Ok, fine. Marijuana is harmful, I get it. The real issue is ignored in this
opinion piece, however, which is: how should we deal with users? Is the
editorial board ok with current enforcement guidelines which contribute to the
US's infamous reputation as the world's leading "incarceration
nation?" The editors have let themselves off too easily with this
superficial bit of righteousness.
The only real problem you kid will ever have with marijuana will be getting
caught with it. Then the government can proceed to ruin their lives. Its
time to ask the tough question. Is the harm of war on drugs greater or less
than the harm of legalizing (decriminalizing) marijuana.I believe the harm
created by the war on drugs far outweighs the harm in legalization.The DMN
opinion expresses all these things that can happen when marijuana is legalized.
This is already happening, if marijuana remains illegal then we have stated we
like the status quo. We want our kids fined and marked for life, rather than
chastised by the parents. The war on drugs is a war on you and your kids and
their mistakes. We have filled our prisons, we have ruined lives.
I disagree with your opinion, but that's nothing new.
My observation of several friends and children of friends and two long term
users in my family mirror the old public service announcement - that
"Marijuana can make nothing happen to you too." The users tend to lack
significant motivation to better themselves.Yes, I am sure there are
exceptions. But that appears to be the trend. The stereotype exists for a
I think it's a question of where one person's rights end and another
person's rights begin.If you have someone move in next door who
decides he/she is going to sit on their porch every night and smoke marijuana to
the point that you have to close all your windows if you don't want the
second hand smoke coming into your house...how is that a good thing?
"It is addictive, it increases heart-attack risks, affects judgment and
motor ability, and is particularly brutal on cognitive abilities..."=== We are talking about "medical" marijuana here,
right?Because this entire article and it's ONLY argument was skewed
and based soley toward the "recreational" use.Name ONE drug
- legal or illegal - which isn't dangerous.ONEBTW -
number of deaths in Utah due to marijuana - ZERO per year.Number of deaths
in Utah due to prescription drug use - 537 per year.I look at the
facts and data [and even the Holy Ghost] to make my decisions, and leave
my emotions out of it.And the Medical use of Marijuana is one of
them I support.
Nancy Reagan got it right with her "Just Say No!" campaign. Teens need
to be taught how to resist peer pressure. Marijuana is even more harmful
mentally and socially than the opinion article expressed. I was a teen in the
sixties, and I could tell immediately when each of my friends used marijuana ...
and the effects never totally wore off. I would reduce the penalty
for its use to something less than a felony, and turn to a heavy fine instead of
prison. Take away their drivers license for a year afterwards because of the
loss of depth perception. Drug test them before restoring their license.We should divert "War on Drugs" funds to a media campaign that
would clearly show the devastation with a slogan "Wasted Lives = Living
Wasted." Give the parents the facts they need to exert their moral
authority in the lives of these kids. We need studies that focus on the effects
on mental health rather than physical health.
Open Minded Mormon,I will leave for another time the efficacy of
medical marijuana. But the reality in many states that have allowed medical
marijuana is almost no one is turned away (there is always a "reason" to
prescribe). So, it becomes de facto legalization and much of the use is
Re: "Its time to ask the tough question. Is the harm of war on drugs greater
or less than the harm of legalizing (decriminalizing) marijuana."You got the question exactly right. You got the answer exactly wrong.The primary harm to the war on drugs is inflicted by feckless, reckless
liberals who believe it's justifiable, even admirable, to flout the law, so
long as it's a law they disagree with.They grab pitchforks and
nooses when they hear of someone annoying a seal, defending themselves from
attack, or picking up an arrowhead. But they actively encourage violation of
drug, immigration, and sex laws, mocking anything that encourages moral
rectitude.Shameless liberal surrender has rendered the American war
on drugs a caricature of French army tactics.
Let's face it. What with the liberals winning most of the social issues
these days like same-sex marriage, abortion, deficit spending in the trillions,
food stamps for all, no cost health care for all (yeah right), affirmative
action, open immigration, anti Christian policies, no energy independence
policys, and any other PC issue out there, legalized pot will come to pass.
