""Mark", have you any proof that he doesn't apply its
principles?"So, new to Utah, you want me to prove a negative?
But I'll take from your response that no you don't have any proof he
follows it, other then Sean Hannity told you he does. So you are just making
unfounded accusations. Well, yeah, nothing surprising about that: a conservative
making unfounded accusations. Imagine that.
Lee has my full Independent support- he and very few others are attacking the
biggest problem we face these days... govt over spending and the deflation of
our dollar, the most egregious hidden tax imaginable. It is sad so many
conservatives cannot recognize progressive propaganda when they see it, blinded
by endless lies and deception from their Republican rino leadership.
I did not vote for Mike Lee and will not ever vote for him.
So many people with a complete lack of education in Utah. Lee a "hero"
PLEASE! Wake up Sheep! Live outside planet Utah for sometime & 2 years in
Brazil or elsewhere does not count. Actually live, work, pay bills, see how
other States work outside the bubble which is Utah!
The media and the willing Republicans who go along with the attempt to blame the
government shutdown on Tea Party representatives are taking the American public
for idiots who don't see the truth. Obama won't compromise and is
willing to allow the government to shut down to make his point and protect his
pet program. The Republicans have offered to keep the government running while
working out a compromise over Obamacare, going so far as to fully fund Obamacare
as long as the individual mandate is delayed for a year and Congress must live
by the same requirements as everybody else. The side without logic, history and
facts on their side is constantly trying to change the subject. Senator Lee and
others helped to highlight the problems of Obamacare and to point out how
damaging it will be to our liberties and to our economy. I salute him for his
bravery. How about the polls that say most Americans hate Obamacare and that
Obama himself is at his all-time low in popularity, even lower than George W.
Bush? And Obama has the media on his side!
O.K. I figured it out,the republican party is forced to destroy itself (used to
be one) because it embraced the tea party, which proved to be an out of control
virulent cancer, with no regard for rules,fair play,or manners. To save
the country the gop are super patriots,trying to rectify a tragic mistake!
"Mark", have you any proof that he doesn't apply its principles?
Have you read Alinsky's rules for radicals?
What happened to the Republican party? When I was younger I could often make the
case that they delivered a decent dose of what appeared to be competence and, on
some special occasions, compassion. Many of them were articulate and you never
heard anything beyond a certain threshold of paranoia. When I compare them to
our current group I'm astonished at how much these things have changed. Our
government has a siege mentality today but I struggle to see how Obama or any of
his left-wing friends are delivering the terrible degree of villain such
paranoia needs. It's one thing to "appease Hitler," a very strange
and irrelevant comparison my conservative friends sometimes give me, but quite
another to cooperate with a president who hasn't done anything that unusual
for a president so far. If they want to limit government or executive power
there are plenty of items from the previous administration to consider, too,
that seem more invasive by far than any health care law could be (unless you
actually believe in "death panels" and implanted "microchips"
(my condolences for the psychological stress you endure if you do)).
Dear Senator Lee,You don't own the exclusive right to interpret the
Constitution, government theory, monetary policy, or reality. There is a
difference between taking a stand and being unteachable, an immovable blockage.
Your constituents, the people, gave you a tremendous opportunity to work for
them at the highest levels of government. You represent all of them, including
those who don't agree with you on these matters. If you are unwilling to
give an ear to those who actually give you your power then you no longer deserve
it. If you can't hear them you aren't trying hard enough to find them.
History should teach all of us that we're never more than a moment away
from ruining our greatest blessings in life. Humility, including intellectual
humility, is a must given these considerations and in your position. Humility
tempered the certainty of most of the founding fathers you claim to revere.
"Rules for radicals which Obama follows . . . "So New to
Utah, do you have any proof that that is true? I mean other then the fact that
that is what Sean Hannity tells you?
Barack Obama and Harry Reid shut down the government. They calculated that it
would benefit the Democrat party.Rules for radicals which Obama follows suggests
demonize your opponent don't allow them to be human.Boehner,tea party were
the targets and the mainstream media have been doing their job. Dan Jones
(democrat talking points) poll, the RINO Doug Wright give me a liberal talking
point and I'll promote it are the ones out of touch. Mike Lee has seen the
ruthless side of Obama and Reid and didn't flinch, that is
courage.Democrats and liberals control the levers of the newsmedia and Utah has
an alert enough population to cut through the fog. Mike Lee funded the
government and didn't want a shutdown, he wanted compromise with Obama and
Reid on Obamacare the most partisan bill in decades to takeover 18% of our
economy. It is worth a fight because the real partisans and ruthless politicians
are the Democrats, they shut down the government. They need to compromise and
Obama needs to lead in cutting a deal.
In a world where politicians are always more concerned about following the
popular sentiments of the moment; it is refreshing to have a Senator like Mike
Lee who stnds for principles! It is the constant compromise of good sound
economic principles that has got us in the mess we are in. As liberals continue
to grow the size of government to pay for the constituents who want to live off
of the hard working people of this country; we are banrupting our country. Both
medicare and medicaid are bankrupt. Social security will be bankrupt soon too. I
guess since the Federal governemnt is doing such a great job managing these
programs we should entrust them with our health care too??? Social security is
being managed as a ponzi scheme. If we cannot trust the federal governemnt with
money that should be held in trust for our retirement; then we need some drastic
changes. I appreciate Mike Lee being one of the few people in this country to
fight the good fight. Instead of beating him up for facing tough issues we
should applaud him! Thanks Mike for standing up for us!
