No kidding! He"s been really good
It's simple, Taysom was terrible with his passing game early on and has
gotten much better.
That pass from Hill to Cody Hoffman in the end zone in the GT game laid all of
this to rest. It was #2 on the Top Ten Plays in college football last night on
Still not a big fan of T Hill. I again saw him in person last night @ LES. That
long throw to Hoffman showed off more accuracy in a long pass w/ his arm, BUT
that was the wrong read -- he had his receiver on a seam route that
would've been the correct read and pass to make on that play.If you
notice -- almost all of his passes are to his primary receiver. However, in last
night's game did, on one or two occasions, he did actually make a pass play
by working through the plays progression to hit his 2nd and a 3rd receiver
options -- that's progress. But a starting QB, who is GOOD Div I QB, should
be able to do that -- especially a BYU-trained QB (that is - if we're still
going to be known as the "QB Factory").I still believe that Ammon
Olsen is the better, prototypical, BYU QB.
I love BYU football, but k56, holy cow, you are the kind of fan that makes me
crazy. The touchdown pass, that was right on the hands of the receiver,
"was the wrong read". I just..you..good heavens. So ridiculous.
Sorry "dansimp" my previous comment regarding the "seam route"
was wrong- the "open" receiver was on a corner route. The ball
wasn't "on the money" it was behind the receiver- the reason it was
on the Top Ten Plays was because C Hoffman made an incredible catch.
But "dansimp" if you want BYU to get to the "next level" (BCS
member or a BCS Buster) then it's going to take more than just a lucky
throw or two. It's going to take real consistency play out of a real Div I
QB.But if you want to occasionally beat Utah, etc., then BYU should stay
on this path.Guarantee you that the more BYU continues to build it's
O around T Hill -- the less likely BYU will get the attention of receivers who
want to be the next Hoffman... Do you really think top HS receivers want to come
play for a team that "occasionally" throws the ball with the
effectiveness we saw last night against a marginal "ACC" team.Do
you really know why C Hoffman was suspended for a game a couple of weeks ago?
Have you ever noticed C Hoffman's + Apo's body language in previous
games? "Winning cures all ills" especially for BYU Fans- but
it's merely a band aid for now.
Landon,Hill looked very good Saturday. No question about that. However, in
his last three games he has better stats but against a weakened USU team, a
pretty bad G. Tech team and someplace in TEnn that no one has ever heard of. Are
you going to be able to write the same column after Boise State, Wisconsin and
ND? Now for the real question? Finally, Finally, Finally, Anae had
the team throw on something other than third down. And BYU passed the ball well
when Hill wasn't pressured. But then in the second half, for some unknown
reason Anae returns to running up the middle on both first and second down and
gives Hill long 3rd down situatoins. And....the second half was not nearly as
good. So the question is why did Anae change what was working? Or the better
72coug-- I had the same question about the play calling in the 2nd half. An old
woman in the upper deck knew they'd run it up the middle on 1st & 2nd
down so why on earth wouldn't the GTech defense? We were not far enough
ahead to be going on cruise control at that point with a whole half to play.
Better teams will make us pay for that strategy. I'm hoping the team
doesn't look past Houston or think their 5-0 mark is nothing more than a
reflection of their schedule. Yes, they've played weak teams but know BYU
is their toughest match and will prepare accordingly.
I think there is some merrit to what K56 says but there is also more criticism
than I think is deserved... I do think that the Hill-Hoffman connection
highlighted Hoffman more than Hill but it was still a very good throw... I also
agree that Hill gives up a little too early on his receiver check offs, but he
is getting better... And I think that he still throws a few too many balls
behind his Receivers...However, K56 almost sounds like an Ammon
Olsen Relative... I am from out of state and I have not seen the kid play other
than to kill the clock. He maybe the Passing guru that he speaks of (in the form
of Wilson or Nielson) but he doesn't look to have near the mobility that
Hill has... Hill reminds me of a right handed younger Steve Young... I think
that he is as good on his feet and has every bit of the arm strength that Young
had and even has the football smarts of Young... He just doesn't have the
experience or the battle scars yet... He will get them and he will be great, I
have no doubt...
