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Published: Wednesday, Oct. 9 2013 6:10 p.m. MDT

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Orem, UT

Science has its own myths. Some adhere to it more aggressively than most religious followers.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Rocket Science said: "There is nothing more central, more basic, more important to the Boy Scout movement than Duty to God. It is why Lord Baden Powell began the movement."

Wrong, it was to train young men to be ready for the armed forces.
England has a state religion, Duty to God was Duty to State.

Spider Rico
Greeley, CO

I'll take the "myths" of religion that give me the desire to serve others, donate time and money to charity, abstain from things that degrade, give me a positive outlook on life, and force me to examine the error of my ways in a bid to better the world. I'll take this over political correctness which looks for controversy in every breath, seeks to discredit the beliefs of billions that have survived millennia, calls God a fairy tale, fights for the "rights" of the criminal rather than victims, lives life in protest rather than in peace and joy, destroys rather than builds, etc. Yes, there are those among the great congregations of God that live similarly to the PCers, but I and a vast army of my brothers are content. You can try to morph me all you want but I will forever strive to live a cleaner, more God-centered life 'til the end of my days. That is an oath I took as an Eagle Scout and as a worshiper of the Almighty God.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

Yeah Yeah Yeah the atheists claim that they're not trying to force others to share their same viewpoint. Same with the LGBT community. They claim that they just want to be treated the same blah blah blah blah and once they're in then they exercise other "rights" until they have forced their view point on people who don't share that same unbelief or lifestyle.

"Give them an inch and they'll take a mile" or "No good deed goes unpunished"

Orem, UT

@paintanddestroy: All that's left is to eliminate "Boy" so no one feels left out"

I hate to break it to you, but the athiests and progressives wouldn't stop there. There is that pesky "morally straight" clause that needs to be eliminated by the GLBT community; the "duty to country" that is antithema to the open border crowd; the "mentally awake" part that seems to go against the "legalize pot" crowd; etc.,etc..

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Duty to an invisible man in the sky, or duty to real humans?
I'll associate with those who serve real humans.

Kaysville, UT

Britain is where the Scouting movement came from and the anti-God people in our country will use this as leverage to get rid of "In God We Trust" and any reference to God taken out of our documents and history. Hopefully, the Boy Scouts of America will stand for truth and integrity in what they believe.

The adversaries of agency want to take away all of the internal spirit from people so they can be in bondage to everyone and everything without principles. There still is a Principal and that is God.

The Conference this past weekend did not say it would be easy but God is on the side of freedom and hope. We need to pray for His help everyday and should be thankful for the Plan He has for us even though not easy with the great and spacious building and people throwing darts in every direction.

I am grateful for my ancestors that came to this land prior to being a country in the 1600s from England. It is a great opportunity to keep the faith in Scouting and everything else that is good.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@Pilot70 – “Certainly, atheists and others who wish to ignore God were always free to organize a program to their liking.”

One of our major problems in society today is how, rather than truly trying to understand another’s point of view, we instead demonize, caricature, and otherwise attribute views to them they don’t really hold (usually of the straw man variety so we can easily dismiss them).

So in the spirit of not doing that, please consider this thought experiment. Reread you comment using the word Zeus in place of God. Would you feel comfortable with your kids saying an oath to Zeus?

That’s exactly how it looks to us (agnostics, skeptics) whenever we want to participate (or especially have our kids involved) in a non-religious organization that we value (and the BSA teaching terrific values).

And it goes both ways – the Scouts should not be a place for people like me to promote skepticism towards religion. I can do that on my own time just as you can worship on yours.

I would much rather live in American vs. the Balkans (i.e., we can co-exist).