Defeat lee in 2016.
Why is Lee being blamed for the shutdown in these polls? He is in the Senate,
as part of the minority party, he's been actively trying to get the Senate
to pass any of the various CR's sent up by the House, but the Majority lead
by Sen Reid continues to refuse to fund the government. The House is standing
firm on changing the ACA, the Senate has shut the government down by refusing to
fund anything unless everything is funded.Go Sen Lee, I was not
called on this Poll, you have my support.
To those posters who like to remind us who Lee's father is. Bob Bennett
is a grandson of President Heber J Grant. You point is meaningless.
Obama's approval rating 37%. Congress, according to one news source 5%.
On the one hand,, Sen. Lee is right not to be interested in poll results, since
you can make them say whatever you want them to say by how you word the
questions. On the other hand, he's making a mistake by appearing to be
unwilling to defend his position.
Mike Lee is an ideologue.And the only thing worse than an
ideologue... is an ideologue in office!
This is just more of little Mikey's temper tantrum. "I will only
discuss what I want to discuss. Nothing else." Take your ball and go home,
Mikey. Or grow up and represent all of your consituents in Utah.
I think Senator Lee and Senator Cruz both got their messages across to the
American people. Now, let's please make some compromises and help heal the
badly damaged GOP and Dem parties. We are all hurting, at this point.
Lee isn't the only Utah representative who architected the shutdown. Rob
Bishop was one of the 80 congressmen who petitioned Boehner to shut down the
government. I shouldn't have to go out to the New Yorker magazine to find
out that information.
The next Senate election cannot come soon enough. I can't wait for Lee to
go. He's an embarrassment to Utah and the nation. Wish I could knock on his
door to tell him this myself...oh wait. Can't do that. His house was
foreclosed on. Such a wizard of finance!
Mike Lee should talk about them and say that he was elected to make very
difficult, yet necessary choices to safeguard and even restore more of our
liberties from an ever-encroaching federal government.I support his
leadership on bills and initiatives to reduce our federal budget and federal
programs.I don't support his not talking to DNews or other
outlets about the polls.
to bandersen yesterday night... "thank you senator Lee. the fact
that he has stirred up so much **animosity** is a great sign that he is doing
what is right,"But, isn't **contention** of the Devil? If
only I could recall the source of that wisdom?
MkithpenSandy, UT"People of Utah Senator Lee will
negotiate when appropriate and when there are terms from both sides that
encourage negotiations."You hit the nail on the head. I am
asking Lee to negotiate. Offer some terms. Govern! But he isn't doing that.
Right now all he is doing is stomping his foot and saying listen to me.
I'm glad Sen. Mike Lee is doing what he was elected to do rather than
caving to the media and establishment republicans. It's ridiculous to see
all the weak knees that people have once the media and progressives start
@Texas Gal"Someone has to put an end to the insane nonsense
going on in Washington when it comes to spending money. I hate to break it to
them but there is a limited amount out there & you can't keep spending
like there's an eternal spring."More right-wing rhetoric.
It is tiring to read CUT, CUT, CUT with nothing specific that you want cut. It
didn't work in the last election, and it won't work in upcoming
elections. How about you give an actual list of what to cut and how much money
it will save the country. As much as I didn't like Rep. Ryan's plan,
at least he put together a plan. The rest of the right-wing deals in
bumper-sticker, talking point politics and have nothing concrete or original to
Someone has to put an end to the insane nonsense going on in Washington when it
comes to spending money. I hate to break it to them but there is a limited
amount out there & you can't keep spending like there's an eternal
spring.Thank you JMT (Springville) & DRay (Roy) for trying to help the
public better understand the truth.
Stick to your guns Senator Lee - I like the tenacity you use in your issue.
Hopefully, someday these Democrats and also wishy washy Republicans will open
their eyes and really see what is good for our Country and not for their
pockets. What a shame - such self-righteous citizens.
He has nothing to worry about, you guys wont vote him out of office because
he's safe with the caucus system, so when he shows up on the ballot next to
a guy/gal with a "D" by their name, you wont think twice to re-elect a
guy who has no business representing the State of Utah the Senate.
29% approval rating for Republicans in a Gallup poll, 24% in an NBC poll, both
are the lowest scores ever recorded. This shutdown is awfully stupid, but if
Republicans are going to shoot themselves in the foot, I guess that's one
Soon half your paycheck will be going to substandard Obamacare health care. Hope your proud.
Remember what happened to Newt Gingrich's power play and his foibles. Even
though this President is not the best President the Court and Legislative Powers
have power also and influence on him, even though he may get control of those
powers. Senator Lee took power through an underhanded method and the powerful
even though introvert Robert Bennett lost his seat in an instant due to the
powerful lobbyists of the Freedom Works. Senator Hatch was able to beat that
machine of outside money and influence. Hopefully, the GOP in Utah
will learn that the minority few can and has controlled their party for more
than 4 years. This was a gradual ascent and that is where we lose through
non-action of everyday citizens that should be involved in politics.Senator Hatch had the same Freedom Works group against him for 2 years prior
to the election. Sometimes people use the name "Freedom" to an extreme
purpose and opposite of what should really be. Mitt Romney had that
influence from the Tea Party that really did in the GOP during the last
election. We may not like Obamacare but the processes of the elected government
officials passed and signed it.