Maybe we should just let the left get high all they want, and then when they are
not looking, take back our country from the progressive left while they are
munching away on the Oreo cookies and watching John Stewart.
What's more harmful, using marijuana or being in prison? I'd say the latter. Face it, if we applied the same standard to alcohol
there would be millions of people in jail for possession of booze. Personally I
think there is a racist angle going on when Wall Street is known for it's
cocaine use but there are never any busts on Wall Street.This
"war" on drugs is a failed idea. The sooner we accept it, the sooner we
can actually improve our society.
I'm a libertarian, so I really don't care if Marijuana is legal or
not, I'm not going to use it, and people who ARE going to use it are going
to use it whether it's legal or not (just like with guns).I
think people should be free to make their own decisions (even bad decisions).
But they should pay the price for their decisions. If you smoke and lose your
job... that's your problem, it was your decision. If you smoke and crash
your car, that's your decision and you should pay the full price of your
decision. If you form a habit and can't function well without being in a
marijuana altered state, that's your problem. If you get comfortable with
it and the culture that surrounds it and you end up getting into something
stronger and get addicted... don't expect me or the government to pay for
your rehab or your life on the streets begging for money for your next fix.People should be responsible for their decisions (not me or the
Virtually the same arguments could be made about sugar.
The war on drugs (WOD) has been HIGHLY successful... for law enforcement
careers, penal institutions and career politicians. For everyone else, not so
airnaut Who attacked the Middle-East for cheaper oil? They say Bush
did.Who wants the finite "burn baby burn"? Not sure just what
that means, but the term was drill baby drill, said by Sarah Palin.Who wants renewable infinite energy sources? Everyone. Got any infinite
energy sources in mind? We're pretty far from that scientific
breakthrough. Hydrogen maybe in the future. Possible even some cold fusion
breakthroughs. In the meantime oil is the energy of the world. Can't fly
airplanes on solar power.
If, in fact, marijuana is harmful to people (which it arguably is not in any
way, shape, or form) then the DesNews should support legalization and regulation
of the drug. It is commonly understood that, at any given moment, it is far
easier for a high schooler in Utah to buy marijuana than to get alcohol. Which
substance is illegal and which is regulated? I can't tell you
how ironic it is to hear conservatives clamor against a natural substance and
then, with a straight face, turn around to fight against labeling GMOs.
To "Open Minded Mormon" this article is not talking about Medical
Marijuana. It is talking about the recreational use of it.There are
already several Federally approved and LEGAL forms of Marijuana and extracts
made from it. These already leagal drugs contain the known good substances
found in the plant, and reduce the damage caused by the bad portions of the
plant.To say that there are no deaths due to Marijuana is only a
half truth. Yes nobody has died from an overdose, but there are thousands that
have died as a result of the dumb things that they do while high.
Marijuana is to prescription drugs as alternative medicine is to mainstream
medicine. Enough said. Get out of the way!
RedShirtMIT: Letting Big pharm make it addicting and more expensive is not a
solution, it's anew problem.No Deaths, Not a half truth, I know
plenty of people who do stupid things with no drugs needed, circumstantial at
best.Look to Israel for the truth about this plant, not agenda
"...killings are related to sales, the business side of cultivation and
money." The money is in the business side of cultivation because it's
illegal. Anyway, one thing I've learned about pot smokers is that the best
you're going to achieve by keeping it illegal is the status quo. Your
conscience is assuaged, but it's a lie because anyone who wants pot will
I already stated my opinion as regards to medicinal use.So - you
just want to narrow it down to recreational users --- I always sleep
better at night knowing a cheeto eating, slurpee drinking, teenager is locked up
behind bars -- While the cocaine snuffing, Corporate Welfare,
Military Industrial Complex, Government Lobbying, WallStreet High-roller
Gadianton Billionaires are out free and clear.
It is difficult to prove that marijuana causes people to be losers. There is
correlation between using marijuana and being a loser, but it is just as likely,
and perhaps more so that being a loser will cause marijuana use rather than the
other way around. So if that's the case, it's probably not worth the
cost of the war on that particular drug.
