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Published: Friday, Oct. 11 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

"I think that it's important to understand the vantage point of a senator versus the vantage point of a president. When you're a senator, traditionally what's happened is, this is always a lousy vote. Nobody likes to be tagged as having increased the debt limit — for the United States by a trillion dollars. As president, you start realizing, you know what, we, we can't play around with this stuff. This is the full faith and credit of the United States. And so that was just an example of a new senator making what is a political vote as opposed to doing what was important for the country. And I'm the first one to acknowledge it."

15 April 2011 Good Morning America interview, President Obama

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

"The staff at the U.S. embassy in Caracas is still putting its fingers in its ears and waggling them at the Venezuelan government."

Good. In the 1600's the English Parliament wanted to limit the King of England's (Charles I?) power. He wanted to raise taxes for something or other. He could not raise taxes without calling parliament into session. But as soon as he did that they would vote to have limits on his power. So he did all sort of budgeting tricks for ten years until he finally had to call them into power where they did something to the effect of impeaching him. Something like that.

Yes, the Founding Fathers were aware of this action in English history. Alexander Hamilton made the point that whoever controls the money, ultimately will rule. Pres. Obama doesn't like being told no. Congress is not staging a coup. It is in their power to do so. Now, having said that, it may end up a big mess with our money being worthless, or it might end up like the sequester, (the end of civilzation as we know it) but it is still on-going and we stopped noticing it.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Tea party radical spins are what created this mess.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Tea party radical spins are what created this mess."

You say it like it's a bad thing. Thank goodness someone finally has the . . . uh . . . wherewithal, to stand up to the deranged tax-and-spend liberals!

The "mess" you speak of -- $17T in deranged, intergenerational debt, that we have absolutely nothing to show for -- was, in reality, created by the liberals, of course, NOT the Tea Party. Tea Partiers and fiscal conservatives should wear it as a badge of honor that they are being blamed by feckless, reckless, disingenuous liberals for the act of finally pointing out the emperor's state of undress.

Real Americans carefully note and greatly appreciate it.

Liberals whine.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Procura -- don't forget the deranged tax-and-spend conservatives. Like Michelle Bachmann and her trophy porkchop - a $200,000,000 bridge across the St. Croix River.

T. Party
Pleasant Grove, UT

The shutdown could be ended tomorrow. The House has voted to fund the entire government, minus Obamacare. Why must Obama and Reid hold the country hostage over one bad law?

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: ". . . don't forget the deranged tax-and-spend conservatives."

Great point!

ANY lawmaker that engages in deranged liberal tax-and-spend tactics has forfeited the right to claim to be a conservative.

That's what the Tea Partiers have been preaching for years. And we know it's begun to sink in when even die-hard liberals begin to grasp the concept.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

How can you trust any thing that they say when they say the shut down wont effect Vet's. Surprise, 25,00 wont be able to have death benefits, disabled Vet's wont get their disability, retired Vet's lost their retirement.

SCfan
clearfield, UT

Kalindra

The only trouble with Obamas quote is the last part where he says he was the FIRST to acknowledge it. Romney acknowledged it, as well as many of todays current Govenors, Senators, and Congressmen do. Some even Democrat. And the irony of that statement about political vote vs what is right for the country (as he sees it, anyway,) he doesn't seem to realize that that is exactly what he is now up against as President. Elected officials representing the will of the people. The guy knew nothing when he became President, and apparently has learned nothing in almost 5 years. Not good leadership.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Admittedly, both parties spend too much. But look what they spend it on. Dems spend it on education and science and protecting the environment and lifting people out of poverty: this is called investment. Republicans spend it on wars: this is called psychosis.

Bubble
SLC, UT

@ SCfan: You are confusing "recognizing" with "acknowledging" - Obama is acknowledging a mistake he made - Romney can acknowledge his own mistakes, but he cannot acknowledge mistakes made by others - nor can anyone else.

And there is a big difference between making a political vote and doing what is right for the country - which Obama has learned but many senators and representatives still don't seem to get. The majority of Americans are opposed to the government shut down and using Obamacare as an excuse for the government to not do its job - those who are truly concerned with what is best for this country and doing what the citizens want would get over Obamacare and get on with governing.

