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Published: Thursday, Oct. 10 2013 7:38 p.m. MDT

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BYR
West Bountiful, UT

Discrimination!

Bryan
Syracuse, UT

That's a pretty obvious announcement. The Constitution of this state specifically prohibits the recognition of same sex marriage.

dwidenhouse
Pleasant Grove, UT

Yes. It is discrimination. So are speed limits, minimum drinking age, and job interviews. Speed limits discriminate against those that want to go faster. The drinking age discriminates against young people that want to drink alcohol. Job interviews discriminate against those that don't have the proper education for the job. ALL LAWS DISCRIMINATE. However, discrimination is justified if there is a compelling interest. Young drivers can cause more accidents. Alcohol can impair vision and rational thought processes. Companies need qualified individuals to do the work or it won't get done. In this case, taxes are used to encourage heterosexual couples to marry and have children. Believe it or not, heterosexual couples are the best environment in which to raise children. Humans develop best within this type of family environment. This is not to say that homosexual couples cannot raise good children or cannot contribute to society. However, the heterosexual family is the best option. The state is simply encouraging the best option. Justified.

DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

And, Utah does not allow polygamists to file as a married couple. Nor people in love with farm animals.

Utah laws are good on these issues, it is federal law and those of some other states that are badly flawed.

It a same sex couple wants a break on their income tax, they are free to move to a state that grants it. Just as with people who do not want to pay income tax at all and move to other states for that tax policy. Freedom of choice is wonderful.

Utahwoody
Salt Lake City, UT

And the Utah war on equality continues.

Thriller
Saint George, UT

Where's the line? If the only marriage prerequisite is love, then it gets messy quickly.

Polygamy should then be legalized. That's just multiple people in love.

Incest too right? Two adults in love.

Why does there even need to be an age limit? You can't tell me a 17 year-old can't feel love until their 18th birthday and then suddenly it changes. There shouldn't be an age limit. If an 18 year-old man is in love with a 17 year-old girl, they should be able to get married too right? Same deal for a 20 year-old man and a 15 year-old, as long as they're in love. Same for a 30 year-old man with a 12 year-old, right? 12 year-olds can feel love, many girls can even have children by that age.

Heck, animals are capable of love, people should be able to marry their pets too right?

It's a slippery slope, somewhere we need to step in and decide what's best for society. We've known for a long time but now people are trying to change it. Be careful what you wish for, you may not like the results.

Schwa
South Jordan, UT

I look forward to the day when Utah is forced by law to get over itself.

mtf1953
Berkeley, CA

And how many years ago was it that Utah didn't allow its white residents to marry its black residents? Eventually Utah will once again be brought into the modern world kicking and screaming. It's only a matter of time.

WRK
Riverton, UT

Again I say, gays and lesbians are free to marry in the state of Utah, just so long as it is with someone of the opposite sex.

Jil
York, SC

Utah, thank you for standing your ground!!!

Ranch
Here, UT

U.S. Constitution - Article 4 Section 1

"Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State."

Utah's Amendment 3 violates the US Constitution. This is going to get intersting.

Ranch
Here, UT

@dwidenhouse;

Speed limits aren't discriminatory because they apply to ALL drivers equally. Drinking ages aren't discriminatory because when the children reach adulthood they CAN start drinking if they want, and they apply to ALL minors, not just a subset of minors.

If you're going make comparisons, the least you could do is try to make legitimate comparisons.

@DN Subscriber 2;

Polygamists are able to file jointly with their LEGAL spouse. Gays who are married in states where it is legal, are just as legally married as you and your spouse, and a polygamist and his first wife.

cuscoln
Santa Fe, NM

Since the Utah tax form does not ask the sex of the person(s) filing the return, I'm not sure how this is supposed to be enforced.

wendell
provo, UT

This is simply not news to those of us who are in same-sex marriages living in Utah. I married my partner a few weeks back in California, and we were well aware that we would not be allowed to file joint state income tax returns. We really don't care about that however since we are able to file a joint federal return and receive many other federal benefits due to being married. The most important benefit to us is that my husband can now apply for a so-called Green Card and will no longer need to hope that he might be approved for an extension to his visa. We have been together for 4 years, are as happy as can possibly be, and we got married simply because we are in love, but I am grateful to a country that recognizes the validity of my marriage, even when the state of Utah does not. God Bless America.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

Well Mrs. Wendell, congratulations on your marriage to your husband. Are you going to be having children soon or will you wait to get pregnant? When you get pregnant I think that you will appreciate that people are standing up for giving special benefits for couples who have a good likelihood of having children. Raising children is a lot of work and it is only fair that the people who are sacrificing to bearing and raising the next generation of model citizens and taxpayers should get a little help from all the rest of us who will benefit.

wendell
provo, UT

@WRK

Since you seem to be so eager for gay people to marry straight ones, I have some gay friends who want to get married. Would you be opposed to them marrying your daughter?

Contrariusier
mid-state, TN

@dwidenhouse --

"So are speed limits, minimum drinking age, and job interviews."

Nope.

I am constantly amazed at the number of people who don't understand the legal concept of discrimination.

Here's one legal definition: "In Constitutional Law, the grant by statute of particular privileges to a class arbitrarily designated from a sizable number of persons, where no reasonable distinction exists between the favored and disfavored classes."

Speed limits, etc., are not discriminatory because: 1. they do not distinguish one class of people **arbitrarily**; and 2. there is a **reasonable distinction** between the favored (law-abiding) and disfavored (non-law-abiding) classes.

In contrast, denying gay marriage does distinguish arbitrarily, since there is no reasonable reason for denying gay people their right to marry. Therefore it is discrimination in the legal sense.

"Believe it or not, heterosexual couples are the best environment in which to raise children. "

Believe it or not, 1. all the professional groups of child development experts in this country disagree with you; and 2. child rearing is a red herring anyway, since people can raise children with or without marriage.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Why doesn't DN carry any life stories about our LDS gay brothers and sisters? Or perhaps, a story about a family like the Montgomery's from Bakersfield CA? There remains much ignorance among LDS church members and DN readers such that we ought to do a better job of educating.

Didn't Christ teach us to leave the 99 and reach out to the 1? In contrast, our church leaders are shielded from the 1, and surrounded by the adoring 99 wherever they go.

wendell
provo, UT

@Tekakaromatagi
Thank you for writing, and I'm not sure if referring to me as Mrs. Wendell was a mistake or an attempt to be funny. I am a happily married man who happens to have the most wonderful husband on the earth. To answer your question, I am not positive if we are going to have (adopt) children or not. I already have 5 children, but my husband does not and he would really like to. If we do decide to, we will probably go to an orphanage in Latin America and adopt a couple of 3-6 year old boys in order to give them a better life here in America.

Ace
Farmington, UT

Ranch: This will get interesting, but not because of the Full Faith and Credit Clause. While states do have to respect each other's laws, you have to remember that each state only has jurisdiction over its own territory. Example: Utah has outlawed gambling. But that Nevada casinos have to refuse service to Utah residents under the Full Faith and Credit clause. Utah's laws extend only as far as its own borders (and the same applies to other states).

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