To "Happy Valley Heretic" why legalize and make it easier for people to
get a drug that causes them to do stupid things? We already have enough deaths
due to the dumb things that alcohol fuels, do we really need to increase that
number with Marijuana?If you like, we can use the "gun
control" argument. Every year there are 10,000 deaths due to drunk driving.
Therefore we should ban alcohol. Since Marijuana is worse than alcohol, that
is an "assault drug" and should be totally banned."Big
Pharm" already has legal forms of marijuana used in the treatment of various
diseases. Why do we need to legalize smoking marijuana?
I love how this paper is all for freedom. They want freedom in everything.
Except for things that they don't agree with.I guess they only
believe in "freedom" in things they want.
Let's face it. America turned down prohibition. Alcohol-related problems
are a pernicious and costly problem for us. Cancer from smoking is still a
costly problem. Youth can get any illegal item, alcohol, cigarettes, etc. The
prosecution of any illegal act requires police, courts, attorneys, prisons, etc.
Will we save money by legalizing illegal acts? Does America have more sympathy
for those who break the law, than for the victims? Making marijuana legal may
reduce the crime load (no guarantees);but, social costs in human suffering and
hard cash will certainly increase.
Too many politicians believe in using the force of law to exact righteous
behavior. They seem to say, "Behold, here am I, elect me, I will be thy
state senator, and I will protect all mankind, that one soul shall not be
harmed, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine vote."Why single out pot? Let's ban double bacon cheese burgers, ice cream,
etc... Let's ban skydiving, guns, driving over 20mph, etc...Let's let people do as they wish as long as they don't objectively
harm others. Why is that so hard to accept?
In a nation where people who cannot or will not control their appetites and
passions, what should we expect but that many would tell us that marijuana
should be legalized. That's not surprising. Some want everyone else to
share in their misery. Others want to take advantage of people on
"dope". Those of us who know that mankind was created for great things
abhor the thought that some parts of society are bent on destroying themselves
and everyone who would listen to their demands.Marijuana is a drug.
It makes dopes out of those who use "dope". Those who sell it or provide
it should be given a life sentence at hard labor because they willingly destroy
the lives of those to whom they give or sell that "dope".
Every day on TV, there are a myriad of ads for various legal Big Pharma drugs.
Each 60 second ad typically has 20 seconds of actual ad and 40 seconds of
disclaimers about the potential side effects. Many times, the listed side
effects will be pretty severe... possible birth defects, heart damage and even
death. These are legal (albeit regulated) drugs! So making an argument to keep
marijuana illegal based on protecting the public is a pretty weak argument.
Marijuana is cheap and easy to grow. It doesn't require a chemical
engineer manipulating molecules to create a patentable combination worth
billions.We should be honest and admit to ourselves that corporate
profits are a big part of the drive to keep marijuana illegal. Big Pharma is
willing to fight hard to make sure they are the only legal dealers of mind
altering drugs. They don't want people growing alternatives to addictive,
mind-altering drugs like Oxycontin in their own backyards.
Secondly, the war on drugs has been a failure. In a state like Utah that
tightly regulates alcohol, it would be almost as easy for me to get a baggie or
marijuana on my drive home from work as a fifth of whiskey. The war on drugs
would not stop me from getting marijuana if I wanted it. The war on drugs
merely means that some drug dealer is getting rich from selling marijuana while
millions of marijuana users are caught, incarcerated and in many cases, turned
from casual marijuana users into hardened criminals. The detriment to society
from the war on drugs far far outweighs the benefits. We'd be so much
better off legalizing and very tightly regulating these drugs. The only
arguments against this are moral objections, not rational objections. And our
moral objections are so arbitrary. We're against marijuana while caring
not about Percocet. I'd bet my farm there are more Americans addicted to
Percocet than marijuana.
If you like, we can use the "gun control" argument. Every year there are
10,000 deaths due to drunk driving. Therefore we should ban alcohol. Since
Marijuana is worse than alcohol, that is an "assault drug" and should be
totally banned.What are you talking about? Since Marijuana is worse
than alcohol, where did you come up with that?Try harder and use
logic instead of made up stories to support your theocratic claims.Marijuana doesn't kill.Look up toxic levels for drugs.