I agree with both 72coug and souptwins... I have far more concerns about our OC
than I do our QB... You don't start trying to kill the clock with an 11
point lead in the 3rd quarter of a game... That may have been the worst called
quarter that I have seen this year (other than the first 3 quarters in the
Virginia game)...If Hill had a little more experience I would say
let Hill call his own plays for a quarter and see how he does... Anae needs to
let these guys play... The open scheme has worked far better than the tackle
dives that Anae has been calling on 1st and 2nd down when we get a lead...I do have to make a comment on 72Coug's comment about the Utah
State game... Thew aggies were not depleated on Defense simply because Keeton
got hurt, he plays QB not Defense... In fact, Utah State at the time had a
Defense that was rated higher than ours or the utes... So one should not short
sell Hill's performance in Logan, it was excellent... And, GT's
Defense was rated better than ours so again Hill deserves credit.
Taysom has played great in the last three games, but this week the Cougars play
at the University of Houston, who, while not a Top 25 team, are nevertheless 5-0
so far this season. That is followed by games against Boise State,
at Wisconsin and at Notre Dame. If Taysom can steadily improve, he
should be able to lead the Cougars in at least two wins over those four teams.
If he and the Cougars can pull off three or maybe four wins against those teams,
than his critics will become more and more muted. I would like to
see OC Anae work on some plays where Taysom can get the ball to the tight ends
more. That's not to rip on the Cougar receivers like Cody Hoffman, but when
Cody is covered, Taysom should be able to connect with his tight ends.
Where are the "detractors"?We are right here, and are
unconvinced by such mediocre, inconsistent play.Silly article.
Wisconsin is back in the AP Top 25 this week. If the Badgers are still ranked
when they face BYU in a few weeks, and Taysom Hill leads the Cougars to a win in
Madison, that would be a HUGE feather in his cap as well as in the cap of the
entire Cougar team and coaching staff.I know, it won't
completely make up for the Utah loss, but to beat two ranks teams this season
(the first one being Texas who was ranked #15 when they faced BYU), with one of
those wins being on the road, would still be a big shot in the arm to Cougar
Nation.Go Cougars and Go Taysom Hill!
He was so bad, that a little improvement looks good. Let's see how he
does against a tough defense like Wisconsin before we declare him a super star.
I hope he is the best ever, but he has not shown it yet. He's now where
he should have been for the start of the season.
I think your story is premature. I don't like to judge quarterbacks by
their arm until they play some top teams. Easy wins are easy wins no matter who
is at QB
k56sportsfan is right about the big touchdown pass. My view was from the back of
the offense and Taysom never even looked at the wide-open receiver on the left
corner route. I was just about to get upset when Cody made the miracle catch.
Taysom was lucky the ball he threw was caught, but it wasn't the high
quality read and pass we'd like to see.There was also one
misdirection play where Taysom three a 10 yard pass at the feet of the wide-open
receiver with nothing but green in front of him. That was disappointing. When Taysom makes the easy throws consistently, sees the open receivers,
and stops leading the defense by focusing on one guy, I'll agree with this
article. That all being said - Good job Cougs!
Taysom is a SOPHOMORE. The Cougs implemented an entirely new offensive identity
this year. We (sane fans) knew there would be some growing pains. Are they over?
No. But has the team made some significant strides? Yes. Just think, the Cougs
are a few drives away from undefeated with a young QB and a new offense.
What's not to like?
Taysom Hill will go down as a great qb (if the line protects hims). A top 30 qb
coming out of H.S.. Olsen completed only 57.1 percent of his passes at SUU.
Being only a sophomore , Hill will continue to improve and IMO he will improve
to the point the NFL will want him, you don't get kids with his athleticism
at the QB position all that often and he has a very strong arm and has shown
touch lately, give him some time and he will shine.
