@mussingaround"LOL! There's barely any difference."This keeps getting better and better.1) Go to a major
website that ranks recruiting classes.2) Observe the consistent
disparity in recruiting class ranking over the past several years.It
is significant. It is consistent. It is more than likely playing somewhat of a
factor in Utah's current dominance of BYU in the rivalry.In
other news, 2 + 2 = 4.I'm not sure why this is an argument, but
watching you guys twist in the wind over this is absolutely priceless.
nosaerfoecioveht"Utah has brought in significantly higher ranked
recruiting classes than BYU over the past four years."LOL!
There's barely any difference.
@ Duck"Utah has won the last 4 years sure, but talent
hasn't had much, if anything to do with it."LOL!Utah has brought in significantly higher ranked recruiting classes than BYU
over the past four years. Despite one offs and exceptions, Pac 12 recruiting has
given Utah an edge in talent and depth as an overall team, generally speaking.
It may not be huge, but it has shown itself on the field.Teams that
recruit higher ranked classes tend to have better talent.Teams with better
talent tend to have an edge in football.It is hilarious watching you
struggle with basic concepts.
@nosaerUh....you're struggling. The point being very well made
by nhatch82 is that there is not much difference between the talent levels of
BYU and utah, not the talent levels of byu, or utah, and alabama. utah has won
the last 4 years sure, but talent hasn't had much, if anything to do with
it. Mistakes BYU has made have lead to every single one of those wins and making
mistakes is not a matter of physical talent, it is a problem with focus and
execution. If you want to try and make the point utah prepares better than BYU
does for that game then I am all with you. If you want to claim utah has the
mental edge at this point then I'll agree with you again. If you want to
try to claim that utah's physical talent is somehow vastly superior then
I'll simply laugh at you. When you are dealing with recruits the level BYU
and utah get there is not much to distinguish between them. They are pretty much
mid level recruits, although BYU actually gets more high level recruits than
utah. the utah talent advantage is a myth.
@ ChrisBYou are a very giggly person. I think it would have been
hard to have gotten any more rushing yards even if we had more talented players.
at some point you simply run out of time.
USNGary,Yes, byu beat a talented texas team. Not sure what your
point is? None of us have ever said teams will worse recruiting never beat
teams with better recruiting.Did we? Nope! Seriously, where do
you byU fans get these crazy ideas?And how do you think byu would
have done in that game with even better athletes? Or worse athletes? Or do you
think the quality of athletes has nothing to do with winning football games?If so, LOL!
Well BYU beat a team this year with the best recruiting class in the country,
explain that one, and took them to the woodshed. By the way, the article was
about a player, not recruiting. Get a life guys
Nosaerf,It's so simple huh? And byu fans are struggling. They
don't like to accept the truth when it hurts. Higher rated
recruits are usually better athletes and the overall stars a team has is very
telling of thei athletic talent. Utah has won 4 years on the field.
Utah has won 4 years in recruiting(average 2.6 stars byU and 3.0 for
Utah)And yes, that means that Utah has better athletes. And that's a big reason we beat them year after year after year after
@nhatch"Interesting how you just proved my point. Tell me what
your star rating was that year? You guys get so lost in your own points that you
start proving mine. thanks"Actually, you proved Chris B's
point by citing Alabama, a program that consistently gets a lot of 4 and 5 star
recruits, as your standard for greatness in the first place. As I
mentioned earlier, there are always exceptions and upsets (thank goodness), but
the point remains that on average, teams with higher rated recruits have more
success, send more players to the NFL, and have more talent, which is a factor
in winning games against teams that weren't able to recruit the same talent
level. I'm not sure why you're struggling with this, but
You know, when the day comes that Chris B and the Utes go 0-12 some year, he
(she?) will still try to point out some way, some how, that the utes are the
best team of all time, and would beat Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, Steve Young
and the Iron curtain defense because they are just that good. To
listen to the Utes here, they are the real National Champs because they beat
Alabama. Once. Several years ago, now. At the same time, they give no credit
to BYU beating Miami or winning the national title. It's called hypocrisy.
How many stars did Eric Weddle have?