IMO the pot argument is the same as the Gun argument. The gun is neither good
nor evil, it's how the person uses it. A gun CAN be used for great good OR
great evil. Likewise pot is neither good nor evil... it's how the person
uses it. I don't know what great GOOD it does, but I know it can be
abused (just as a gun can be abused).But bottom line... the pot is
not the problem (it's how people use it). And a gun is not the problem
(it's how people use it).So just as we don't outlaw all
guns... we probably shouldn't outlaw all pot. We should outlaw the ABUSE
of Pot (just as we outlaw the abuse of weapons).
One could just as easily write -- "Alcohol is a harmful drug.
That much is beyond dispute, no matter what the drug’s advocates say. It
is particularly harmful to young people who begin drinking it regularly, but it
also is harmful to adults. It is addictive." And that is only
the beginning of the hypocrisies involved in the recreational drug discussion.
The legislation should distinguish between marijuana varieties that
still have medicinal value against those that have been hybridized for their
Thanks DN. In a society where doing your thing is politically correct, it's
good to have someone stand up against drugs. Those who say that marijuana causes
no harm are willfully ignorant of the social and medical facts. Those who
advocate it should visit Amsterdam, Vancouver, BC or see the abuses of
"medical marijuana" in California for a quick reality check.
@RedShirtMITCambridge, MA11:10 a.m. Oct. 11, 2013If you
like, we can use the "gun control" argument. [OK, Let's
use the "gun control" argument... Why should we ban it? Why get
Government involved doing background checks? The psychos are going to get their
hands on them anyway.]"Big Pharm" already has legal forms of
marijuana used in the treatment of various diseases. Why do we need to legalize
smoking marijuana?[Why do we need to make illegal a plant you can
grow easier than tomatoes? Why do you think "Big Pharm" makes something
only THEY can provide, and then lobbies so hard against legalizing pot?
It's about $Money, and has nothing to do with public safety.]
aspirin is addictive and a drug , so is tylenol , so it cough syrup etc....
marijuana is a drug , fine , i agree, recreational use is harmful, any drug is
harmful, if abused , BUT ! marijuana has medical applications, google is your
friend .......... marijuana OIL (not hashish) pure from a potent pure plant, not
those used for drugs , seems to kill cancer cells, en masse ! in fact has CURED
at least a few dozen cases of STAGE 4 prostate cancer and others . Don't
believe me , GOOGLE IT !!!!!therefore it SHOULD at least be legal for
medicinal purposes. besides, want your kids away from drugs ? educate and love
them , i can't believe in the stupidity of telling someone they can't
possess a plant. Get out of my private life,and quit deciding for me what is
right or wrong . my choices , no right to force anything ! that aside I
don't smoke it , or uses it and my kids won't either, i have educated
mine ,and loved mine , they have no need to abuse medicine.
the war on drugs it seems has become worse than the drugs themselves especially
when it comes to marijuana
It's obvious from the posts that those who have used "dope" think
that "dope" is good. What other evidence does anyone need to show that
"dope" destroys lives?
I cannot say if MJ is overly harmful or addictive and from what I understand, no
one else can either because there have been few studies of it in depth.What I do know is that the harm that results from the drug running, the wars
raging between drug dealers, the havoc being raised in Mexico between those
trying to run the country and the drug cartels is terrible. I am to the point
of saying legalize it, then tax the heck out of it. That will undermine the
cartels and raise revenue for the government.
It's obvious from the posts that those who have not used
"Marijuana" think that they are cleverly calling it "dope" and
it is evil. The original draft of the constitution was on Hemp paper, I'll
take that as hemp is in the constitution, eh mike.