"Halved paychecks force the furloughed to slash expenses and take loans,
second jobs", in the Washington Post today.This is what you
voted for Lee supporters. Hope you're proud.
It's a new day. The GOP House appears to be caving.One more time we
will be allowed to spend more than we have and print funny money to cover for
it.But the stock market loves it.Perhaps one day we will look back
and wish the GOP had stood firm...and wish we had listened to Mike Lee.
Ahhhhhhhh....the intoxicating brew of Washington power! It has the tendency of
throwing common sense out the window!
MGBSaint George, UTMike Lee did not take an oath of office to listen
to his constituents. Many of them are too uminformed or too supportive of
the current socialism in this country. So Mikes constituents are too
stupid to be heard, because Mike know better than you bumpkins.This is
your defense, good luck in future elections, is your campaign slogan gunna be
"Elect me, cause your Stupid!"
People of Utah Senator Lee will negotiate when appropriate and when there are
terms from both sides that encourage negotiations. As of yet, the Dems have not
put anything on the table to negotiate and their position has been we will only
talk after we get 100% of what we want. That's not going into the process
with an open minded game plan. We need to stand behind the Senator and trust in
his logic and intelligence to help bring a sensible solution to this problem.
Again, remember it was the Obama administration with Harry and Nancy that pushed
through the Obamanable Care Act without allowing time for it to be studied by
members of the House or Senate. Senator Lee forget the polls as you have and
fight on, we stand with you!
Mike Lee is fast becoming one of the many reasons that Hillary will be our next
Mike Lee did not take an oath of office to listen to his constituents. Many of
them are too uminformed or too supportive of the current socialism in this
country. He took and oath of office to preserve, protect and defend the
Constitution of the United States at all costs against all enemies both foreign
and domestic. And that is what he is doing.
I didn`t vote for this guy. Too bad he isn`t up for re-election so he could be
voted out.Hard headed as they come!
Time for Lee to resign. Those supporting him, you need to leave Utah
and spend some time in Washington DC to understand who you're trying to
push into unemployment and what their role is in this great country. I'm
confident the majority of you would would get educated pretty quick. Getting
pretty tired of the high level of ignorance exerted from Utah. I'm
Republican and I live in Utah County.
This man was elected and he choses not to listen to the people who elected him.
I am sickof his unrealistic views and embarrassing poses. In the future I
would vote for anyone besides him. We certainly need to get him out of
Washington. The world is laughing at us...and I don'tblame them.
Obama Health care is LAW. It is in effect. The most logical course is to see
asit develops how we can eliminate the parts that don't work and make
other parts better. At leastnow a healthcare instrument is in place and
it can be adjusted and amended. My gosh Mike Lee,get over it and move on
and try to do something grown up and constructive for the country and thestate of Utah.
After reading a lot of this stuff from you big time supporters of Obama, I
remind you, your guy is not exactly winning the popularity polls now either.
37%. But of course those are skewed and I'm sure Obama is not reading
It appears that Senator Lee pays as uch attention to the public rating his job
performance as he did to the obligation to make his home mortage payments
I see a trend.I was frustrated when Bennet was eliminated in the
caucus and most Republicans had no say in who should represent the party by
being able to vote in primaries.It looks like Lee is not interested
in what the majority of republicans feel. He was afraid of the majority then and
he is afraid of it now, shown by the fact that he doesn't what to address
Q: Why did House Republicans refuse to negotiate with Senate Democrats for
months before the shutdown?A: They wanted to use the threat of
shutdown as leverage.How does a legislating minority get rid of laws
one doesn't agree with according to established procedures of governance?
A. Shutdown the govt, refuse to raise the debt ceiling, until the
other 2 legislating bodies succomb to your demands, ORB. Campagin against
the law, win a majority in executive and legislature branches and repeal the
law. What hypocrites Republicans are who claim they are
"following" the Constitution.
@gramma bOrem, UTI would want to look very carefully at every
question asked, and the way it was asked.8:32 a.m. Oct. 11, 2013========= Ok then - read this carefully and then answer either Y/N
:Would you support Mike Lee's childish tactics to circumvent
and trample the United States Constitution by giving up your Social Security and
Medicare checks until Mike Lee gets HIS way?Yes or No?
Freedom Works is a misnomer as it is an outside of Utah organization that used
high level advertising and propaganda to get it's candidates elected
through tactics that subverted Utah's caucus system. The GOP did not have
a good process for validating who members of the caucus were and many precinct
areas were flooded by people we never saw before and who became delegates. The
next time it was better but the first session was devastating for Senator
Bennett who had the carpet pulled from underneath him.Our
legislators have built that type of process over the years and some don't
represent Utahns ideals and beliefs for political purposes. Freedom Works has
an agenda that thwarts freedom even though it is in their name.
@U-tarIf you think KSL is liberal, you're living under a rock.
