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Published: Friday, Oct. 11 2013 9:25 a.m. MDT

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ldsdaniel
San Diego, CA

Simply, I feel the church should remove that statistic from the statement. It makes us look so cold no matter what you say after that. Come on, guys.

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

sg

What better time to be called home then when you are 19-21?? Are you serious? How about when you are old, have lived a good long life and have children and grandchildren... I don't get why people glorify those taken while serving a mission as if it is somehow better then living out their lives and dying of old age. I don't get it. There is nothing right about dying young.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

Re: Patriot " We now have 18 year old kids literally going from the halls of their high school to some of the most exotic and in some cases dangerous places on the planet and that should cause some policy changes I would think within the church." I think 18 is too young.

morpunkt
Glendora, CA

I grew up, literally, 1 1/2 blocks north of where this accident in Azusa, Ca. occurred, since 1962. And I can tell you, this accident, that transpired was adjacent to Cerritos Ave. It is VERY busy, and always has been. ANYBODY can get into trouble with a car, at any time, if you don't look out for cars. I can't possibly see how the church can be held "accountable" for this most unfortunate tragedy. My condolences to the family of this fine young man.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Deepest condolences to those who knew and loved Elder Kunz.

I do worry when I see our missionaries riding bikes along our busy streets, especially as darkness falls. I believe our cell phone texting and talking practices has added an increased risk for suto-bicyclist accidents even here in CA where there are laws prohibiting these activities. I continue to see many people text/talking while driving. I believe the answer needs to come from technology--some type of device that would make texting features unworkable while driving.

In the meantime perhaps church members could more frequently offer the missionaries transportation to their appts?

The Deuce
Livermore, CA

It would appear that as the age for missionary service has become younger, the LDS Church is now seeing the result of less experienced missionaries navigating life in the big city. If anything, the age for missioinary work should be increased to 21 years to provide these young people more life experiences before they tackle life head-on. Just an opinion to consider. When there are so many other ways to communicate the message in this day, walking the streets seems to be the least effective and most dangerous. It's time to reconsider the approach.

TripleCrown
Santa Ana, CA

My SINCERE condolences and heartfelt compassion to the family and friends of Elder Page and Elder Kunz. These deaths are agonizing tragedies.

Never the less, other than again saying, "Be careful out there", there was NOTHING the LDS Church could have done to prevent these deaths. They were both accidents caused by poor judgement and carelessness. Wearing an orange vest and helmet will not help if you do a u-turn on a bicycle in front of an approaching vehicle. As a cyclist who commutes 25 miles nearly every work day, I am keenly aware that lapses in attention or poor decisions by cyclists (or pedestrians) may result in serious injury or death, regardless of whether or not the person is a full time missionary.

Balancing along a 2nd story ledge is not a wise decision, even if you don't know there is a live electrical wire in your way. Sometimes not fully developed judgement skills get young adults into trouble. This could happen whether or not they are serving a church mission.

poyman
Lincoln City, OR

You guys really need to get out of the "Opinion Boars" business... Y'all are so concerned about Political Correctness that any defense of the Religion or the Mormon faith y'all simply shoot down with your censors...

In many ways you are worse than the people that shoot at our beliefs... At least it is clear what side that they are on...

I place comments on probably 5 different boards with different genre and different sponsorships... It is safe to say that the DN Opinion Boards are the worst out there... The Editors really need to reel in the censors... Or like I said, get out of the opinion business altogether.

Neanderthal
Phoenix, AZ

@bikeboy:
"If I were in charge, I'd mandate that bicycling missionaries brighten themselves up!"

If I were in charge, I'd mandate that all missionaries have vehicles. The Church has plenty-a money to afford them. I know, I know... vehicles have accidents as well.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

"If I were in charge, I'd mandate that all missionaries have vehicles. The Church has plenty-a money to afford them." Amen to that! I don't dare ride a bike in traffic. Why should we expect these young men to?

wwhitlock
Apple Valley, CA

Hmm, more missionaries serving. If the mortality rate remains the same, the number of deaths increases. I'm I missing something.

Young men on bicycles, walking, driving, or standing on the street sometimes get hit by cars. This is true whether or not the young man is a missionary. Actually, much more likely for non-missionaries.

Young men some times do things like walk along ledges of two story buildings. Sometimes they fall and are injured or die. This is true whether the young man is a missionary or not. Again much more likely for non-missionaries.

If you think something more should be done about missionary safety, start where you are. Pray more for the safety of missionaries. This would be much more productive than ranting on the internet.

J.D.
Aurora, CO

This is happening far too often. Is this the fruit of the new missionary push?

A view from the Beltway
Purcellville, VA

I served in the Chilean Mission from 1973-1975. I have hung out of buses weaving through Santiago, questioned at gun point for "clandestine" activities (spying) by the national police, held my companion up on a 3rd class train with an acute appendicitis for over three hours because there was not a safe way to get the mission car to the small town where we were serving days before Pinochet took power, was so sick with a respiratory infection that I sincerely thought I was going to die, was in a 6.7 earthquake and, spent way too much time on the wrong end of machineguns held by soldiers and the national police. I still do not see how all of us who served during that time came home alive and walking on our own power. Was it the best to years of my life? Honestly, I cannot say it was. Would I do it over again? Yes, without hesitation.

Hamath
Omaha, NE

@ BrahmaBull

So...you are saying that God wouldn't/shouldn't take young people to heaven when they are this young. That they should be able to live out their life on earth to some longer period of time before they die.

Why?

It seems to me that if you believe in God and in heaven, then you when it's all said and done, what's so bad about them being in heaven? We miss those who are gone from us now... but they are in a better place now. What is so terrible about that?

If you don't believe in God, then your point seems... well pointless.

If you do believe in God, but not in heaven, then perhaps I can see why you might feel that way.

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

Hamath

Simple: I don't think god took them at all. I don't think god causes or prevents people from dying. The god I believe in doesn't take children away from their parents. They are all things that happen due to chance, not due to god. We don't know if they are in heaven or not - it is all speculation. Either way it isn't fair that some get to live long, full lives and others get taken young.

eastcoastcoug
Danbury, CT

In any organization, to have this many deaths in one year would bring about a big push for safety procedures and training. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no safety training and no safety procedures being put in place worldwide. It's time to make this happen and make safety a primary concern of mission presidents and the MTC's.

liberate
Sandy, UT

Not to get off topic but I'm surprised the death rate isn't higher actually given all the missionaries out on bicycles and the average ages of those missionaries. I served in Japan and my companions and I were often reckless on our bicycles, basically terrors through some of the neighborhoods, racing and occasionally crashing, both into each other and into other cars. Yes, it was irresponsible and I wish we hadn't done it, we're just fortunate nobody was hurt seriously, but it's hard to stop 19-21 (now 18 year olds) from trying to have fun, even if it's just good clean aggressive bicycle riding or perhaps trying to repair an old apartment roof. Perhaps there needs to be a little more emphasis on safety training if they haven't done so already.

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