Yeah BYU fans know all about a "signature win." What other school school
would go and sign a lame bowl contract before the season begins? LOL !
@Cougsndawgs3 more wins utes...just 3 more. If U can't do that in
your 3rd yr of conference membership it may be time for Utah fans to realize
that it's probably never going to happen (being consistently competitive
and respectable in the PAC12).--------------Never? It
maybe time for BYU fans to come up with something new talk about.Washington went 8-28 over 3 years (2007-2009) and now they are ranked in the
top 20. They did that with BCS players, with over 40+ years of PAC 8/10
recruiting.Utah with 3 years of PAC-12 recruiting is 16-14.As for this season, Utah WAS competitive in both our PAC-12 games. IMO Utah
is headed in the right direction. Since I'm a Ute season ticket holder,
and assuming BYU fans posting here are not, I would think my opinion holds more
weight.My prediction for the signature win tomorrow:We
win the TO margin... Stanford has a last second field goal blocked... The MUSS
rush the filed 30 seconds after the block...Utah 30 Stanford 28Go UTES!
BlutoNice job of playing connect the dots, what a reach. Why not
just cut to the chase and post the Utah vs BYU score?Can't do
that, because it's defining and absolute. No spin or connect the dots
@Vegas UteVirgnia? So what?Oregon State beat U and lost
to Eastern Washington.BYU and Oregon State will be bowling...and
Wow - Duckhunter is back from his Tulsa hiatus!Welcome back, sir.
Thank you for your continued support of all things Utah.We look
forward to a few more of your entertaining predictions. We always have a good
time with those."Where is Fangupo?"Thank you
trollers for making all Utah stories so popular!Go Utes!!Onward and Upward!!
What just continues to astound me is the byU "fans" that come on here
and bash Utah's record in the PAC 12, but forget that they lost to a
HORRIBLE Virginia team in the first game of the season! That first game locked
byU in to the mac and cheese nobody bowl in the first week of the season! How
sad. Then they lose their "Super Bowl" and their paper state
championship. What's a cougar fan to do?Oh well, at least you
have one game at home in November .... oh ya, it's Idaho State .... never
mind!Go Utes!Onward and Upward!!
Cougs dawnsI applaud your honesty and in sight. The sad news is that
you are the only BYU fan who does this. The rest of BYU fans use Utah articles
to blast there rival. How sad and it really doesn't say much for the fan
Keep knockin, Utes! You're literally right there. Keep up the thrilling
play, cut down on the turnovers, and you'll have some signature PAC-12
victories in no time!Go Utes!
Nothing better than sports to take the mind of our economic mess.After all, does it really matter who the best in Utah is?As
Hillary would say, "what difference does this make?".
utahcountyute"Funny that a "BYU" fan would admit that
their "signature" win was 40 years ago."Nope, the BYU
fan simply stated that BYU accomplished 40 years ago what the Utes have yet to
accomplish.Actually, BYU has dozens of accomplishments, that the
Utes have yet to accomplish, most importantly, the true signature
accomplishments of major college football team and individual achievement:A National Championship and a Heisman Trophy
Keep reminding Stanford that the U beat Weber St. 70-0 even without an on-side
kick. That'll scare them.
@tanman"Why do you all consider that Chris B is wrong to be
confident, sometimes over confident about his team? That's what a fan does.
They cheer for their team."It is the ridiculous hypocrisy of
utah "fans" on this subject that is the issue here. Each and every year
utah "fans", and christina in particular is right at the top of the list
of utah "fans" that do this, mock BYU fans for having hope and
confidence in our team. utah "fans" claim, falsely" that BYU fan
think BYU will win the national championship every single year, win a heisman
every year, etc. Then utah "fans" like christina hypocritically turn
around and predict utah will win every single game they play despite the fact
they have a massive losing record in the pac and are playing a team that
stnaford that will probably wipe the floor with them.It is the
hypocrisy, and it is rampant, that is the issue. Stop being hypocrites and
you'll probably stop getting criticized and having it pointed out what
deluded hypocrites many utah "fans" are. Simple as that.
