. Hill still has a lot of "growing" to do. College football has changed (no, not to the spread option), but teams can win now and don't have to wait for their sophomore qb to be a jr or sr. BYU dosn't have the luxury or "street cred" to wait two or three years to win. We have to do it now. We will not get the recruits we need to compete at the next level by producing what we have on the field right now. It has to get better fast. It makes me sick that we feel good about beating a Utah State without their qb. They were utah state, they aren't in the same league the real test comes with notre dame and wisconsin. Stop feeling good about beating teams we're suppose to beat.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Oct. 14, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    Being only a sophomore , Hill will continue to improve and IMO he will improve to the point the NFL will want him, you don't get kids with his athleticism at the QB position all that often and he has a very strong arm and has shown touch lately, give him some time and he will shine.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 14, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    Taysom Hill will go down as a great qb (if the line protects hims). A top 30 qb coming out of H.S.. Olsen completed only 57.1 percent of his passes at SUU.

  • Kaladin Greeley, CO
    Oct. 14, 2013 8:32 a.m.

    Taysom is a SOPHOMORE. The Cougs implemented an entirely new offensive identity this year. We (sane fans) knew there would be some growing pains. Are they over? No. But has the team made some significant strides? Yes. Just think, the Cougs are a few drives away from undefeated with a young QB and a new offense. What's not to like?

  • clwnuke Park City, UT
    Oct. 14, 2013 8:08 a.m.

    k56sportsfan is right about the big touchdown pass. My view was from the back of the offense and Taysom never even looked at the wide-open receiver on the left corner route. I was just about to get upset when Cody made the miracle catch. Taysom was lucky the ball he threw was caught, but it wasn't the high quality read and pass we'd like to see.

    There was also one misdirection play where Taysom three a 10 yard pass at the feet of the wide-open receiver with nothing but green in front of him. That was disappointing.

    When Taysom makes the easy throws consistently, sees the open receivers, and stops leading the defense by focusing on one guy, I'll agree with this article.

    That all being said - Good job Cougs!

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    Oct. 14, 2013 7:21 a.m.

    I think your story is premature. I don't like to judge quarterbacks by their arm until they play some top teams. Easy wins are easy wins no matter who is at QB

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Oct. 14, 2013 7:05 a.m.

    He was so bad, that a little improvement looks good. Let's see how he does against a tough defense like Wisconsin before we declare him a super star. I hope he is the best ever, but he has not shown it yet. He's now where he should have been for the start of the season.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Oct. 14, 2013 4:29 a.m.

    Wisconsin is back in the AP Top 25 this week. If the Badgers are still ranked when they face BYU in a few weeks, and Taysom Hill leads the Cougars to a win in Madison, that would be a HUGE feather in his cap as well as in the cap of the entire Cougar team and coaching staff.

    I know, it won't completely make up for the Utah loss, but to beat two ranks teams this season (the first one being Texas who was ranked #15 when they faced BYU), with one of those wins being on the road, would still be a big shot in the arm to Cougar Nation.

    Go Cougars and Go Taysom Hill!

  • Y-Ask-Y? Provo, UT
    Oct. 14, 2013 4:22 a.m.

    Where are the "detractors"?

    We are right here, and are unconvinced by such mediocre, inconsistent play.

    Silly article.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Oct. 14, 2013 4:18 a.m.

    Taysom has played great in the last three games, but this week the Cougars play at the University of Houston, who, while not a Top 25 team, are nevertheless 5-0 so far this season.

    That is followed by games against Boise State, at Wisconsin and at Notre Dame.

    If Taysom can steadily improve, he should be able to lead the Cougars in at least two wins over those four teams. If he and the Cougars can pull off three or maybe four wins against those teams, than his critics will become more and more muted.

    I would like to see OC Anae work on some plays where Taysom can get the ball to the tight ends more. That's not to rip on the Cougar receivers like Cody Hoffman, but when Cody is covered, Taysom should be able to connect with his tight ends.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Oct. 14, 2013 12:21 a.m.

    I agree with both 72coug and souptwins... I have far more concerns about our OC than I do our QB... You don't start trying to kill the clock with an 11 point lead in the 3rd quarter of a game... That may have been the worst called quarter that I have seen this year (other than the first 3 quarters in the Virginia game)...

    If Hill had a little more experience I would say let Hill call his own plays for a quarter and see how he does... Anae needs to let these guys play... The open scheme has worked far better than the tackle dives that Anae has been calling on 1st and 2nd down when we get a lead...

    I do have to make a comment on 72Coug's comment about the Utah State game... Thew aggies were not depleated on Defense simply because Keeton got hurt, he plays QB not Defense... In fact, Utah State at the time had a Defense that was rated higher than ours or the utes... So one should not short sell Hill's performance in Logan, it was excellent... And, GT's Defense was rated better than ours so again Hill deserves credit.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Oct. 14, 2013 12:09 a.m.