Bottom line is that we're not undefeated and we lost to utah again. Hill
still has a lot of "growing" to do. College football has changed (no,
not to the spread option), but teams can win now and don't have to wait for
their sophomore qb to be a jr or sr. BYU dosn't have the luxury or
"street cred" to wait two or three years to win. We have to do it now.
We will not get the recruits we need to compete at the next level by producing
what we have on the field right now. It has to get better fast. It makes me sick
that we feel good about beating a Utah State without their qb. They were utah
state, they aren't in the same league the real test comes with notre dame
and wisconsin. Stop feeling good about beating teams we're suppose to beat.
It appears that when Hill has time to throw, he does well. He has definitely
improved greatly since the first game! He is a "danger" to the
opponents because he can definitely run! Keep giving him MORE time, Offensive
Line!!!! And protect him, too!!!!Sure wish he had been where he is
today when the Y played Utah! :):)
I think most thought that Hill had a strong arm. It is nice to see him having
success with the pass. I really do not like to see him torpedoing himself into
the defense on a run.
Hill is really a Freshman in terms of experience. If his Oline and OC help him
out he'll be just fine. The guy is smart, big, strong, fast and has a
rocket arm. With a little more time and experience he'll be just fine. He
can't do it all by himself.
Sorry, yards per attempt isn't a true ranking of a QB's
improvement.Pass Efficiency is a much better indicator (Hill is 111th in
this category).Looking at the defenses he's faced tells the
story:Virginia - 28th (loss)Texas - 67th (win)Utah -
36th (loss)Middle Tennessee - 92nd (win)Utah State - 13th (win)Georgia Tech - 43rd (win)Having the nation's #3 defense has
been a boon for Hill, as he can have a bad game and still come out with the win.
However, the latter half of the season will show us if his recent improvement
is a mirage (averaging 9 YPA against defenses collectively ranked 49th) or if
he's shed the bad passing habits from early in the season.By
the way, Wisconsin, Boise State, and Notre Dame collectively rank 11th in total
defense. So if Hill averages 275 or more yards passing per game, against them,
then we can talk about him emerging as the next great BYU QB. If he manages
less than 200 per game and BYU loses all three games, then we know who Hill is -
Riley Nelson 2.0 and nothing more.
@texascougarsBYU is 12 points or a bad play call and a penalty short
of an undefeated season. Utah State has an excellent Defense and we
could have put 40+ points on them if Anae would have let the dogs loose. We put
40 points up on the big bad Longhorns from your hometown with top 5 recruiting
classes. The same team that beat #12 Oklahoma by 12 points in Dallas this week.
And we put 38 points up on a team that gave #13 rated Miami a very tough game
the previous week.Do we have a ways to go, no doubt, but let's
not short sell the achievments.If we had Cody and no Monsoon in
Virginia we win by 2 touch downs (we would have won anyway had Anae not called a
pass play deep in our own territory with 3 minutes to go in the game. We also
would have beaten Utah had the PAC12 Refs (who blew the ASU vs Wisconsin game
the previous week)not called a holding penalty on a kick return for a TD. Those
are the breaks, but both games were winnable.I think we are doing
well and improving.
His Adjusted QBR for the season has him #37 and climbing. That includes at least
three games where he barely registered a blip. I think he's a solid college
QB and climbing fast. 2.5 more years of improvement at anything like the
improvement over 6 games will be fun to watch.
Lord have mercy. So many experts - should all be working as pro scouts. Please
contact Robert Anae right away. He needs your help!
I remember how bad Beck was until a senior, and even Ty Detmer had some horrible
nights as an upper classman, let alone as a freshmen. I think TH is getting
more support from the line and receivers, while he gets better too. I like his
improved accuracy, his throws on the run, his run option, though more contained
lately since teams saw him in the Texasgame. That may be a feat he
won't repeat too soon, unless he meets a team without a defense. The media
keeps touting Houston at 5-0, but who have they played? Just wondering. It
should still be a tough contest. Hats off to three good wins in a row, but Utah
still hurts. Always will, though them beating Stanford shows we got beat by a
pretty good team - and not by much, since we beat ourselves mostly. Let's
not play them in the first part of the season anymore but schedule them later as
a non conference foe - maybe better chances?
