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Published: Saturday, Oct. 12 2013 12:00 p.m. MDT

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rightascension
Provo, UT

Should a couple be allowed to abort a child just because it is not the desired gender? No. It is like asking -- Should a child be allowed to get rid of a parent because the parent is not the child's gender?

VA Saint
Chester, VA

There is absolutely nothing anyone could say that could justify this type of abhorrent action! Just horrible.

Stalwart Sentinel
San Jose, CA

Thanks for the clarification, rightascension.

Everyone hear that? By self-righteous moral decree, from hereon forward no one ought be granted an abortion lest rightascension approve of it. It shall no longer be known as "pro-choice" but rather "pro rightascension's choice".

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Stalwart Sentinel,

Do you then approve of gender-based abortion?

Stalwart Sentinel
San Jose, CA

Twin Lights,

It doesn't matter whether you, I, and the doctor "approve" of the abortion per our personal moral convictions; it is a decision for the individual/couple.

PLM
Kaysville, UT

Abortion is taking an innocent life - is the motive important? Babies have a right to life; no abortions except for incest or rape.

Nan BW
ELder, CO

Abortion is wrong. There are rare exceptions, but they are not for gender selection, convenience or any number of sad justifications for murder.

Stalwart Sentinel
San Jose, CA

PLM/Nan BW - Both of you list "exceptions" for abortion, so in those cases does God simply not consider the fetus to be alive? How and why does God pick and choose? And how is it that you both "know" which specific abortions God decides to "look the other way" on? Or, if rape/incest is involved, is the baby no longer an "innocent life" therefore making it worthy of termination?

I'm sorry but either all abortions are murder/taking a life, no exceptions, or none of them are. You cannot simply drift between "murder" and "exception" based on your personal belief that the manner of conception, etc... matters.

Further, if you're LDS, like I am, you are unfortunately mistaken to "believe" abortion is murder.

What in Tucket?
Provo, UT

A child is not a choice. This is tantamount to murder. Have the child and let it out for adoption, then have another if you wish. It is appalling to think of the trite reasons people have for doing abortions.

FelisConcolor
North Salt Lake, UT

Stalwart is correct: This is the logical result of the "right to choose".

If a couple can abort a baby because they can't afford it, or because it's too inconvenient, or because they "just don't want it", then why can't they abort a baby because it's the wrong sex?

Hamath
Omaha, NE

Sounds like a hate crime to me....

What's next? We'll have better and better technology to see what the genes before the baby is born.

Oh... This baby isn't going to be that smart or that that athletic. Better abort.

Pretty soon they'll be deciding on made to order kids. Just get rid of the rest... :((((.

Zona Zone
Mesa, AZ

Pro-choice somehow means letting doctors making a choice of moral conscience. Bizarre.

Logit
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Those on the political right (like the Christian Concern) find this news abhorrent for all the wrong reasons. Abortion of female fetuses ought not be wrong because of some archaic, sexist, white-knight protection of the female gender. It's wrong simply because abortion is wrong.

What's interesting here is the news' potential impact on the political left. What's going to happen when a woman's "right to choose" (which the left has worked so hard to pedestalize) so obviously and disparately impacts other females? Technology has finally caught up to abortion. It now reveals its irony: A woman's "right to choose" means passing along that same right to fewer future women. Priceless!

CB
Salt Lake City, UT

LOGIT: You took the words right out of my comment. Abortion has already lessened the community
of Liberals, why not women. And if you don't believe it's true, just look at China, where
the more wealth go into the back country of China to buy girls to be raised for their son's
future wives.

Galinda98
American Fork, UT

In parts of British Columbia, Canada, while pregnant women do have ultrasounds during their pregnancies as per the general practice, they CANNOT be told the baby's gender. There are good reasons for that. Particularly in the lower mainland of B.C., there is a very large east Indian population. It is common knowledge that a male baby is prized over a female baby in the culture. Ergo, NO ONE, no matter what race they are, are told what their baby's gender is, because it is simply unconstitutional to take the baby's life based on gender. Therefore, my daughter and my son had to wait until their children were born to find out what gender they were, JUST LIKE I, AND WOMEN THE WORLD OVER HAVE BEEN DOING FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS!!! It didn't hurt the parents one iota. They were glad that those parameters were in place.

1.96 Standard Deviations
OREM, UT

Stalwart Sentinel-

Church doctrine is clear on the matter. No need for debate. From True to the Faith:

"Latter-day prophets have denounced abortion, referring to the Lord’s declaration, “Thou shalt not . . . kill, nor do anything like unto it” (D&C 59:6). Their counsel on the matter is clear: Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints must not submit to, perform, encourage, pay for, or arrange for an abortion. If you encourage an abortion in any way, you may be subject to Church discipline.

Church leaders have said that some exceptional circumstances may justify an abortion, such as when pregnancy is the result of incest or rape, when the life or health of the mother is judged by competent medical authority to be in serious jeopardy, or when the fetus is known by competent medical authority to have severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth.

But even these circumstances do not automatically justify an abortion. Those who face such circumstances should consider abortion only after consulting with their local Church leaders and receiving a confirmation through earnest prayer."

brokenclay
Chandler, AZ

Feminists have reached the pinnacle of hypocrisy and horror in claiming to advance women's rights while at the same time mandating the homicide of an unborn human for THE SOLE REASON that she is female.

Stalwart Sentinel
San Jose, CA

1.96 - Church doctrine is clear, unfortunately not clear enough for you to correctly comprehend. Our Church views some instances of abortion unfavorably b/c it is viewed as an attempt to avoid consequences of a decision, not because it is murder.

1 - D&C 59:6 has footnotes, one of them relating to the word "like". All references, Ex. 22:19; Lev. 18:22; 1 Cor. 6:9; 1 Tim. 1:10., are referring to sexual impurity, not killing. When reading the scripture in entirety with footnotes and punctuation, the "nor do anything like unto it" is exclusively referencing adultery.

2 - When describing exceptions, the phrase "such as" suggests the list is not exhaustive. As I noted above, each scenario ought be the exclusive decision of those involved - not for the masses to determine.

3 - As you note, an "approved" abortion is discussed w/ ecclesiastical leaders and God via "earnest prayer." This automatically implies that God can "okay" an abortion. So, is God sanctioning the murder of an innocent unborn child? That must be the case if your perspective is to remain consistent. Please, explain your inconsistency or explain why God inspires us to murder His innocent, unborn children.

Joshua H.
Bountiful, Utah

I'm befuddled by people who find the idea of aborting a baby based on gender abhorrent, yet, somehow they feel that simply killing a baby just because it's a baby is somehow more acceptable. It's like the case about a year ago where the boyfriend fed his girlfriend the day after pill. The man was being prosecuted for murder (and rightly so) but it leaves one asking why is it is legally ok for the mom to kill a baby without the dads permission but it's not ok for the dad to kill his baby without the moms permission. We live in a messed up world.

SenoraJefe
orem, UT

So... Aborting an unwanted baby is okay, but only if its not based on the gender? I hope this leads them to embrace the truth that all baby killing is bad.

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