Roanoke, VA

I heartily agree with paintanddestroy. "Boy" is clearly sexist, and alienates non-Boys. It fosters gender-identity. And not only am I glad The Scouts removed "God" from the oath, I think it should be removed from all public discourse. I'm am tired of being emotionally traumatized every time someone says "God Bless You" whenever I sneeze. Inconsiderate Neanderthals. If it doesn't stop, I will sue.

ferron, UT

"Professing themselves to be wise they became fools...."
We took God out of school and look what has happened. We have taken God out of government and look was is happening. As much as our overly educated spiritually starved liberals want to think we are evolving for better we are not.

gambier, oh

I am all for inclusiveness but that does not ever mean that we forget the Creator of all. We are taking out the most loving personage in the Universe to satisfy a few whims of the world. It is sad and unacceptable. Lucky for me I do not have to make the decisions that influence the removal of God from our lives because not matter what you think you believe God is still the Creator, the Loving Heavenly Father, our God, this is sad on our part and I am sure he also feels sadness at this choice. What is next, removing God from Church so we don't offend anyone wanting to walk into His Home.

Salt Lake City, UT

This is not an effort to take God out of the Boy Scouts, this is an effort to take God
out of the minds and actions of the young. Those still developing standards, goals and values.
And has been stated, you can see what has happened to our culture as God and been removed from
schools...government...and our culture.
I have a library of old radio programs, imagine how " A Family that Prays together, Stays together"
would go over today from a Hollywood produced program that went into homes throughout the USA before we became so 'educated and sophisticated'. Already in Germany they are taking children
away from their parents because they are too 'religious'. How long before they start 'goose stepping' into our homes?


@ Gandalf, there are other ways to give boys "support and camaraderie" and have them "associate with other people and groups that have positive values" without removing THE central guiding concept from Boy Scouts. Should a church stop outward worship of God, because then atheists will be more likely to come and hang around good people? The Boy Scouts is not a church, but it is definitely a religious group. Or at least, it used to be.

The British scouts probably did think they needed to "adapt to changing circumstances in order to thrive"—meaning they weren't making enough money to keep going, so now they can charge their outrageous prices to atheists as well. I somehow doubt it will make much of a difference.

Bob A. Bohey
Marlborough, MA

This is fantastic news! Every freedom loving person should be rejoicing over this news. Either an organization is inclusive or it is not. Removing the word God from their oath is another step towards inclusivity. United we stand divided we fall.

Sandy, UT

I want to join your club even though I do not believe in what you believe in. Oh, by the way, will you please change your club so it better conforms to my beliefs. What, you will not give us what you believe to accommodate what I believe. What a bunch of haters!

Farr West, Utah

Several of the comments indicated not wishing to donate to the BSA any more because of this. Well, this was done by the boy scout organization in the UK and not in the U.S. It would be a shame to withhold support from the BSA on the basis of a decision that does not involve the Boy Scouts of AMERICA. The BSA still pledge to do their "Duty to God." I hope it stays that way.

S. Jordan, UT

Re: The Scientist

"How sad that so many are so intolerant and hateful of those who do not believe in the fairy tales of religion."

You put the lie to the sentiment with your choice of words.

Spider Rico
Greeley, CO

@Ernest - The First and Great Commandment is to love God. And the Second is like unto it - Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. I embrace these two greatest commandments and strive to live by them. That doesn't mean I always need to agree with my neighbor, but that I should love and respect them as Children of God. I feel the same for you my brother. My Church teaches me to serve others, which I believe involves real people. So whether you believe I am misguided in my adherence to command one, my adherence to command two fits with your line about serving real people quite well.

Layton, UT


Bleed Crimson
Sandy, Utah

@ Moontan

The word "boy" is now sexist because it alienates non-boys? It's that type of attitude towards gender is leading to the destruction of the family unit in our society. Attitudes like "we're all the same" is nonsense. Boys and girls are different. They have different talents and abilities that one gender is stronger at than the other. They're created differently by God so we have a gender identity so we all know that we're sons and daughters of God.

The boy scouts is a privately funded organization that teaches young men moral principles and not just activities to collect merit badges. If you don't like the boy scouts because it uses "God" in their oath. Then don't have your sons (if you have any) join the boy scouts. Girls have a girl scout organization they can join. But please don't force your secular beliefs on us. That offends us all!

You are entitled to your opinion and I respect that.

God bless you!

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