Utah matches up well with Stanford. Stanford doesn't spread you out and
utilize speed and athleticism to beat U (Utah will see this in ASU &
Oregon...bad matchup for the utes). Stanford lines it up and plays power
football, which plays right into Utah's defensive strength. Stanford is a
50/50 team as far as run/pass, but they like to run the ball first. I think Utah
has a chance in this game. UCLA game being close shouldn't be a surprise to
anyone...Utah only lost by 7 at UCLA last year...again it's about matchups.
Good thing Utah doesn't play Washington this year because they do not
matchup well with them, or ASU...I'm going to go out on a limb and say they
don't matchup well with Oregon either. 3 more wins utes...just 3 more. If U
can't do that in your 3rd yr of conference membership it may be time for
Utah fans to realize that it's probably never going to happen (being
consistently competitive and respectable in the PAC12).
Funny that a "byU" fan would admit that their "signature" win
was 40 years ago. LolThe Utes are getting better and I think an
upset is not out of the cards.Go Utes!
@WJCOUGIE..."Enjoy your life with the "big boys". You are not
exactly getting what you expected, but you are definitely getting what you
deserve!"Enjoy life without being able to beat your rival
you're definitley getting what you deserve on the field where it matters 4
straight, 9 of 12 overall domination...LOLAll cougie fan's
here's whats really funny....All of you come back to life a few weeks after
yet again getting dominated by big brother on Sep 21st. We move on to playing
some of the best teams in the country have a close loss to the 12th ranked team
in country. Yet for some reason you think your better becasue you beat middle
tenn co-ed state and utah state without chuckie...LOL!Pitt 14
Virginia 3Ball State 48 Virginia 27Virginia 19 Cougies
16.....LOL!!4 in row, 9 of 12...Cougies still questing for the
perfection Utah did twice...LOL
As New Mexico is to the MWC,so is Utah to the PAC 12.The
evidence is there.
We've already won our bowl game why stress over the rest of the season?
"... you have officially hijacked our boards."Funny.
There's several of us Cougar homers not even commenting on this thread.But now that several of us are 'officially' dubbed as
'hijackers' let me get my two cents in...The signature PAC
10.2 win occurred last year when the Utes defeated Colorado.That is
No question about it, the winning team is the best in the state.4
years in a row proves thatUTAH > BYUscoreboard >
someones statistical make believeTo quote one of our former great
sports writers, “there are three types of liars in life: 1) a general lier
2) a gosh darn lier 3) then there are statistics”Sincerely,
@SportsFan:CBS will have BYU ahead of Utah next week.
Ute need to stop knocking on the door a kick it in. No time like the present, GO
Darth Vader"I think the Cougars are one notch below Eastern
Washington."Only a delusional Utah fan would think that:The Jeff Sagarin Ratings have BYU ranked 29th, Utah 34th and Utah State
38th. USA Today has BYU ranked 37th, Utah 49th and Utah State
58th.CBS Sports has Utah ranked 51st, BYU 52nd and Utah State
60th.Consensus? BYU > Utah > Utah St
Utah hasn't dominated BYU. The games could have gone either way.At the end of the year, the mighty ones go bowling. That's where you
find the champs.
I think the cougars are one notch below Eastern Washington. They lost to Oregon
State at home last year. However, they did make up for that loss
after beating Washington St, Weber St, Hawaii, Utah St, Idaho, and New Mexico
St. Those wins make them one again, you guessed it, the best team in the state.
Utes will get a signature PAC-12 win at some point. I would be shocked if they
beat Stanford this weekend because Stanford is likely the best team ever to come
and play against Utah at home, but not at all surprised if they took down
Arizona, Arizona State or USC this year. None of those three teams are going to
be likely ranked when the Utes meet, but all three likely will be bowl eligible
and are top fifty teams currently. They also represent the middle of the
conference along with Washington State and Oregon State. Perhaps a
signature win is one against the top third of the league (Stanford, Oregon,
UCLA, and Washington). That won't happen this year due to depth and injury
issues. But, eventually Utah will beat one of the top four teams in the league.
