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Published: Wednesday, Oct. 9 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Amen!

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Bravo, Jennica. Bravo!

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

And he's laughing at us all, while he's doing it.

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

Keep it up Mike; millions are with you and most Utahns (two thirds), in that recent Dan Jones poll, do NOT disapprove of you.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

So, if he's saying; jump, jump, who can afford to jump ship and leave the country.

Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

The train heading for the cliff has Ted Cruz as its engineer and Mike Lee as its conductor. Neither one is interested in pulling the brake lever.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

The real enemy here is the lawyer mentality on both sides. There's no way you're going to let the other side win. Lee, Reid, Cruz, Obama -- they're all trained advocates, but they do not have the reflex to find solutions. Their reflex is to win at any cost.

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

Seditious conspiracy (18 U.S.C. § 2384) is a crime under United States law. It is stated as follows:

“ If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both."

And this man expects to be the elder to save us. Something is askew in that man's mind.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Irony is right... The adversarial relationship in Washington is the problem.

Candidate Obama promise he would CHANGE Washington? Promised it wouldn't be politics-as-usual, more compromise, and less divided.

Has done that? Has he even TRIED to do that?

Can anyone name ONE THING that Obama has done to TRY to foster biparisansip and compromise in Washington?

Was his first act (locking all Republicans out of the room when designing ObamaCare) an effort to increase bipartisanship? If he thinks THAT's going to make politicians in Washington cooperate MORE... I have to question his leadership ability. Anybody who would do that and expect it to DECREASE partisanship or make Washington a more cooperative place... is not playing with a full deck. But I think Obama knew exactly what he was doing... and it had NOTHING to do with decreasing partisanship in Washington.

He never intended to change Washington OR he didn't know how to do it. Just look at the results! Washington is MORE divided! Republicans are half of the problem, but locking Republicans out and ramming legislation down without a SINGLE republican vote... was not a good start IF he wanted Unity.

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
Mr Lee's actions have done nothing to insure Tranquility, a point more prominent to the Founders than defense. Is this just another example of picking the parts he agrees with or is this a delusion that would have him swoop in to save us after he took it to the brink?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Irony Guy
If Obama gives anything it'll set a precedent (arguably 2011 did) where threatening default of the nation is a valid bargaining position when it shouldn't be.

SG in SLC
Salt Lake City, UT

atl134 makes an excellent point. Giving in to the House's demands under duress of the current shutdown and under threat of the impending debt ceiling default would be like opening Pandora's Box.

Maybe to illustrate that point to the House, essentially stating, "So, you want to enter the Brave New World of 'governance by extortion'? Well, two can play at that game", the Senate should take the whatever the current House funding bill is (with its odious anti-ACA rider *du jour* attached), attach a Senate rider requiring universal background checks on ALL firearm sales, pass the amended bill on the Senate floor, and send it back to the House for conference, with the message that the final bill HAS to include the background check rider as written, or it will be defeated in the Senate or vetoed . . .

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

Since we are talking train wrecks, let see what some of the Democrats who helped form the ACA have to say about it:

In April of this year Senator Max Baucus was asked about the ACA and what he could see coming. His response was "I just see a huge train wreck coming down".

In May of this year Senator Harry Reid "said he agreed with Baucus' comment."

Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), "echoed these concerns when he noted that the law would increase premiums for the young.

These aren't problems of poor implementation; they're problems of implementation, period. The last few weeks have yielded a treasure trove of evidence confirming criticism (which the Train Wreck Club now shares) that the Affordable Care Act has (a) not had the results that were promised and (b) that it may in fact have worsened health care in America."

Other Democrat senators have identified the train wreck that is the ACA. Some of them include Senator Jeanne Shaheen, Senator Tom Harkin, and Senator Ben Cardin.

If they could see a train wreck coming 6 months ago. The question is why are they allowing this to happen?

one old man
Ogden, UT

Redshirt, may we see some documentation of those supposed "quotations?"

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The ACA is a train wreck with or without Republican opposition.

I read an article today that said that 99% of people trying to sing up have run into a wall. Republicans didn't do that. Inept government not being able to setup a decent web site did that.

If they can't even setup a decent web site that's scalable and fault tolerant... why would we trust them to run our healthcare?

I realize they aren't completely running our healthcare today... but that's what some people want. I'm just looking ahead to the future. If THIS little change is such a train wreck... and Medicare and Medicaid are full of fraud and documented mis-management, and Social Security is a train headed to the cliff of insolvency... how is the Government doing to run the whole nation's healthcare without it becoming an even WORSE train wreck than it already is??

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

He made his place in history infamously.

RFLASH
Salt Lake City, UT

Oh, but he will save himself, won't he! It is absurd! He said that he would oppose Obama on everything and that is what he does, no matter what! Now, can anyone tell me of something he has done to better our country? Why do people vote for somebody who does such absurd things?

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

ugottabkidn: Nice definition of sedition and the need for "tranquility".

For those with partisan eyes, they only see the faults in their opponents (Mike Lee) and none in their guys (Obama, Reid, Polosi, etc.).

You could just as easily say those quotes apply directly to President Obama. He and his Attorney General have constantly sought "...to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States..." when it comes to immigration laws, voting intimidation laws, DOMA, etc. I guess the definition only applies to laws you support.

I can't decide who is trying the hardest to divide the nation and eliminate any tranquility - President Obama or Harry Reid. "My way or the highway" is not the "hope and change" we wanted in our government leaders.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "one old man" since you can't just google them yourself.

See "Baucus warns of 'huge train wreck' enacting ObamaCare provisions" in The Hill for the Senator Max Baucus quote.

See the USA Today article "The ObamaCare train wreck: Column" that uses the Baucus quote and has the Harry Reid quote, along with some interesting information that other Democrat Senators have offered regarding the ACA.

So again, why let the train wreck occur when even the architects of the bill see it as a failure?

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

Time for a reality check. All the revenue the federal government takes in now can't pay the social security, unemployment, and medicare that we pay today. We have to borrow to even cover that. Then there is national defense and all the other programs we are borrowing to cover, on top of the entitlement social programs.

If the social programs we have already implemented are eating up more than the revenue, how can it be sensible to add another social program like the ACA?

It isn't sensible. That is why the only sensible approach is to oppose it like the country's life depends on it, because it does.

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