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Published: Saturday, Oct. 12 2013 12:00 p.m. MDT

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Orem, UT

@ Stalwart Sentinel

Unfortunately, you employ the same false dichotomy as those you oppose. Life is more complex. Abortion can be murder, or at least unethical, in certain circumstances but not in others.

Consider three instances of a man stabbed to death. The action in question (the stabbing) could have different levels of moral culpability. One case could be first degree murder, another manslaughter, and another legal (and merciful) euthanasia. The moral action is the same in each case, as is the consequence (a man stabbed to death), yet we judge each case radically differently.

A woman might have any number of legitimate reasons that excuse or mitigate an abortion. "Gender selection" is not among them. For one thing, it is arbitrary and serves no reasonable purpose (like preserving one's own life, sparing a damaged fetus unnecessary pain, etc.). More severely, it is sexist and perpetuates the oppression of women. It tampers with the human genome, placing political ideology above random natural selection. Such reckless arrogance could have profound repercussions for our species.

I respect women's right to choose, but all rights have limits. Abortions performed solely to gratify and to magnify white patriarchy are outside those limits.

Orem, UT

@ Stalwart Sentinel

Your last comment implies that you believe God and murder are incompatible. Presumably, your argument goes like this: "abortion is not murder because God sometimes approves abortion." This is a classic example of circular logic.

More seriously, God's approval of murder (at least in Christianity) is fatal to your assumption. God clearly endorses the murder of the wicked (1 Nephi 4; Nephi slays Laban). But he also condones the murder of the innocent (1 Samuel 15:3, "but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling...").

You might admonish me to keep scripture in context, which proves my point. Moral decisions must be considered in context. For God, sometimes murder is sinful but others times it is not. Likewise, sometimes abortion is murder (or unethical) but other times it is not.

So with all due respect, the burden is not mine to reconcile the mysteries and contradictions of God. If you wish to rely on God for your moral framework, you must deal with the fact that God does approve of murder, even of innocent children.

An abortion to save a life very well may be moral. An abortion to ensure a white, heterosexual baby boy is not.

Eldersburg, MD

It is obvious from certain comments that truly anything can be debated and justified under the guise of moral relativism to rationalize away accountability and consequence.

Aborting a baby because of gender is certainly murder in the eyes of God. That life would have been a physical vessel for one of God's spirit children if it was not for selfish motivations. It denies one of God's spirit children the privilege of progressing here on earth and thwarts the heart of His plan.

Then, there was the argument that selective abortions create an all or nothing proposition. No abortion even under the most extreme circumstances of danger to the mother is an easy decision to make or live with afterwards. This is not just for those who esteem the sanctity of all life. Moral relativism makes life outside the womb somehow more tangible.

For those who face such an awful decision from dire health reasons to the mother, it may be the ultimate test of sacrifice. The trading of one life for another is not just selectivity with what types of abortions are "permissible". Rather, it is a whole different case than all the other types.

Eldersburg, MD

Stalwart Sentinel

Church leaders, like God, respect our free will as to not create overly detailed rules concerning abortions, except to say they are only justifiable in cases of imminent danger to the mother or situations of rape, incest, etc. That is a minimum guideline to protect from temptations that can lead to hasty decisions and a lifetime of regret.

This is not advocating selective abortion. Rather, free will is required to decide in extreme cases. Such decisions should be made carefully and prayerfully according to God’s laws and counsel.

When the mother’s life is in jeopardy, then both lives must be considered. With rape, pregnancy resulted when free will was taken from the mother through a very grievous sin. These situations are so personal that only direction from the Lord can provide any certainty.

The Lord has said, "For behold, it is not meet that I should command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant; wherefore he receiveth no reward.”

Why then should God’s laws be spelled out so exact that we could not exercise free will?


Other cultures have had practices of killing off female infants and this is widely seen as barbaric.

Now the left has set up a system that is so concerned with the mother's rights that we have the same barbaric practice in modern society. Funny how things come full circle. I will wait to see what justifications are put forth for this inhuman behavior by the extreme left. It will be interesting to see how they try to twist logic this time....

layton, UT

RE: EternalPerspective, “God’s counsel.”

God is the creator of the unborn. Psalm 139:13-16 (NLT) You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body and knit me together in my mother’s womb. Thank you for making me so wonderfully complex! Your workmanship is marvelous--and how well I know it. You watched me as I was being formed in utter seclusion, as I was woven together in the dark of the womb. You saw me before I was born. Every day of my life was recorded in your book. Every moment was laid out before a single day had passed.

God has plans for the unborn. Jer 1:5 (AMP)Before I formed you in the womb I knew, and approved of you and before you were born I separated and set you apart, consecrating you; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.

Jeremiah is not referring to pre-existence of man but rather the foreknowledge of God. Before He was born, God knew He would be a prophet.

God who gives life to the dead and Calls into Being things that were not.(Romans 4:17 NIV)

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