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Published: Thursday, Oct. 10 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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dmumford
Provo, UT

Dan, this oped is highly disappointing. I strongly defended you during the '12 primaries, even publicly proclaiming support in my bid for county delegate. But after this piece I am inclined to believe you're like most Republicans in the Senate since your piece advocates "compromise", "political realities" etc. These tactics have gotten conservatives nothing over the last decade. You have used your ink not as an opportunity to attack liberal policy, but have ironically chosen to publicly slap Senator Lee - because why defend a fellow Republican when you can foment more party disunity like most Washington Republicans? Some of us believe the ship is sinking, so to speak, and only a few lone voices are willing to speak out forcefully, including Senator Lee. From this piece I'm inclined to think you don't agree, and that somehow a more unified but timid Republican Senate opposition will solve our problems. For the sake of our country I hope you're right, since you and others seem intent on bashing Lee, Cruz, the Tea Party, and pretty much anyone with actual passion for the sad state our country's in.

dmumford
Provo, UT

Also, to clarify, I don't disagree with everything in your piece, but I do find it comically hypocritical that your piece is on the dangers of alienating or publicly castigating your political allies, when that's exactly what you just did in writing this piece! If you were to follow your advice, wouldn't you have privately shared your thoughts with the senator, rather than publicly chastising him?

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

"I hope he will learn from this experience and work to repair relationships over time. I hope it’s not too late for him to recover."

[I hope Jon M. Huntsman Jr. tries another run for President and not the Senate. I hope I can now win the GOP nomination.]

high school fan
Huntington, UT

Seems like the author of this story doesn't like a person who stands up for his convictions. We don't elect people to get along, we elect them to do what is right. Maybe this is why the writer lost his last election, his convictions don't match those of the electorate.

ECR
Burke, VA

An excellent commentary on current conditions. It is interesting to consider the public perception of elected officials and then learn of their acts and deeds that didn't get the attention of the media or the public. Such a person was Senator Bob Dole who was instrumental in working across party lines to resolve issues between then President Reagan and House Speaker Tip O'Neill. His unselfish determination and his leadership in working for the American people first, and not just looking out for his own skin in the political game made the difference in avoiding situations like the one we are facing right now. That image never surfaced when he ran for president, at least not to my recollection. I'm glad he was there at the time.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

Sen. Mike Lee has done exactly why I voted for him. I will eagerly vote for him again. It is time that more stand up and quit trying to just get along. More Mike Lee's and less good old boys.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

In June, Lee’s favorability rating stood at 50 percent. In the latest poll, which wrapped up over the weekend, just 40 percent of voters had a favorable impression of Lee. His unfavorable rating was 51 percent in the most recent poll.

Even among Republicans, Lee’s favorability dropped from 71 percent to 57 percent.

The poll found 57 percent of all voters want to see Lee be more willing to compromise in the ongoing budget standoff.

Lee has strong support — 90 percent — from those who identify themselves as active in the tea party.

The poll was conducted by researchers at Brigham Young University’s Center for the Study of Elections and Democracy.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "We will likely never know what possessed this man to take his own life . . . ."

But, as the article attests, that certainly won't prevent liberals from appropriating these deranged acts for their own purposes, disingenuously blaming reasonable, rational, thinking conservatives for the irrational acts of a madman.

This is just sad.

And, it's going from bad to worse.

tenx
Santa Clara, UT

I doubt it.

The Skeptical Chymist
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

For once, I sincerely hope that Mr. Lilienquist is correct. I hope that Senator Lee has damaged himself so badly that his influence in the Senate will be quite limited. He is bad news for the state of Utah and for the United States.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

I often wonder what the Continental Congress approval rating would have been during the Revolution.

Shaun
Sandy, UT

@dmumford. Republicans are the minority right now. When you are in the minority you can't get what you want but hope to get something through compromise.

Shutting down the government or not increasing the debt limit should not be used to get what you want. What if the situation was reversed and the democrats were doing this in the House? Would republicans be congratulating them on being principled and not backing down?

LaFong
Springville, UT

We need more Mike Lees. He's doing a great job. We need less of Orin Hatch - a RINO. Go get 'em, Mike!

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

Yes. By all means, we need a senator that is more concerned with his own political power and in getting along and in promoting the status quo that got us into this mess in the first place; than one who stands up for what is right and represents the people who elected him by refusing to compromise his/her principles.

...oh wait, we already have a whole bunch of those kinds of senators.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Lee is right. The more uninsured Americans, the stronger America will be.
And while we're at it, let's not do anything about the out of control costs for medical care. That will make us even better.

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

Can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with Dan. I guess there's a first for everything. I am concerned, though, about the still large number of Utahns who for some reason think Mike Lee is not trying to destroy the country and perhaps even the world economy. The commenters here who support hit stunt scare me. Yes, I get it that you don't like Obama. I get it that you're tired of business as usual in Washington. But do you really think governmental and economic collapse is preferable? Come out of the right-wing echo chamber. See the consequences of your attitudes. The tea party is on the wane. You will never have enough power to do anything except obstruct and destroy. Why not shift toward reality a little and become part of a solution rather than the main cause of our problems? Do you really enjoy watching Lee destroy the very Constitution he thinks he understands?

Owen
Heber City, UT

"caught up in the intoxication of elected office, perhaps mistaking attention for influence, perhaps focused on developing their own celebrity with a view to higher office, would take every opportunity to lecture rather than listen, to posture rather than persuade, to criticize rather than communicate," said the pot to the kettle.

Although I would never vote for Mike again, by now it must be painfully obvious to everyone that Dan is using this media outlet to opportunistically position himself for the next open slot in D.C.

Lew Scannon
Provo, UT

A reminder to you tea party hardliners who support Mike Lee's underhanded tactics:

Republicans lost the presidency 322 electoral votes to 206 in 2012.
Republicans lost a net 2 seats in the Senate in 2012.
Republicans lost a net 6 House seats in 2012. (Yes, you lost 6 seats.)

This was a mild referendum on tea party ideas. It is nothing compared to what you have coming in 2014. After the Lee and Cruz extortion attempt and their very real threat to destroy the country and the Constitution, the tea party will be the best tool for the Democrats to woo the largest voting bloc in the country: independents. If I were you, I'd start looking for real solutions that the American people can accept. Basically, you've been reading the tea leaves wrong.

Deserthiker
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

I agree. While I support much of Lee's agenda, I believe he has selected a very counterproductive and ineffective strategy to promote it. His actions have only made it harder for the minority Republicans to work with and achieve anything with the Democrats. Worse, he has dramatically worsened the party's image with moderate, swing voters hurting the party's chances of regaining the Senate next year and the Presidency in 3 years. Only by winning the next two national elections can the Republicans really enact their agenda. While I do not doubt his sincerity in his beliefs, his methods of acting on those beliefs have made the party look extreme and juvenile in the eyes of much of the nation- making it much harder to achieve his goals.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Uuuummm... He's a freshman. Exactly what effectiveness did he have BEFORE this? Proposed nothing, passed nothing... talked a lot, but is that "effectiveness"??

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