Utah should always beat the dregs of the conference which are Cal
This is hilarious. After all the chatter over the past four years or more about
going to the Rose Bowl, Southern Division champs, "we belong, you
don't", etc. etc. etc. Utes are still looking for a "signature"
win!As I said previously, this is exactly what 75% of all football
fans in the state predicted would happen when the Utes joined the PAC11+u! The
other myopic 25% are still trying to figure out what hit them!Enjoy
your life with the "big boys". You are not exactly getting what you
expected, but you are definitely getting what you deserve!Go
Thefullnancy"Most Ute fans don't care about BYU and most
BYU fans don't care about Utah."Don't be so naive. You
do realize, don't you, that "fan" is short for "fanatic,"
and that fans are their most fanatical when it comes to discussing their most
Utes, played a great game against UCLA. But... Stanford is perhaps better. IF
they beat Stanford the UCLA game will look like a warmup. If they get blown
out, look forward to playing USC. They are are big name... and beatable.
Yes they are!That the Utes will continue to have this opportunity
essentially every week of the season in the Conference of Champions irritates
team down south fans, almost as much as going 0-4!
First it was the Rose Bowl, now it's just getting a signature win. Whittingham is feeling the heat to do something he can't
It seems apparent from Chris B's comments that going to a bowl game---any
bowl game---is worse than sitting home for the holidays, just because
you're in the mighty PAC 12. Interesting logic to be sure. And one that
likely will be played out yet again this year.The only door being
answered for the Utes as they keep knocking on it, is the BASEMENT door in the
conference. LOL!!!Will Utah finally reach ten conference victories
against PAC 12 opponents this year? If not, it will take them 4 seasons. As of
last year they had won 7; so far this year they have won "7." Now
that's impressive........why don't I just 'Mark It Down?'
(Maybe they can actually beat Colorado this year in SLC since they didn't
do that the first try.) Which three teams will they manage to defeat? Oregon
State was one---oops, too late to count that as a "W" and now that a few
PAC 12 teams are ranked it isn't looking so good for the Utes. We'll
see. (Chris B had them going to the Rose Bowl after beating UCLA....too funny.)
Newsflash.........this just in. To all of you BYU and Utah posters (posers). BYU
does not have to be bad for Utah to be good and vice versa. Most Ute fans
don't care about BYU and most BYU fans don't care about Utah. Also,
your personal identity and worth is not tied to your team. You are not a better
person because Utah is in the PAC12 or because BYU is a religious school. You
are a fan. Like your team and have fun but don't be haters, trust me not
"Utah coach Kyle Whittingham said the Utes are "knocking at the
door" when it comes to securing a signature win. They opened Pac-12 play
with a 51-48 overtime loss to Oregon State and then dropped a 34-27 decision to
12th-ranked UCLA last Thursday."So Utah's close losses this
year are "knocking at the door", while BYU's close losses to Top 25
teams last year were completely dismissed by Utah fans?btw,BYU got their "signature win" against the PAC conference FORTY years
ago when BYU beat #17/#13 UCLA on October 1, 1983 in Pasadena. (UCLA beat
Illinois 45-9 in the Rose Bowl that season.)
@Dutchman:Look at the advertisements on the screen...The
more hits, the more money.
Good luck Utes. I think you have a chance, but it's a bit of a long shot.
You have the talent and the means to pull it off. It's just a matter of
getting all the "cylinders to fire in sync.", as they say. It would be a GREAT win for you. It would catapult you high in the respect
department in the PAC12, and across the entire FBS. It would be BIG news.
Congrats Y fans,you have officially hijacked our boards.
That's one domain you will probably never be knocked off your perch on the
top. You come here spouting non-sense that obviously stems from the fact that
the Y simply cannot beat Utah on the field.Ute fans cant even come
here to talk football anymore because "fans" of that other team just
come here and spout logical fallacies. Go Utes!