Even the so-called "liberal" media in Utah is pretty conservative by
Romney lost because he went along with the tea party instead of telling them
that the plan to shut down the government was a terrible plan. At least he
recognized the shutdown was bad after the election before Senator Lee
shut'er down and ruined the Republican party. Google the shutdown, it is
all media except Hannity and Beck that universally recognize the consequences of
the tea party tantrum.
I can't turn on a T.V or radio without seeing or hearing Mike Lee over the
past few weeks on the national AM radio shows, FoxNews, and other media.And yet, He refuses to be interviewed by KSL, the Deseret News,
BYU or other local programs covering his own constituents.Right
here, on his home field, by his own kind.That SHOULD be setting off
some major alarms about right now...
Considering the way most of the media have been covering for Obama, and
demonizing conservatives, the poll results are not surprising. Furthermore, Dan
Jones polls are usually deliberately skewed Left. I wouldn't trust them.
I would want to look very carefully at every question asked, and the way it was
Lets see… Lee as an attorney fights to get hotter nuclear waste into Utah
by litigation while the company he represents lies about what's in the
(mixed) barrels.Lee Short sells a home he couldn't afford in an
act of fiscal responsibility.Lee shuts down the government, which he
said he would do, and then lying again says "I said no such thing."Refuses to speak with anyone but the fox echo chamber, and then sends a
cowardly, angry little man to speak for him.I can see why folks
think he's good for Utah?People you can deny reality all you
like, but it won't help you, neither will Mr. lee, who has never cared
about this state, just his inflated ego.
"100 to 1"? Make that 100 to 2. Sen. Lee, please read the e-mail I just
The ACA is already way over budget and it's not even halfway launched yet.
The fed has spent 6X what was budgeted on the website, 5X on the state exchanges
and these both of these have had major glitches. The law is clearly not ready to
be implimented if it should be implimented at all. This isn't just a fight
over the ACA it's about our tax dollars being flushed down the toliet that
can never be recovered!
"If the public is so opposed to the ACA then why did Romney lose?"SimpleIf President Obama has a son, he would look like me.
"If the public is so opposed to the ACA then why did Romney lose?"SimpleThe ACA is Romney's plan.
The consistent "talk show" nonsense that states that Obama shut down the
government is not accurate. Let me explain: If you have something worth $10,000
and some one offers you $100, would you accept it? The ploy presented by the
Tea Party was to offer something they knew would not be acceptable, and then
attempt to blame the President for not accepting the offer. Don't be
naive. This is a Tea Party ploy, and it hooked Utah's Congressional
Delegation into a fight they can't win. The political I.Q points for the
Utah Delegation is not very high. Attempting to call it "principle"
when it is nothing short of foolish, naive, decision making. Is it possible that
a more sophisticated political strategy hooked the Republicans by a Democratic
ploy that insnares Republican House of Representative members - who are now
vulnerable in the Midterm election? Inexperienced, and naive, the Utah
Congressional Delegation is being led around by the nose.
More proof that Lee is nothing but an extremist ideologue who is disconnected
from both reality and from the majority of his constituents. Too bad it's
not possible to recall a Senator.
Hey folks, Senator Lee didn't shut down the government. He is not in a
position to do so. One senator vote of a hundred won't do it. It has to be
the leader of the senate, the guy who decides what bills get voted on. That
would be Reid. I think Utah voters are smart enough to realize this.
Lee stands for what is right, but he is not dictating the discourse.
He never voted to defund the ACA. That was the House, and he is in the Senate.
All he could offer was his moral support to the House for doing the
right thing, and moral support during Ted Cruz's discussion of the ACA,
which he did admirably. He was not my pick for senator last
election, but he sure will be for the next one!
So in reading some of these comments you would think that the lesson is "If
you don't agree with what I say, I'll call you a lefty. If the poll
isn't favorable, ignore it or say it's flawed."
@utahprez"SCOTUS is not infallible."You're
right. They upheld Citizens United. I guess you disagree with them
also on cases like Brown vs. Board of Education, Plessy vs. Ferguson, Mapp vs.
Ohio, US Gov't vs. Nixon. Just because you don't like the
SCOTUS ruling, doesn't mean it is wrong. It is only wrong in YOUR eyes.
Neil TRomney lost due to a number of factors, the major one being he
did not even get out the Republican vote that McCain did in 2008, if you can
believe that. Had he, he might well have won the Presidency, as Obama got
several million less votes in '12 than he did in 08. I still wonder if a
good portion of the non Romney vote came from the evangelical Christian
community that just couldn't bring themselves to vote for a dreaded Mormon.
Who knows. Anyway, it's over and Obama is now at 37% approval. Better
him screwing up the country than a Republican.
Lee has nothing to worry about. He should continue to do the right thing as he
sees it. To those of you who say he should do what the people want, so should
Obama. And Obamacare is not what the majority of the people want. As for his
re-election, you really believe a Democrat will be elected to the Senate in
Utah? His only problem would be a primary fight. Bennett again anyone?
Lee can dish it out, but he can't take it. Unbelievable. What a weak
"leader."And for you folks who say you weren't called,
or that KSL and BYU are liberal, get a reality check. You are in fantasy land.