@nosa"I am not claiming that byu could take alabama to the
woodshed."Funny because the Utes did that pretty
recently."Interesting how you just proved my point. Tell me
what your star rating was that year? You guys get so lost in your own points
that you start proving mine. thanks
@nhatch82"We have a NC trophy! Period."Yes you
do. From 1984. Earned under a different system with a body of work that would
not come close to being considered a National Championship by today's
standards. You didn't beat any good teams to get it.See how
that has zero relevance in a discussion about BYU's ability to compete in
the modern era against good teams with better talent?
p.s. currently 2014 class Utes 1- 4 star 5 -3 stars 3 no star commits. BYU 1-
4star 5- 3 stars 8- 2 star 9 out of BYU 14 commits have offers from BCS schools.
4 out of Utahs 11 have offers from other BCS schools. BYU class is also ranked
higher. And Cody Hoffman was a 2 star commit now a NFL bound receiver.
I think Chris B needs to point out that Utah classes are usually within 10 spots
of BYU classes according to the rankings. so that makes the ute class 8.1
percent better.If you go by star percent it is between 4 and 9 percent better.
So they may claim a little better but not a lot.The reason Utah has won
consistently: They have better schemes and execute much better when playing one
another. Talent is very similar both teams have a great receiver and a great
linebacker. One place where Utah definitely and for years has had an advantage
is the offensive line, but both teams have brought in similar talent. Two highly
recruited Y offensive lineman were lost for their careers. How would the Utes do
if they lost the two best o-lineman? How many of you have played sports? I
played competitive sports for 4 years. We lost to teams that had less talent and
beat teams with more talent. It comes down to coaching and attitude. Utah is
better at both those regards. I am not a ute fan but they will compete with any
team because of attitude and coaching.
@nosaWe have a NC Trophy! Period. You can come look at it if you
are feeling sad you don't have one.
nhatch82I am not a Chris B fan but he is winning this argument, you
need to quit while you're behind. "I am not claiming that
byu could take alabama to the woodshed."Funny because the Utes
did that pretty recently.You haven't done anything to refute
Chris B's point. The star system isn't perfect, but on average it is
proven to be a useful indicator of talent. Every independent recruiting service
agrees that Utah has recruited better talent than byu consistently over the past
four years. Yes there are one offs, there are players who develop differently at
the college level, etc, but there is no denying Utah has an edge in talent and
depth right now. This has been a factor in the Utes dominating the rivalry in
@nhatch82"1984 let me know when you guys one"Chris is talking about a team winning a national championship in the modern
era.BYU was awarded the national championship in 1984 by beating the
worst teams college football had to offer. Not one single good team. Not even a
major bowl.The system has been completely changed so that could
never happen again, because it was ridiculous.
chris bYou obviously have not read any of my posts. This is not
about Alabama or LSU. This is about BYU/Utah. Let me key you in on something,
the U of U are not a National Title caliber teamI don't know why you are
using this argument. I am not claiming byu could take alabama to the woodshed. I
am claiming that BYU and Utah are very similar in talent level. As far as the U
winning the last 4 games. this is due to execution and coaching. the U has out
executed and coach the BYU cougars as of late. Its not a talent issue.
@ chris B"Tell me the last time a football national champion has
a recruiting class with stars similar to byU"1984 let me know
when you guys one
nhatch,Keep telling yourself its pure coincidence that EVERY team
winning football national titles also had very high star recruiting classes.You know how Bronco keeps saying his goal is to win a national title at
byU?Tell me the last time a football national champion has a
recruiting class with stars similar to byULOL!Keep
telling yourself bronco is capable of winning a national title with 1-2 star
The SEC will always be at or near the top because of their recruiting and
academic standards. Having 4 and 5 star recruits hasn't carried Texas all
that far this year, either. Just as the WCC schools are faith-based and have
higher academic standards than most other conferences, their triumphs in
athletics are all the more sweet.