The comments on this board and all sports boards for that matter are so juvenile
one wonders why anyone would waste their time here. The comments add little if
any value to the discussion. I ask the Deseret News openly, what is the purpose
for having these comment boards?
Not so funny, witty, etc. "The difference is that BYU fans expect to win
every game and when that happens its a dissapointment (sic)." Huh??
@SoonerUteTrue dat about many BYU fans. Always calling for
Bronco's head, coaching and QB changes, etc... They don't check
reality and realize that it takes time to build a good team. Taysom could be
the real deal but they already called for his head after the Utah loss. Now he
is back in their good graces, but just wait Taysom, if you have a less than
stellar game there will be rumblings again. Then the Coug fans come
on here bashing the Utes less than adequate PAC 12 record while they are sitting
in an 0-4 situation against the Utes. They just can't shut their mouths.
I will be brutally honest - it will be MUCH more difficult for Utah to beat
Stanford than UCLA - and Utah lost to UCLA. If I remember correctly, UCLA had 9
freshmen on defense and a few injuries to their offense that hurt them in the
game. Stanford is therefore more stable, and experienced. Stanford
is incredibly disciplined and tough in the trenches. Yes, Utah is tough also in
the trenches, but lately Utah's offensive line seems very average to me,
while Stanford's defensive front 7 is incredible. I will hope for a Utah
win, but I won't be surprised if Stanford comes away with a win by 10, 14
or more points. Prove me wrong Utah!!!
At what point does the U get frustrated with all the knocking and no consistent
contending and fire KWhitt? He's been great for the program but as
times/circumstances change sometimes you have to change CEOs too, it could be
time for that to happen. How many more years can the U keep him onboard and
keep losing a majority of conference games?
LOL, this is really amusing. Silver lining to losing conference games is that
they're knocking on the door. Stop knocking and start winning. And not
just an upset here or there but winning consistently.@ChrisB seems
to forget that the U was SUPPOSED to have taken the PacSouth title their first
year in the conference, it's only been downhill since then. The loss to
Oregon State sums that up. The U will be VERY lucky to get a bowl
bid this year. Sorry U, but that's the case.Let's start
making Oregon final score predictions...
The difference is that BYU fans expect to win every game and when that happens
its a dissapointment. Utah fans think they can win and when they dont, they are
use to it so it doesn't bother them.
What's interesting are the "fans" that see victory in defeat.The byu "fans" set the bar for the Utes and keep raising it. I
like that. What they expect from the Utes is different than what
they expect from the cougars. I like that too. Go Utes.
Maybe a win against Cal and Colorado will be good "moral victories".
I wouldn't be surprised if Utah beat USC this year, only due to the likely
dismal SC season, it won't be as big of a win as if they beat Stanford.
Good luck on that one.
SoonerUteSalt Lake City, UTSuch an interesting contrast in fan
bases. Utah fans see progress even in losses, and that sort of optimism
completely grinds at Cougar fans.===It's OK to have high
expectations. Other fans are fine with losing.Neither is right or
wrong. I don't think it has to do with t-shirts, but history and tradition.
Knocking on the door?how about not even in the yard yet.
If Utah fans were like Cougar fans, they'd call for a quarterback change
after the loss to OSU. They'd call for a new offensive coordinator after a
loss to UCLA. If they lost to Stanford, they'd start a "Hire Andy
Reid" petition.Such an interesting contrast in fan bases. Utah
fans see progress even in losses, and that sort of optimism completely grinds at
Cougar fans. Maybe wearing a Quest For Perfection t-shirt skews your view of
I'm not sure why everybody is bagging on Chris for being a fan. Every week
I watch the Utes play expecting them to win. Otherwise, why would I go? What fun
is it to go to a game and expect your team to lose? For the BYU "fans"
who come onto these boards spouting off on how horrible the Utes are against PAC
12 teams, always remember, you CAN'T beat us. We've proven it for four
years straight. Those who depend on other teams to do what yours can't are
not really fans, just haters.