Utahns are a pragmatic lot, and many of us are tired of the bullys from the far
right. Being conservative does not mean being doctrinaire and ideological.
Most of us have our feet firmly planted on the ground, and our patience is
running out with the right wing extremist.
The ACA has such broad support that it was passed without a single Republican
vote and pushed through Congress on a process never used before for a bill like
this. It was also passed in the Senate by one vote supplied by either an
ex-comedian who "won" a state-wide fraudulent election by a little over
300 votes in a recount where the Republican originally led by around 200 or a
Massachusetts appointed Senator who was only able to be appointed due to that
state's government specifically changing the rules that they had put in
place specifically to keep Mitt Romney from making appointments during his term.
That Senator voted for Obamacare in December after losing the election to Scott
Brown in the prior November. That is not the pedigree of a popular law.
@CHS85 - SCOTUS is not infallible. Only part of the law was upheld and it was
done so because Roberts construed the mandate as a tax - in direct opposition to
what the administration was arguing. If it is a tax, then the ACA violated the
origination clause of the Constitution because it originated in the Senate, not
the House. This aspect is not over yet, it will be brought back to the Supreme
Court, it is not "settled law".
@ute fan 11" Anybody who thinks that the ACA is constitutional
does not understand the constitution."So you're telling us
all that you know more than Chief Justice Roberts? His credentials
are pretty strong, and he is definitely a conservative, appointed by a
Republican president.What exactly are your credentials?
If you don't like the results, it must be the poll.
Don't believe everything you read in the polls. A lot depends on who you
poll and how the questions are worded. I am a 70 year old Independent and have
never ever been polled I live in a rural area. I've been called to jury
duty a few times, but never polled. Go figure. If you poll people
in the big cities, you are going to get a leftist view and if you poll people in
the country or rural areas, you are going to get a rightist view. Polls can
also be made to work in your favor simply by how you ask the questions.
"100 to 1" in favor of the senator's effort? The official,
professional polls may not be totally accurate, but they're probably a
little more reliable than the statement "100-to-1 in favor." Let's
get real here. Lee now says he never intended to shut the government
down....but in his July speech to CPAC, he said he was WILLING to shut it down
over the issue. We need to hold his feet to the fire, here, and not allow him
to walk his words back.
If the public is so opposed to the ACA then why did Romney lose?
This is not a question about the quality or the probity of the "polls".
It is about Mike Lee refusing to answer questions from his constituents. The
major fear the Republicans have over Obamacare is that IT MAY WORK. And that is
what they don't want to happen. They foresee a Democrat Party domination in
10/15 years just like the domination of the Democrats following the New Deal,
Social Security and Medicare. Couple that with the emerging Latino population
the voter ranks don't look good for the Republicans down the road.The
Republicans never have capitalized on Lincoln being a "Republican"
because both parties pivoted on National Issues and the Democrats seized the
high ground on social issues. Over 50 % of our present children 1-5 years of age
are from minority families. Wait 15 years until they grow up and vote.You sleep
in the bed you make!!
Mike Lee is doing what he said he would do, and that is upholding the
constitution. Anybody who thinks that the ACA is constitutional does not
understand the constitution. The ACA was written in the legislative branch as
it should, but then was changed by the judicial branch and then changed hundreds
of times by the executive branch. It is only the power of the Legislative
branch to write laws. I commend Mike Lee for refusing to fund an
unconstitutional bill. For everyone else, you can argue that you do not care
for the constitution, or that you don't care if Mike Lee is in the defense
The poll will not effect anyone who supported the tea party tantrum. They will
just spin a new conspiracy theory. That is easier that getting actual votes.
"Just to remind you, Senator Lee won his election also, here in Utah, after
ousting the liberal Bob Bennett."Ummm, if Utah actually had a
real primary, then perhaps he would have - but.....no. The public in Utah never
had the chance to choose between the two. You have to love those
that if the poll doesn't confirm your opinion.... that the poll must be
biased and wrong. How inwardly focused we have become to believe that our own
views are the only possible views others might have. It just blows me away how
much denial people can be in.These same people claiming the polls
are wrong are also the same ones who guaranteed us a Romney win. We saw how
that turned out.
Lee's arrogance obviously has been adopted by his staff. Lee's
unwillingness to discuss his constituents' views is ample evidence that he
supports only his own agenda, the rest of us be hanged!
And as far as the "likes" of Obamacare, I can understand the support
from people who have pre-existing conditions and could not get insurance - but
the fact is that when an "insurance" plan cannot set restrictions to
create a pool of people with like risks, it ceases to become insurance and
becomes a federally funded entitlement pool. Calling it "insurance" is
just a way to ignore that it is forced collectivism. If you support that, fine -
but realize that you aren't supporting insurance or healthcare, you are
asking taxpayers and other rate payers to pay for your healthcare. If this was
the sole objective of Obamacare, there is a much less burdensome way to fund and
administer it than disrupting the entire economy for a very small percentage of
Americans. Look at it honestly, it isn't about "I've got mine, who
cares about you", it is about "You have yours, now I want some of
I absolutely disagree with Senator Lee. I think he's wreckless with our
Country's well being. His ego drives his motives. I email him every day
and remind him that he represents me too. Although I'm a
'minority' when it comes to Utah politics, I do live here and deserve
to be heard. I understand that I'm usuall going to loose when it comes to
Senator Lee, but it seems as though I'm in the majority on this issue, and
I find myself loosing again?Senator Lee, You should be concerned
with these polls. Why, because we're your constituents. You represent us,
not your ego.
