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  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    Oct. 14, 2013 10:50 a.m.

    @mussingaround

    "LOL! There's barely any difference."

    This keeps getting better and better.

    1) Go to a major website that ranks recruiting classes.

    2) Observe the consistent disparity in recruiting class ranking over the past several years.

    It is significant. It is consistent. It is more than likely playing somewhat of a factor in Utah's current dominance of BYU in the rivalry.

    In other news, 2 + 2 = 4.

    I'm not sure why this is an argument, but watching you guys twist in the wind over this is absolutely priceless.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Oct. 13, 2013 11:48 p.m.

    nosaerfoecioveht

    "Utah has brought in significantly higher ranked recruiting classes than BYU over the past four years."

    LOL! There's barely any difference.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    Oct. 13, 2013 12:07 a.m.

    @ Duck

    "Utah has won the last 4 years sure, but talent hasn't had much, if anything to do with it."

    LOL!

    Utah has brought in significantly higher ranked recruiting classes than BYU over the past four years. Despite one offs and exceptions, Pac 12 recruiting has given Utah an edge in talent and depth as an overall team, generally speaking. It may not be huge, but it has shown itself on the field.

    Teams that recruit higher ranked classes tend to have better talent.
    Teams with better talent tend to have an edge in football.

    It is hilarious watching you struggle with basic concepts.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 4:52 p.m.

    @nosaer

    Uh....you're struggling. The point being very well made by nhatch82 is that there is not much difference between the talent levels of BYU and utah, not the talent levels of byu, or utah, and alabama. utah has won the last 4 years sure, but talent hasn't had much, if anything to do with it. Mistakes BYU has made have lead to every single one of those wins and making mistakes is not a matter of physical talent, it is a problem with focus and execution. If you want to try and make the point utah prepares better than BYU does for that game then I am all with you. If you want to claim utah has the mental edge at this point then I'll agree with you again. If you want to try to claim that utah's physical talent is somehow vastly superior then I'll simply laugh at you. When you are dealing with recruits the level BYU and utah get there is not much to distinguish between them. They are pretty much mid level recruits, although BYU actually gets more high level recruits than utah. the utah talent advantage is a myth.

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 11:49 a.m.

    @ ChrisB

    You are a very giggly person. I think it would have been hard to have gotten any more rushing yards even if we had more talented players. at some point you simply run out of time.

  • Christopher.B Salt Lake, UT
    Oct. 11, 2013 8:05 a.m.

    USNGary,

    Yes, byu beat a talented texas team. Not sure what your point is? None of us have ever said teams will worse recruiting never beat teams with better recruiting.

    Did we? Nope! Seriously, where do you byU fans get these crazy ideas?

    And how do you think byu would have done in that game with even better athletes? Or worse athletes? Or do you think the quality of athletes has nothing to do with winning football games?

    If so, LOL!

  • USNGary San Diego, CA
    Oct. 11, 2013 12:12 a.m.

    Well BYU beat a team this year with the best recruiting class in the country, explain that one, and took them to the woodshed. By the way, the article was about a player, not recruiting. Get a life guys

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 7:50 p.m.

    Nosaerf,

    It's so simple huh? And byu fans are struggling. They don't like to accept the truth when it hurts.

    Higher rated recruits are usually better athletes and the overall stars a team has is very telling of thei athletic talent.

    Utah has won 4 years on the field.

    Utah has won 4 years in recruiting(average 2.6 stars byU and 3.0 for Utah)

    And yes, that means that Utah has better athletes.

    And that's a big reason we beat them year after year after year after year!

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 6:56 p.m.

    @nhatch

    "Interesting how you just proved my point. Tell me what your star rating was that year? You guys get so lost in your own points that you start proving mine. thanks"

    Actually, you proved Chris B's point by citing Alabama, a program that consistently gets a lot of 4 and 5 star recruits, as your standard for greatness in the first place.

    As I mentioned earlier, there are always exceptions and upsets (thank goodness), but the point remains that on average, teams with higher rated recruits have more success, send more players to the NFL, and have more talent, which is a factor in winning games against teams that weren't able to recruit the same talent level.

    I'm not sure why you're struggling with this, but it's entertaining.

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 6:08 p.m.

    You know, when the day comes that Chris B and the Utes go 0-12 some year, he (she?) will still try to point out some way, some how, that the utes are the best team of all time, and would beat Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, Steve Young and the Iron curtain defense because they are just that good.

    To listen to the Utes here, they are the real National Champs because they beat Alabama. Once. Several years ago, now. At the same time, they give no credit to BYU beating Miami or winning the national title. It's called hypocrisy.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 5:44 p.m.