There have been 40 votes to repeal Obamacare - and they have never gotten anywhere near enough votes to matter. It is time to move on.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

Let the liberals whine. They wanted the shut down, and it is dropping their president's approval rating. The budget is being discussed in a way no one could be bothered with for the past 5 years.

Vital government programs are up and running and things are actually looking up, a little.

Maybe we can cut some of the wasteful spending and save our country from bankruptcy.

Naah, things are that good. Barry and Harry would never go for that.

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

English history was brought up earlier in the thread. Charles I was mentioned. He was one of many kings that were held to account by other powerful groups: the barons in the case of King John and his son Henry III and others; Parliament in the case of Charles I; most of the nation and the army which refused to recognize - James II; independent minded colonists in the case of George III. In all these cases the king lost and the people were winners.

The ACA is opposed by a clear majority of the people and that majority is very likely to increase markedly imo. The apparent greater expense of the premiums under ACA, and the lower deductibles that are being reported will lead to far less people being medically insured, not more. Is that what its supporters want? I don't think so: I hope not.

The Democrats are losing a lot of core support as details of ACA appear. That's a pity because the Republicans need a good opposition, as of course do the Democrats.

David
Centerville, UT

Irony Guy,

What party held the White House during World War I, World War II, Korea, and Vietnam? It appears you are limiting facts to make your point, which is not factual.

In reality, Democrats have made war at least as often as Republicans.

So which party is trying to work to strengthen our nation today?

Joint Chiefs of Staff said in 2010 that US debt is greatest risk to our security. US paid $360 billion in interest in 2012. So far in 2013 we have paid $416 billion in interest.

Which party is, today, trying to reduce spending?

I can help you: Republicans, and specifically Tea Partiers.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

How DARE you point out that the way the Media is painting this Mock-Crisis is not reality???

That's like saying the king has no clothes! We all know it... just nobody DARES say it.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@SCfan
Polls show overwhelming public support for ending this shutdown. That's why the Republican party has a 29% approval rating in Gallup (their lowest in the history of Gallup polling).

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Badgerbadger
Obama's approval rating has actually been flat the past week in the Real Clear Politics average of recent polls compared to previous weeks. Republicans however set record low approval ratings for their party in the Gallup (29%) and NBC/WSJ (24%) polls. Democrats don't want this shutdown, we just consider the tanking of the Republicans in the minds of Americans to be a small consolation for having to deal with this nonsense.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

‘Most of what you hear about the shutdown is wrong’

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Only if you are listening to AM talk radio or FoxNews.

The rest of the media is just about right on target.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

"Cantor wrote a memo to his fellow Republicans in early September. In it, he told them to expect a short-term continuing resolution to keep the government open.

Such a resolution, Cantor wrote, would be "at sequester levels" and "contain $64 billion in less spending compared to the current funding levels Obama signed into law a mere five months ago."

If Obama signed off on that, Cantor continued, Obama "would be endorsing a level of spending that wipes away all the increases he and congressional Democrats made while they were in charge and returns us to a pre-2008 level of discretionary spending."

Cantor ended his memo on an upbeat note. That leaves little doubt that Cantor saw a short-term continuing resolution in a positive light.

Cantor planned to bring two measures to the floor. One would be the CR and the other would defund Obamacare. Both items would go to the Senate separately with the expectation that the Senate would pass the spending resolution and kill the amendment."
(Politifact)

In sum, House leaders had a plan which Reid agreed to--lower spending numbers, until the T-partiers rejected the plan.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

"In the '80s and '90s there was the ability for both sides, no matter how difficult the issue, to come together and arrive at compromise and solve problems," Chuck Konigsberg, assistant director of the OMB during the 1995 shutdown, said in an interview with CNN. "Now, there is such an ideological bent to many of these issues, that it is difficult to overcome the gridlock."
Konigsberg said today's Republican members, "instead of focusing on the general election where people tend to tack to the political center, are more worried about primary challenges from the far right."
And according to a 2013 study from Duke University and the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill, the government shutdowns of 1995-1996 could have led to the partisanship that is now gripping Washington.

When the government shut down in 1995-96, the economy was booming, primarily because of Silicon Valley, the burgeoning tech sector and Internet startups. Unemployment was at 5.6% and most economic forecasts saw further growth.
The same could not be said for the current state of this economy."
(CNN)

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