To "Open Minded Mormon" but according to the FDA we have not banned
Marijuana. We have only banned the recreational use of Marijuana. Just like
gun control, we don't allow just anybody to get a conceal carry permit, nor
do gun laws currently allow criminals or mentally disturbed people to get it.So, again, why legalize the recreational use of Marijuana? We already
have marijuana based medications that are used in the treatment of various
No proponents ever say that marijuana is no worse than alcohol. That is a huge
lie, Alcohol is, in every way, much more deadly, harmful and costly to a society
than marijuana could ever pretend to be. Sure there are negatives associated to
marijuana, but there are also positives from it too, that antagonists will
always ignore. If someone thinks Alcohol should be legal and marijuana illegal,
they are incorrigible, and all we can do is wait for a sensible generation to
fix this issue.
Is this working?
Ok if you go to 'uccs dot edu' forward slash 'rmelamed'
forward slash 'cannabinoids-and-cancer' you will find a list of 625
peer reviewed medical journal studies that show raw cannabis cures cancer nearly
100% of the time for less than the cost of one doctors visit. Also with no
negative side effects. I have seen it work first hand on my cat who had a
fibrosarcosis tumor on his jaw that the vet said would kill him in two weeks,
this was two years ago.
Our present federal "war" on recreational drug use is unjust because it
violates our rights. As best as I presently understand things, we each have
equal innate rights, which are (1) over our bodies, (2) over the fruits of our
labors, (3) over our children within reason as they mature to adulthood, (4) to
interact contractually via mutual voluntary informed consent, and (5) to defend
ourselves against others' aggression, including with expert assistance from
"governments," which is their only legitimate role. And these five
basic rights imply limitless derivative rights, including to freely produce and
sell and buy and consume substances (including recreational drugs), provided
that we don't violate anyone else's equal innate rights as we do so.
And, as long as nobody violates anybody else's rights, no governmental
intervention is justified. Besides, if we presume that governments may
legitimately dictate our use of recreational drugs, then why should they not
also dictate our use of medicinal drugs or even our diet? This doesn't
mean that we're helpless against drug addiction, since we can still freely
lovingly preach against sinful and/or foolish activities, even if we can't
compel others to live as we please.
Our present federal "war" on recreational drug use is unconstitutional
because our Constitution's Article I, Section 8, gives no authority to
Congress to dictate what substances people may and may not consume, nor has this
charter been amended to include such authority, as it once did regarding
alcoholic beverages. And, even if we did amend our Constitution in this manner,
such authority would still not be legitimate, since such authority is not ours
to give. We have no authority to exercise unilateral coercion over others
except as a last resort in defense, even if we arrogantly believe that we can
live their lives better than they can, and even if we're sometimes
right---and, so, we cannot contractually delegate such authority to others.
Also, it's best to keep political power as decentralized as possible, which
is why the U.S. Constitution renders only a few crimes as federal ones, and
allows both state and local governments to deal with all other crimes---and I
think that we would do well to adhere to this wisdom.
Our present federal "war" on recreational drug use is impractical
because its results are very ineffective, if not counterproductive, like most
attempts to use evil means to accomplish good ends. Recreational drug addiction
is best treated as a medical problem rather than as a legal one. It's
better to lovingly encourage our drug-addicted neighbors to seek clinical
treatment, rather than to lock them away for years in the company of murderers
and rapists and robbers. As a result of this "war" on drugs, our nation
imprisons more people than any other, which is both more expensive and less
effective than clinical treatment, and has arguably proven far more beneficial
to the income of private penitentiaries than to the health of drug addicts.
Also, this "war" has eroded federal respect for our Constitution's
Bill of Rights, and it has created lucrative "black markets" in which
criminal organizations, amidst limited competition, have enriched themselves
upon massive profits. Not every societal problem is best solved through
political action. Let's please strive to always seek correct methods,
which is never government EXCEPT as a last resort in defense against aggression.
Someone should ask the writer of this article what are his sources. From what I
read, he doesn't have a clue.Why does a news agency like the
"Deseret News" allow this sort of journalism? This article is a
It is an opinion piece so you have to give him a pass, however marijuana is far
less damaging than alcohol on any possible level. There are many prescription
drugs prescribed daily that are far worse than marijuana. Also the addiction
argument is blown way out of proportion. Some drug companies are taking extracts
of marijuana in liquid form to help cancer patients. So far so good. We waste
to much money fighting drugs.