    How many stars did Eric Weddle have?

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 5:27 p.m.

    @nosa

    "I am not claiming that byu could take alabama to the woodshed."

    Funny because the Utes did that pretty recently."

    Interesting how you just proved my point. Tell me what your star rating was that year? You guys get so lost in your own points that you start proving mine. thanks

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 5:26 p.m.

    @nhatch82

    "We have a NC trophy! Period."

    Yes you do. From 1984. Earned under a different system with a body of work that would not come close to being considered a National Championship by today's standards. You didn't beat any good teams to get it.

    See how that has zero relevance in a discussion about BYU's ability to compete in the modern era against good teams with better talent?

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 10, 2013 4:24 p.m.

    p.s. currently 2014 class Utes 1- 4 star 5 -3 stars 3 no star commits. BYU 1- 4star 5- 3 stars 8- 2 star 9 out of BYU 14 commits have offers from BCS schools. 4 out of Utahs 11 have offers from other BCS schools. BYU class is also ranked higher. And Cody Hoffman was a 2 star commit now a NFL bound receiver.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Oct. 10, 2013 4:11 p.m.

    I think Chris B needs to point out that Utah classes are usually within 10 spots of BYU classes according to the rankings. so that makes the ute class 8.1 percent better.If you go by star percent it is between 4 and 9 percent better. So they may claim a little better but not a lot.
    The reason Utah has won consistently: They have better schemes and execute much better when playing one another. Talent is very similar both teams have a great receiver and a great linebacker. One place where Utah definitely and for years has had an advantage is the offensive line, but both teams have brought in similar talent. Two highly recruited Y offensive lineman were lost for their careers. How would the Utes do if they lost the two best o-lineman?
    How many of you have played sports? I played competitive sports for 4 years. We lost to teams that had less talent and beat teams with more talent. It comes down to coaching and attitude. Utah is better at both those regards. I am not a ute fan but they will compete with any team because of attitude and coaching.

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 3:53 p.m.

    @nosa

    We have a NC Trophy! Period. You can come look at it if you are feeling sad you don't have one.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 3:35 p.m.

    nhatch82

    I am not a Chris B fan but he is winning this argument, you need to quit while you're behind.

    "I am not claiming that byu could take alabama to the woodshed."

    Funny because the Utes did that pretty recently.

    You haven't done anything to refute Chris B's point. The star system isn't perfect, but on average it is proven to be a useful indicator of talent. Every independent recruiting service agrees that Utah has recruited better talent than byu consistently over the past four years. Yes there are one offs, there are players who develop differently at the college level, etc, but there is no denying Utah has an edge in talent and depth right now. This has been a factor in the Utes dominating the rivalry in recent years.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 2:40 p.m.

    @nhatch82

    "1984 let me know when you guys one"

    Chris is talking about a team winning a national championship in the modern era.

    BYU was awarded the national championship in 1984 by beating the worst teams college football had to offer. Not one single good team. Not even a major bowl.

    The system has been completely changed so that could never happen again, because it was ridiculous.

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 2:14 p.m.

    chris b

    You obviously have not read any of my posts. This is not about Alabama or LSU. This is about BYU/Utah. Let me key you in on something, the U of U are not a National Title caliber teamI don't know why you are using this argument. I am not claiming byu could take alabama to the woodshed. I am claiming that BYU and Utah are very similar in talent level. As far as the U winning the last 4 games. this is due to execution and coaching. the U has out executed and coach the BYU cougars as of late. Its not a talent issue.

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 1:24 p.m.

    @ chris B

    "Tell me the last time a football national champion has a recruiting class with stars similar to byU"

    1984 let me know when you guys one

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 12:41 p.m.

    nhatch,

    Keep telling yourself its pure coincidence that EVERY team winning football national titles also had very high star recruiting classes.

    You know how Bronco keeps saying his goal is to win a national title at byU?

    Tell me the last time a football national champion has a recruiting class with stars similar to byU

    LOL!

    Keep telling yourself bronco is capable of winning a national title with 1-2 star nobodies!

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 11:54 a.m.

    The SEC will always be at or near the top because of their recruiting and academic standards. Having 4 and 5 star recruits hasn't carried Texas all that far this year, either. Just as the WCC schools are faith-based and have higher academic standards than most other conferences, their triumphs in athletics are all the more sweet.

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 11:44 a.m.

    Utes 27 USC 21

    "Not so, says every recruiting service!"

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you realize that means nothing right? we have actual ranking polls that determine which teams are better than the other, and if I am not mistaken BYU is ahead of Utah in EVERY SINGLE POLL except the ones that the utes make up themselves. This is determined by how many stars you had in high school apparently.