Im on mikes side. The polls are flawed.
Mike Lee is following a path that will give Obama a Democratic House of
Representatives. Remember there is a Midterm Election. The Nation doesn't
support closing the Government and the Country doesn't support blocking the
debt ceiling. The Senator's position on these two problems is going to
create a Democratic House of Representatives. With Obama in the Whitehouse, a
Democratic Senate, with a newly created Democratic House of Representatives,
what will happen to President Obama's agenda? WIll gun control legislation
get passed? You know the answer. All I can say is, Mike Lee's silly
positions have facilitated an Obama agenda. This short sighted politics is the
product of an inexperienced Senator.
This poll contains some strange metrics - the original poll shows that Obama has
a 68% disapproval with only 1% answering "don't know", yet only 6%
blame Democrats for the shutdown? Reid is at 55% disapproval but Mathewson has
a 55% approval - I don't trust any poll where I can't see the internal
data - this poll looks to me as if it way over-sampled Democrats.
Senator Lee does have a calling tree alerting his ardent supporters to write in
when he is criticized. He does not want to face the buzz saw he started. He
should resign as a failure.
The pollsters did not call me either. Oh, wait a minute, I forgot that sample
polling is based on a representative sample of a specific population. This is
the same sample polling done by KSL and BYU during every election that has
proven accurate at predicting the winners of elections time and time again. I
have never been asked by those polls either and somehow they manage to be
accurate even without having my input. Senator Lee ignores those polls to his
own detriment. Having said that, I like a Senator who is not blown about by
every poll that is taken. In this case, I disagree with Senator Lee's
stance and will have the opportunity to share that disagreement when he is next
up for election.
Even I can see how much money insurance will cost if they are forced to cover
every one at the same cost. It's about Risk.
one of the delusional forms of denial that many radical political groups use is
rhetoric to convince themselves that their numbers are far larger than they
really are... and to dismiss reality that shows otherwise.
Dansimp, the feds are not the Constitution. We need Constitutional law to
protect us from oversized and aggressive governments, but not this fabricated,
large cancerous growth called the federal bureaucracy, who waste the labors of
the people under the pretense of taking care of them, subsidizing irresponsible
people who make poor choices, just to get their vote to stay in power. And
power is the only thing many of these federal officials are after, and not the
freedom, rights, and welfare of the people. Otherwise, elected officials
wouldn't be usurping the rights of the people given to the people by our
For many if this was 1941 all over again we'd be speaking German now.
Utah, what's going wrong?
He is just such a bad person who is absolutely on the wrong side of history.These comments about polls being flawed remind me of the presidential
election: there were a few people who chose not to see reality while the
majority of polls were proven to be accurate. Those who chose not to believe
reality were shocked by the outcome of the election.The fact is, the polls
are correct, the majority of Utahns do not like what Lee is doing.
Mike Lee is the sideshow Utah never bargained for. His biggest accomplishment in
the Senate has been to draw a lot of attention to himself. Now he won't
even talk about the fact that he's actively and very visibly championing a
position that's at odds with what the majority of his constituents support.
This is not what representative government is supposed to be about.
Just to remind you, Senator Lee won his election also, here in Utah, after
ousting the liberal Bob Bennett. I didn't need a poll to tell me Romney
would loose, he isn't a true conservative, just like Bennett and Hatch. You
can love Barry all you want, but there are those of us who will never admire a
man like him, never!
Way to go, Mike! Keep up the good work!There are efforts here at
home to kick you out of office. We need look no further than our local media,
including DesNews and KSL. Doug Wright seems to have only one agenda right now
and that is to bring you down. He tried the same trick with Jason
Chaffetz but lost. Let's hope he loses here too. I'm tired of the
big-government, big-spending politicians, regardless of party. And we all ought
to be concerned about the progressives and their successful efforts to date in
bringing the people increasingly into servitude. I'm glad we
voted progressive Bob Bennett out. And I'm so sorry that I voted to keep
Orrin Hatch in office. Others warned me, and I didn't listen. The rest of us need to make sure that we praise you in our conversations with
friends, family, coworkers.
U-tar, ever consider they might be reporting actual facts and you just
don't want to believ it? Ignoring the polls was exactly why so many on the
right were blindsided by Obama's win in 2012. Plenty of polls got it right
to the point that Nate Silver was able to predict the results with amazing
Don't fall of your chair DanO, I read and watch plenty of news, and KSL is
not conservative. I live here in this state and endure it every day. Perhaps
your liberal point of view reflects the liberal state of La La land you live in
on the Left coast. The liberal media didn't happen over night, it has been
creeping in over many years. Perhaps too many people from your state moving in.