Utes 27 USC 21"Not so, says every recruiting service!"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you realize that means nothing right? we have
actual ranking polls that determine which teams are better than the other, and
if I am not mistaken BYU is ahead of Utah in EVERY SINGLE POLL except the ones
that the utes make up themselves. This is determined by how many stars you had
in high school apparently. What is with you guys and recruiting?
the player you bring in has to perform on a football field. For all you ute
fans who dont understand this. having a 5 star recruit doesn't put points
on the scoreboard. The star recruiting obsession from you guys is almost as
silly as the PAC 12 stickers you flaunt.
nhatch,"they are two equally talented teams"Not
so, says every recruiting service!
nhatch,You are in a fantasy world if you think I've ever said
our team is 4-5 star athletes. No, I wish that were true. Utah is in the high
2's for average stars and byu is in the low 2's, and yes that
difference means something. And why wasn't Utah bowl eligible?
We don't play byu-quality teams 12 times a year. WE have play Pac 12
teams that mostly have better recruits than we do.My argument is
solid. There is a strong correlation between higher star teams
beating lower star teams. Utah has beaten byu 4 times in a row and has also
beatn byu in recruiting every year since our Pac 12 invitation. You think those
two are related?Yep!But you guys keep telling yourself
bronco is going to take you to a national title with a team of mostly 1-2 star
I am not saying we are better than you Christy. I am saying that your star
rating when you are referring to Utah/BYU is not legit. they are two equally
talented teams. I understand you have won the last 4 years. I am not arguing
this. We would be a low end PAC 12 team as well. I just think you live in this
fantasy world where your 4-5 star athlete make you this incredible team, however
you don't make a BOWL GAME. Face it your argument is weak
nhatch,We compete just as well in the Pac 12 as you compete with
us.And yes, there is a difference in talent level between Utah and
byu. And yes, that help us to beat you, which we did this year. And last year.
And the year before. And the year before.Just as Alabama, Oregon,
LSU are better than us and have better athletes, we are better than byu.Just remember, however "bad" we are, you're worse!If we're a doormat, what does that say about a team that can't beat
Cont.Here is a big revelation for you ChrisB You aren't alabama
florida or LSU. You ARE THE PAC 12 DOORMAT! You cant compete with those boys
either. just like how you cant compete with average pac 12 opponents in your
@Chris BActually your superior starred athletes were outperformed
stat wise in almost every category that night my friend. the 2-3 star athletes
had more total yard 443-402 more first downs, 24-16, more rushing yards 183-129,
less penalties, better 3rd down conversions percentage 23% vs 7%, and your all
american quarterback only had 13 more pass yards than the quarterback with (at
that time) the lowest passing efficiency rating in the entire country. You won
by 7 points, and were one "holding" call away from going into overtime.
Lets not pretend that your athletes are so superior. This was a tight game that
the utes edged out and I give them all the credit for but this was no blowout
that recruiting stars had anything to do with. this was a great game with
equally talented teams. remember you also did lose to a team that
was beaten by an FCS "NO STAR" Team. Tell me how that math works? When
you are a big dog like Alabama, LSU, and Florida the tlent level is very easy to
see. when you are a pac 12 doormat with an average recruiting class it really
doesn't make that much difference.
nhtch82, Try to keep up, it wasn't that complicated. 79 Ute
asked why byu has gone a terrible 0-4 against their rival the last 4 years. My
opinion has always been that ONE(I never said ONLY) big reason is that we have
better athletes. And yes, many times on these articles byu fans have said
"stars don't mean anything" and that couldt be more wrong, unless
you people think its pure coincidence that Alabama, Florida, LSU, Auburn have
had very high star recruiting classes and also won national championships.
OVERALL ON AVERAGE the recruiting services get it right. And Utah has had
higher AVERAGE star recruiting classes than byu every year since our Pac 12
invitation. You think there is no correlation(I never said
guarantee) between higher stars and better teams?Wrong. There is.
@ChrisB"Keep telling yourselves having better athletes
doesn't help make better teams. Or that stars don't mean anything even
though Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida, have all had amazing(high star) recruiting
classes leading up to their national championships. And keep telling yourselves
your 1-2 star kids are just as athletic."Show me on this article
where anyone has said anything about recruiting stars? You are the only one
that has commented about this. Get some new material rather than your cut and
paste jobs you do on every article. Nobody is telling anyone that we have better
athletes than Alabama LSU Auburn or Florida. The utes are in a similar
situation. You don't have athletes that compare with them either. The point
you are trying to make is irrelevant.By you saying you have such
better players really doesn't work. You were one "holding" play
away from being tied and going to overtime with these no star athletes you mock
each time you post. Utah and BYU are very similar talent wise, I cant figure
out why you think they are so superior.