    What is with you guys and recruiting? the player you bring in has to perform on a football field. For all you ute fans who dont understand this. having a 5 star recruit doesn't put points on the scoreboard. The star recruiting obsession from you guys is almost as silly as the PAC 12 stickers you flaunt.

  • Utes 27 USC 21 Ogden, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 11:25 a.m.

    nhatch,

    "they are two equally talented teams"

    Not so, says every recruiting service!

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    nhatch,

    You are in a fantasy world if you think I've ever said our team is 4-5 star athletes. No, I wish that were true. Utah is in the high 2's for average stars and byu is in the low 2's, and yes that difference means something.

    And why wasn't Utah bowl eligible? We don't play byu-quality teams 12 times a year. WE have play Pac 12 teams that mostly have better recruits than we do.

    My argument is solid.

    There is a strong correlation between higher star teams beating lower star teams. Utah has beaten byu 4 times in a row and has also beatn byu in recruiting every year since our Pac 12 invitation. You think those two are related?

    Yep!

    But you guys keep telling yourself bronco is going to take you to a national title with a team of mostly 1-2 star nobodies!

    LOL

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    I am not saying we are better than you Christy. I am saying that your star rating when you are referring to Utah/BYU is not legit. they are two equally talented teams. I understand you have won the last 4 years. I am not arguing this. We would be a low end PAC 12 team as well. I just think you live in this fantasy world where your 4-5 star athlete make you this incredible team, however you don't make a BOWL GAME. Face it your argument is weak

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    nhatch,

    We compete just as well in the Pac 12 as you compete with us.

    And yes, there is a difference in talent level between Utah and byu. And yes, that help us to beat you, which we did this year. And last year. And the year before. And the year before.

    Just as Alabama, Oregon, LSU are better than us and have better athletes, we are better than byu.

    Just remember, however "bad" we are, you're worse!

    If we're a doormat, what does that say about a team that can't beat a doormat?

    LOL!

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 9:39 a.m.

    Cont.

    Here is a big revelation for you ChrisB You aren't alabama florida or LSU. You ARE THE PAC 12 DOORMAT! You cant compete with those boys either. just like how you cant compete with average pac 12 opponents in your own league.

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 9:36 a.m.

    @Chris B

    Actually your superior starred athletes were outperformed stat wise in almost every category that night my friend. the 2-3 star athletes had more total yard 443-402 more first downs, 24-16, more rushing yards 183-129, less penalties, better 3rd down conversions percentage 23% vs 7%, and your all american quarterback only had 13 more pass yards than the quarterback with (at that time) the lowest passing efficiency rating in the entire country. You won by 7 points, and were one "holding" call away from going into overtime. Lets not pretend that your athletes are so superior. This was a tight game that the utes edged out and I give them all the credit for but this was no blowout that recruiting stars had anything to do with. this was a great game with equally talented teams.

    remember you also did lose to a team that was beaten by an FCS "NO STAR" Team. Tell me how that math works? When you are a big dog like Alabama, LSU, and Florida the tlent level is very easy to see. when you are a pac 12 doormat with an average recruiting class it really doesn't make that much difference.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 9:16 a.m.

    nhtch82,

    Try to keep up, it wasn't that complicated. 79 Ute asked why byu has gone a terrible 0-4 against their rival the last 4 years. My opinion has always been that ONE(I never said ONLY) big reason is that we have better athletes. And yes, many times on these articles byu fans have said "stars don't mean anything" and that couldt be more wrong, unless you people think its pure coincidence that Alabama, Florida, LSU, Auburn have had very high star recruiting classes and also won national championships. OVERALL ON AVERAGE the recruiting services get it right. And Utah has had higher AVERAGE star recruiting classes than byu every year since our Pac 12 invitation.

    You think there is no correlation(I never said guarantee) between higher stars and better teams?

    Wrong. There is.

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 9:05 a.m.

    @ChrisB

    "Keep telling yourselves having better athletes doesn't help make better teams. Or that stars don't mean anything even though Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida, have all had amazing(high star) recruiting classes leading up to their national championships. And keep telling yourselves your 1-2 star kids are just as athletic."

    Show me on this article where anyone has said anything about recruiting stars? You are the only one that has commented about this. Get some new material rather than your cut and paste jobs you do on every article. Nobody is telling anyone that we have better athletes than Alabama LSU Auburn or Florida. The utes are in a similar situation. You don't have athletes that compare with them either. The point you are trying to make is irrelevant.