The federal government is not shut down, every one will get paid, the debt will
go up, government will expand, Obama care is here, everything you want is
comming, so be happy. I still admire Senator Lee
Mike Lee is doing exactly what he said he would do when we elected him. I will
run to the polls to vote for him and for anyone else with his integrity,
fortitude, and values.If an individual reaches his/her credit limit
and is told they can no longer borrow, should they complain and try to get their
credit limit raised or should they change their lifestyle and try to live within
their means? If over 50% of Utahans think that we will ever be able to pay back
the unimaginable debt our oversized government has accumulated without painful
change then we really are in trouble. Interest keeps growing 24/7,
17 Trillion + today what a year from now? Eventually the day of reckoning
comes, and it has to come. The only ones trying to turn this around are Senator
Lee and those few responsible elected officials like him.I
don't need to draw a picture of what is in our future without a drastic,
painful course change. All it takes is common sense and watching history repeat
I also think the des news has tipped left! Just look what professor at byu is
featured in the des news all the time. I don't listen to doug wright either
because I'm sick of the left tilt he always has.So S Sherwood I know
of his family history and know what a great legacy he has from his father. And as response to someone above - obamacare is a horrible health care system.
Just wait until we all know what we will have to pay, and we all will be
shocked. The thing cost 650 million for the program (6 times what they
originally said it would) on the internet and it's not working. Are
we really so stupid that we don't realize if you add 30 million people to
the health care system that it will be cheaper? And as a senior, I know that
they will have to make decisions about who will get help and who will take a
pill until they die. Death panels - you bet! Thank you Senator Lee, too
bad our other senator is no where to be heard/seen!
Sorry, U-tar, I'm laughing hysterically that anyone would think that
KSL/Deseret News is liberal. Also, you don't seem to understand how polls
work. It's no surprise so many comments here are clueless to how we got
where we are and deny the reality. ACA was a compromise passed by Congress,
affirmed by SCOTUS, and upheld by a majority of voters when Obama was reelected.
The continuing resolution passed by the Senate which continues the sequester is
actually under the levels that Paul Ryan's 2011 budget proposed. So, who
again isn't compromising?
I support Lee, and I am from S. Carolina. He can come here and be a senator
anytime. If Utahns are so stupid as to not support him they deserve what they
will get after him. His father was one of the brightest lawyers in this country
and a constitutional genius and his sone is in his mold. I pity Utahns for not
know this heritage (and they ballyhoo about genealogy and family) and its
importance to the nation. Perhaps on Monday nights instead of singing they need
to be reading something on economics and the constitution.
Go Senator Lee! DRay is exactly right. Everytime Obama and Reid said the
shutdown was going to cause a painful situation for agency X, Lee, Cruz, and
Rand Paul said they would provide a funding bill for that agency to keep
operating. Then Obama/Reid said no way showing their true colors. They
won't compromise and they're hoping it hurts Republicans when just the
opposite is happening. Great video on TheBlaze today at liberal Univ. of
Colorado showing students overwhelmingly blame the Democrats for the shutdown.
This poll is garbage.
I believe Senator Lee has mishandled this budget dispute. He is out of step
with most Utahns, including me, a former republican state delegate. Now he
refuses to comment about an LDS church sponsored schools poll to an LDS church
owned newspaper. Are these institutions to left leaning for Senator Lee? Who
does he represent? Please, govern and stop obstructing.
The pollsters didn't call me either, and to DanO, I hate to be the first
one to break it to you, KSL is liberal and so are a lot of folks at BYU. You see
it is like cancer, it spreads. The Doug Left show does it every day. Way to go
Mike Lee did not shut down the Government, Harry Reid and Pres. Obama did...why
oh why don't people get that? Even the Des News writers seem to be lost on
this...in the poll, was it made clear that Mike Lee wanted to fund all the
Government, except Obamacare? Of course those who will see some benefit from it
want it, but they don't care that it means everyone else has to bear their
burden, financially, and many others will suffer hardships because of this. It
is the unwillingness to stand on principle by those seeking,always seeding
Government assistance that got us into this mess, voting for a welfare state, to
the detriment of all in the long haul.
No thank you Senator Lee, doing more harm than good.
Senator Lee is a hero, standing up for the Constitution and Utah taxpayers. The
Republicans in the House has passed numerous bills to find the government and
end the shutdown, but Democrats Reid and Obama refuse to pass them unless they
get 100% of their demands.As for apocryphal stories about Utah
Republicans who could not get insurance suddenly being saved by Obamacare, I am
not buying that. Polls are little more than a self fulfilling
prophecy by the news media to validate if their propaganda has been effective
with the low information voters. Sadly, it has worked. But that does not make
it true, or good for the country.