79Ute,We have better players. Some byu fans try to convince
themselves that 1-2 star byu kids are just as talented as 4 star Alabama players
because stars don't mean anything. This couldn't be more wrong.
Every recruiting service has Utah beating byu in recruiting every year the last
4 years. Think its pure coincidence we've also won on the field the last 4
years?Nope!Keep telling yourselves having better
athletes doesn't help make better teams. Or that stars don't mean
anything even though Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida, have all had amazing(high
star) recruiting classes leading up to their national championships. And keep
telling yourselves your 1-2 star kids are just as athletic. LOL2013 Seniors 4-0 SWEEP
I for one am hoping for the rematch! I think it would be a great game,
reminiscent of the good ole days where both teams are playing their hearts out
with a lot on the line.To 79Ute, nobody can answer your question
because nobody knows. Our coaches are trying to figure it out every year. They
used to try to get the team to imagine the game as any other games so they
don't psych themselves out. Since that didn't work, this year Bronco
said go ahead and recognize it's not just any other game. Results were a
little better, but Utah was still way more poised than BYU. However, I believe
that the recent success is also tied to being played in the first 3 games of the
season. Before the MWC split BM vs. KW was 3-3. No secret that BYU is slow
starting seasons and much better at the end. Playing the 3rd game of season, BM
vs. KW: 0-3.The question is why does it take so long for BYU to get
Lest my fellow BYU fans forget, the Utes have improved as well.
I'm a Utah man who doesn't appreciate Chris B's chauvinism. I want to see the Y do well, win bowl games (like the U most years), and
send players to the NFL recruited by Bronco. I'd rather lose to the Y than
CU. Losses to the Y don't cost us Rose Bowl opportunities.I
agree that the Y is looking better and could finish the season well if they keep
up their momentum, but can an objective Y fan tell me why you start games and
seasons so slowly and why you haven't beaten the U in four years? Or why
Apo can't buy a completion?Is it poor coaching? Recruiting
challenges? Psyched out? Winning a bowl game against a PAC-12 team
that beat the U won't change the record of the last four Y v. U games. The
Y may end up with the better record for the year and beat a team that beat the
U, but why can't the Y beat the U?So let's go bowling
together and see who's better at the end of the season!
@CougFan:I usually like to see Utah lose any game they play, but this year
it would be sweet to see them barely bowl-eligible, so we could get another bite
at that apple. I don't think a rematch would be all that close.
From seeing Unga last year, I thought he would be solid at ILB, but he's
been spectacular. KVN steals the headlines and has the plays that make the
highlight reel, but Unga has been a big reason our defense is on par with last
years defense. The LB corp the last two years has to be the best in school
history.@mindgames - if the offense continues to improve, I think we
can compete with everyone on our schedule. I'm not willing to concede
anymore losses. I'm thinking 9-3 is very realistic.And the top
6 teams in the PAC look very good this year. I think we're going to get a
good bowl game matchup. I'm hoping we play someone who beat Utah.
Uani is a man among boys. He has added to a great linebacking corp.That group of linebackers make the defensive backs better and add to a great
pass rush.With the improvement of the offense the Y should be primed
for a strong finish.Looking at a 8-4 season and a fun bowl game
against a PAC 10.2 team.Goooooooo Cougars!!!!!
Pre-season worries about the defensive backfield were solved by tremendous work
by the linebacking corps. When the linebackers put heavy pressure on the
quarterback he doesn't have the time to locate holes in the secondary. When the linebackers drop back into coverage they have the speed to
cover backs, tight ends and even receivers over the middle. That takes a lot of
pressure off the d-backs.Uani's contribution to the linebackers
has been significant and has made the entire defense cohesive and strong.The rest of the season will be enjoyable and challenging. There is a
lot to build with and the team is getting better and better.Add what
the offense is achieving during the past two games to what the defense has
established it looks good for the future games.Looks like an 8-4