    I think there is some merrit to what K56 says but there is also more criticism than I think is deserved... I do think that the Hill-Hoffman connection highlighted Hoffman more than Hill but it was still a very good throw... I also agree that Hill gives up a little too early on his receiver check offs, but he is getting better... And I think that he still throws a few too many balls behind his Receivers...

    However, K56 almost sounds like an Ammon Olsen Relative... I am from out of state and I have not seen the kid play other than to kill the clock. He maybe the Passing guru that he speaks of (in the form of Wilson or Nielson) but he doesn't look to have near the mobility that Hill has... Hill reminds me of a right handed younger Steve Young... I think that he is as good on his feet and has every bit of the arm strength that Young had and even has the football smarts of Young... He just doesn't have the experience or the battle scars yet... He will get them and he will be great, I have no doubt...

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    Oct. 13, 2013 11:46 p.m.

    72coug-- I had the same question about the play calling in the 2nd half. An old woman in the upper deck knew they'd run it up the middle on 1st & 2nd down so why on earth wouldn't the GTech defense? We were not far enough ahead to be going on cruise control at that point with a whole half to play. Better teams will make us pay for that strategy. I'm hoping the team doesn't look past Houston or think their 5-0 mark is nothing more than a reflection of their schedule. Yes, they've played weak teams but know BYU is their toughest match and will prepare accordingly.

  • 72coug12 casper, WY
    Oct. 13, 2013 10:02 p.m.

    Landon,
    Hill looked very good Saturday. No question about that. However, in his last three games he has better stats but against a weakened USU team, a pretty bad G. Tech team and someplace in TEnn that no one has ever heard of. Are you going to be able to write the same column after Boise State, Wisconsin and ND?

    Now for the real question? Finally, Finally, Finally, Anae had the team throw on something other than third down. And BYU passed the ball well when Hill wasn't pressured. But then in the second half, for some unknown reason Anae returns to running up the middle on both first and second down and gives Hill long 3rd down situatoins. And....the second half was not nearly as good. So the question is why did Anae change what was working? Or the better question...why Anae?

  • k56sportsfan Draper, UT
    Oct. 13, 2013 10:01 p.m.

    But "dansimp" if you want BYU to get to the "next level" (BCS member or a BCS Buster) then it's going to take more than just a lucky throw or two. It's going to take real consistency play out of a real Div I QB.
    But if you want to occasionally beat Utah, etc., then BYU should stay on this path.
    Guarantee you that the more BYU continues to build it's O around T Hill -- the less likely BYU will get the attention of receivers who want to be the next Hoffman... Do you really think top HS receivers want to come play for a team that "occasionally" throws the ball with the effectiveness we saw last night against a marginal "ACC" team.
    Do you really know why C Hoffman was suspended for a game a couple of weeks ago? Have you ever noticed C Hoffman's + Apo's body language in previous games?
    "Winning cures all ills" especially for BYU Fans- but it's merely a band aid for now.

  • k56sportsfan Draper, UT
    Oct. 13, 2013 10:00 p.m.

    Sorry "dansimp" my previous comment regarding the "seam route" was wrong- the "open" receiver was on a corner route. The ball wasn't "on the money" it was behind the receiver- the reason it was on the Top Ten Plays was because C Hoffman made an incredible catch.

  • dansimp Layton, UT
    Oct. 13, 2013 9:16 p.m.

    I love BYU football, but k56, holy cow, you are the kind of fan that makes me crazy. The touchdown pass, that was right on the hands of the receiver, "was the wrong read". I just..you..good heavens. So ridiculous.

  • k56sportsfan Draper, UT
    Oct. 13, 2013 8:57 p.m.

    Still not a big fan of T Hill. I again saw him in person last night @ LES. That long throw to Hoffman showed off more accuracy in a long pass w/ his arm, BUT that was the wrong read -- he had his receiver on a seam route that would've been the correct read and pass to make on that play.
    If you notice -- almost all of his passes are to his primary receiver. However, in last night's game did, on one or two occasions, he did actually make a pass play by working through the plays progression to hit his 2nd and a 3rd receiver options -- that's progress. But a starting QB, who is GOOD Div I QB, should be able to do that -- especially a BYU-trained QB (that is - if we're still going to be known as the "QB Factory").
    I still believe that Ammon Olsen is the better, prototypical, BYU QB.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 13, 2013 8:42 p.m.

    That pass from Hill to Cody Hoffman in the end zone in the GT game laid all of this to rest. It was #2 on the Top Ten Plays in college football last night on ESPN.

    Go Cougars!

  • Uncle Rico Sandy, UT
    Oct. 13, 2013 8:39 p.m.

    It's simple, Taysom was terrible with his passing game early on and has gotten much better.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 13, 2013 8:13 p.m.

    No kidding! He"s been really good