Comp/Att Yards YPA TD INT QB RatingKansas QB13/26
1525.8114.6, with -39 yards rushingBYU QB19/27 2449.01072.2,
plus a rushing TD and 65 yards rushingWhich team got the better deal
on QB this week? BYU "fans" are whiny. BYU fans back up Taysom. End of
Y-Ask-Y?Provo, UT"Where are the "detractors"?We are right here, and are unconvinced by such mediocre, inconsistent
play."The detractors are where they have always been, nipping
around the ankles, waiting for something new to bash BYU about.An
honest assessment would be that at least half of the criticism of Hill really
belonged to the line and his receivers. He looks much better because they did
much better.Was it the rightt read? Or did he just have justifiable
confidence in Hoff. Like it or not, that was a powerful, spot-on throw that
Hoff turned into a spectacular play.Detractors? Ankle biters.
Comp/Att Yards YPA TD INT QB RatingKansas QB13/26 152 5.8 1 1
4.6, with -39 yards rushingBYU QB19/27 244 9.0 1 0
72.2, plus a rushing TD and 65 yards rushingMaybe the spacing will
actually be maintained this time. Anyone who bashes on Taysom for throwing
a touchdown because it wasn't the right read must fit into the same camp of
people who say Jim McMahon should never have sent the punt team off the field in
the Miracle Bowl because it was too risky to go for it. To add to the silliness
of the Taysom to Cody pass, you had to go back and rewatch the film and change
YOUR read on the play. Clown arguments.
Sadly, there seem to always exist the kind of detractors and criticizers who
keep yapping and complaining unless their qb is constantly setting records after
having his team #1 in the country. Those people seem to have an affinity for the
negative while discounting the positive. Their comments aren't worth the
ink it takes to print them. I have to laugh when people try to
discount the quality of teams BYU has beaten. Texas came in #15 in the country,
beat the #12 team on Saturday and currently leads the Big 12 conference. Middle Tennessee came into Provo with a winning record and still maintains
one. Georgia Tech also came into Provo with a winning record after beating
some pretty good teams. Are these teams world-beaters? Of course not. But
they are decent teams who seemed genuinely impressed with BYU compared to
everyone they had played. BYU is very, very fortunate to have a qb
the caliber of Hill. He has exceptional leadership skills and his fellow players
love him. He has shown every indication he will just keep getting better and
better. Sit back, believe and enjoy.
it's not his arm strength - its his field vision and accuracy that has a
ways to grow yet...
@VladhagenAMEN! I agree with you 100%. You have to have quite a bias to
be critical of a perfect pass for a TD because he didn't throw to another
receiver. Poor Taysom's mother can't even attend her son's games
because of the vitriol being thrown by the occasional whiny and unreasonable fan
to Taysom (inside information). He is NOT Riley 2.0. Hill has a far better arm
and athleticism. Hill will be fine. He has the talent and potential
to be a great QB. He is NOT the question mark on this offense. It is the
offensive coordinator and offensive line that are suspect. Anae and his O-line
had complete lapses in the 3rd quarter and most of the 4th qtr last game. If u
want your qb to flourish, you have to show a little unpredictability in your
playcalling and you HAVE TO BLOCK for your quarterback (like they did the 1st
half). If you don't have those 2 factors, even Peyton Manning couldn't
move this offense.
Ankle biters?Watched a little too much Sesame Street and Barney, did
you Y Dad?
Harbaugh was no dummy when he recruited Taysom Hill to Stanford. Barring a bad
injury going forward, Taysom Hill will be one of the best QB's ever to come
out of BYU.
One word "Heisman"