    By you saying you have such better players really doesn't work. You were one "holding" play away from being tied and going to overtime with these no star athletes you mock each time you post. Utah and BYU are very similar talent wise, I cant figure out why you think they are so superior.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 7:51 a.m.

    79Ute,

    We have better players. Some byu fans try to convince themselves that 1-2 star byu kids are just as talented as 4 star Alabama players because stars don't mean anything. This couldn't be more wrong. Every recruiting service has Utah beating byu in recruiting every year the last 4 years. Think its pure coincidence we've also won on the field the last 4 years?

    Nope!

    Keep telling yourselves having better athletes doesn't help make better teams. Or that stars don't mean anything even though Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida, have all had amazing(high star) recruiting classes leading up to their national championships. And keep telling yourselves your 1-2 star kids are just as athletic.

    LOL

    2013 Seniors 4-0 SWEEP

  • The Solution Dayton, OH
    Oct. 10, 2013 7:25 a.m.

    I for one am hoping for the rematch! I think it would be a great game, reminiscent of the good ole days where both teams are playing their hearts out with a lot on the line.

    To 79Ute, nobody can answer your question because nobody knows. Our coaches are trying to figure it out every year. They used to try to get the team to imagine the game as any other games so they don't psych themselves out. Since that didn't work, this year Bronco said go ahead and recognize it's not just any other game. Results were a little better, but Utah was still way more poised than BYU. However, I believe that the recent success is also tied to being played in the first 3 games of the season. Before the MWC split BM vs. KW was 3-3. No secret that BYU is slow starting seasons and much better at the end. Playing the 3rd game of season, BM vs. KW: 0-3.

    The question is why does it take so long for BYU to get into rhythm?

  • SportzFan Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 4:38 a.m.

    Lest my fellow BYU fans forget, the Utes have improved as well.

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    Oct. 10, 2013 1:08 a.m.

    I'm a Utah man who doesn't appreciate Chris B's chauvinism.

    I want to see the Y do well, win bowl games (like the U most years), and send players to the NFL recruited by Bronco. I'd rather lose to the Y than CU. Losses to the Y don't cost us Rose Bowl opportunities.

    I agree that the Y is looking better and could finish the season well if they keep up their momentum, but can an objective Y fan tell me why you start games and seasons so slowly and why you haven't beaten the U in four years? Or why Apo can't buy a completion?

    Is it poor coaching? Recruiting challenges? Psyched out?

    Winning a bowl game against a PAC-12 team that beat the U won't change the record of the last four Y v. U games. The Y may end up with the better record for the year and beat a team that beat the U, but why can't the Y beat the U?

    So let's go bowling together and see who's better at the end of the season!

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Oct. 9, 2013 11:23 p.m.

    @CougFan:
    I usually like to see Utah lose any game they play, but this year it would be sweet to see them barely bowl-eligible, so we could get another bite at that apple. I don't think a rematch would be all that close.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Oct. 9, 2013 10:20 p.m.

    From seeing Unga last year, I thought he would be solid at ILB, but he's been spectacular. KVN steals the headlines and has the plays that make the highlight reel, but Unga has been a big reason our defense is on par with last years defense. The LB corp the last two years has to be the best in school history.

    @mindgames - if the offense continues to improve, I think we can compete with everyone on our schedule. I'm not willing to concede anymore losses. I'm thinking 9-3 is very realistic.

    And the top 6 teams in the PAC look very good this year. I think we're going to get a good bowl game matchup. I'm hoping we play someone who beat Utah.

  • mindgames Aurora, CO
    Oct. 9, 2013 10:00 p.m.

    Uani is a man among boys. He has added to a great linebacking corp.

    That group of linebackers make the defensive backs better and add to a great pass rush.

    With the improvement of the offense the Y should be primed for a strong finish.

    Looking at a 8-4 season and a fun bowl game against a PAC 10.2 team.

    Goooooooo Cougars!!!!!

  • mindgames Aurora, CO
    Oct. 9, 2013 9:53 p.m.

    Pre-season worries about the defensive backfield were solved by tremendous work by the linebacking corps. When the linebackers put heavy pressure on the quarterback he doesn't have the time to locate holes in the secondary.

    When the linebackers drop back into coverage they have the speed to cover backs, tight ends and even receivers over the middle. That takes a lot of pressure off the d-backs.

    Uani's contribution to the linebackers has been significant and has made the entire defense cohesive and strong.

    The rest of the season will be enjoyable and challenging. There is a lot to build with and the team is getting better and better.

    Add what the offense is achieving during the past two games to what the defense has established it looks good for the future games.

    Looks like an 8-4 season.

    Goooooooooooo Cougars!!!