The House and Senate were at an impasse on the night of Sept. 30. The
House's then-most-recent ploy for extracting Obamacare concessions from
Senate Democrats and the White House -- by eliminating health insurance
subsidies for Congress members and their staffs -- had been rejected by the
Senate. The 'clean' Senate spending bill was back in the House's
court.With less than two hours to midnight and shutdown, Speaker
John Boehner's latest plan emerged. House Republicans would
"insist" on their latest spending bill, including the anti-Obamacare
provision, and request a conference with the Senate to resolve the two
chambers' differences.Under normal House rules once that bill
had been rejected again by the Senate, then any member of the House could have
made a motion to vote on the Senate's bill. Such a motion would have been
what is called "privileged" and entitled to a vote of the full House.But the House Rules Committee voted the night of Sept. 30 to
change that rule for this specific bill. They added language dictating that any
motion "may be offered only by the majority Leader or his designee."
thank you senator Lee. the fact that he has stirred up so much animosity is a
great sign that he is doing what is right, rather than being a part of the
uniparty, the democratic and republican parties. How naive people are to think
that either of these parties represents the best of America. what an absolute
As a life-long Republican and Vietnam era veteran, I have had all of the
negative posturing from Sen. Lee that I can stand. I have worked for 40 years
with all levels of government and always found a way to come up with a solution
to the difficult conflicts that we frequently face throughout our nation. It
takes a broader view and a more enlightened attitude than that which the Senator
seems to possess. I expect some collaboration and some give and take in the
legislative process. Interestingly, our only Democratic representative, Jim
Matheson, seems to be working sincerely in that direction. Sen. Lee won't
get my vote the next election. Based on remarks from my southern Utah associates
(80% Republican), most of them won't either!
Oh my...and the dance of the weaklings has gotten us to the point of economic
peril. The dance of the strong will save us.This is the process as
it should be. Tough, hard-as-nails negotiations.What has taken place
for the past decade is simple. The Dems throw a fit, the media blames the GOP
and the GOP caves with sweat on their brow saying the just barely avoided
getting beat up worse. Sheesh! That is NOT how you negotiate. The
GOP has not been at the table for a decade. Now, they are because of the actions
of naive, freshman Senators Lee and Cruz. Both too inexperienced to know that
when the Dems and media call you names you MUST cave!!We the People
are about to get a fresh air of fiscal sanity. We will pay our debt, and we will
put some limits on debt growth (translation, Sequestration II) and overtime
America will be in a better financial position. And when this
happens we need to thank the two naive freshman who didn't know the rules,
broke them and forced the Dem President, Senate and Media to the negotiating
table.Not too bad!
I had a conversation yesterday with a very conservative Republican who said she
will not vote for Mike Lee again. She likes Obamacare, it turns out she has a 2
year old grand daughter with a health issue and her family could not get her
insured. Now they can get insurance for their daughter for the first time.
I've noticed with some Republicans that if it's good for them it must
be ok. Forget about what would be best for those in need. You know the old
I've got mine you're on your on mentality.I just hope the
majority of Utahans remember when Lee is up for reelection what a mess he and
his cohorts have made of our country.
The unfortunate thing about public opinion in this case is that it is totally
uninformed. It is Harry Reid and Obama who shut down the government by not
accepting the funding bill passed by the House which it is their constitutional
duty to do. All bills dealing with funding originate in the House. It does not
matter what the law is the House has the right to not fund it if they choose.
It is time now for Obama and Reid to compromise. I want Lee and others to have
courage not compromise. You do not compromise with evil.
To those criticizing the polls, do you really think KSL and BYU polls are going
to tilt left? Really?And yes, the House passes the budget, but it's
also passed by the Senate and then signed by the President, but that's not
what's at issue here. This is about paying the debts that have already been
appropriated. This is the House making good on paying the bills for what they
themselves already passed.
The point of the article is Mr. Lee will not talk about the polls. He should but
he won't, to his shame.
No one called me either. I can find 200 people in 20 minutes that support him
just in my neighborhood. These polls are a joke and do not come
close to the pulse of what's really happening.
Those Utahns that disagree with Senator Lee are the ones that do not understand
the Constitutional separation of powers and the power the founding fathers gave
the House of Representatives relative to the purse strings of the federal
government. Read Federalist Papers #9 by Alexander Hamilton. Sen. Lee is right
on target and needs to stand his ground. Just because a bunch of uninformed
Utahas do not agree with him does not make them right.
I 100% support everything Mike Lee did. I would also like to know who conducted
these polls and what counties the majority of those who responded came from. My
guess is most of the polling was done in Salt Lake and not Utah county....former
Rocky Anderson country.
I've been noticing a theme. Every time my Republican Congressman posts more
about how they "won't back down" 90% of the comments are his
constituents begging him to stop the games and to pass a clean CR. They're
ignored and often deleted. If they're not listening to their constituents,
who are they listening to?
I have made my living from tourism to Southern Utah's National Parks. It
hurts a little (financially) to have the federal government prohibit access to
these amazingly beautiful lands. It's another display of the fed's
arrogant attitude that only they know what's best for us. Thank you,
Senator Lee, for being principled in your fight to bring government back to the
Good for you Star Bright, most of us don't. Thats what a poll does, notice
it didn't say everyone disagreed with Sen. Lee. And Peter, I can
appreciate that you would like to go back to the articles of confederation, but
most of us know that a Federal Government is important. You have some great
people that agree with you, people like Patrick Henry, who hated the idea of the
Constitution, and refused to be a part of it and fought for it not to become the
law of the land, but, and here's the important part, he lost that fight.
Maybe even more importantly, if you really think that each State could in fact
stand on its own, you are truly, and sadly mistaken.
Good job Sen. Lee. Would that we could permanently shut down every dept in the
Fed Government except the dept of defense. The individual States can stand on
their own. We don't need the Feds to dictate how to run the states or our
I agree with him! No one called me!