Utah keeps knocking and yet no one will answer. Utah has an average program...
I love how some Utes fans have revisionist history in claiming that Utah was a
powerhouse in the Mountain West. They had a few excellent years in the MW,
however the rest were mediocre, at best.Not sure why U. fans think
that they will be a powerhouse in the PAC-12. Wyoming comes to mind... average
team, beat a few great teams, but were always "knocking on the door".
I'm thinking Utah is the new Wyoming of the PAC.Hey Chris B...
should I be marking down anything this week. Texas beating BYU, Utah State
beating BYU, Utah beating Oregon State, Utah beating UCLA...do I need to mark
down Utah beating Stanford? Even a dead clock shows the right time once in a
I personally see Utah getting a win, as I don't really think the PAC sees
them as a threat. Will they ever be a consistent winner? If we look at history,
how many WAC and MWC football titles did Utah win? Whether playing
in the WAC with WAC talent, or in the PAC with PAC talent, Utah will always be
looking for signature wins. However, Utah will probably never be the team
Chrissy believes them to already be.
Hawkeye, I'm not sure what your point is. My point is this, make fun of
Utah struggling in the second best conference all you want:Best Pac
12 teams > Utah > byu.However "bad" we are,
Chris B,And still, even the Vegas betting lines had BYU as a
favorite over Utah. Why would that be?I understand being a fan and
cheering on your team. I also understand predicting wins within reasonable
constraints. What confuses me are those individuals who blindly predict wins
for their team every week regardless of the opponent. That's the point
where fandom turns into homerism.Overconfidence in a team's
ability week-in and week-out is not a good look for anyone.
How does that song go?"I hear you knocking, but you can't
@Hawekey,And yet you still predicted them to win every game and
instructed people to "mark it down." Why would you do that if you knew
that they were clearly outclassed?The same reason most byu fans
predicted a byu win over Utah, even though Utah(per all recruiting websites) say
Utah has better players than byu. Was that really that hard?
@HawkeyeWhy do you all consider that Chris B is wrong to be
confident, sometimes over confident about his team? That's what a fan does.
They cheer for their team.
Chris B"I'm admitting that our athletes 4 years ago were not
nearly as talented as most of your Pac 12 schools."And yet you
still predicted them to win every game and instructed people to "mark it
down." Why would you do that if you knew that they were clearly outclassed?
Hawkeye,I'm admitting that our athletes 4 years ago were not
nearly as talented as most of your Pac 12 schools. I also point out that all
recruiting services show a big improvement in recruiting these days for the utes
compared to our MWC days. I think that is the biggest reason for our Pac 12
struggles. However, the gap between Utah and the other Pac 12 schools has
decreased significantly. I also think its one of the biggest reasons we beat
byu year after year after year. We have better athletes. No, I didn't see
it was the only reason. It doesn't guarantee success, but it certainly
helps to have better athletes than your opponent.P.S. Did you know
that every year since our Pac 12 invite more kids have picked Utah when they had
both Utah and byu offers?Ouch! That hurt? I guess even the best
Mormon kids like the idea of Pac 12 Utah over WAC/indy byu. If that
doesn't scare you about byu's "future", it should. Those
kids used to be byu locks, but are more and more picking Utah these days.
there are many "b"'s making comment... how about utah getting a win
in the pac12 let alone a "signature" win.see how the pac12
helps you in the rankings when local teams finish ahead of u.I hear
pac12 decals out sell u decals in slc.
Keep it close boys. Coach whitt loves a good moral victory. 3-9, but undefeated
in the state. Do you think Gary will leave Wisconsin so soon?
@AlteregoI think then that must be pretty embarrassing for BYU to be 3
levels below EWU, I think that puts them right between Stevens Henager and
Wasatch Academy of the Arts. Congrats!
Chris, in your next meeting with the Utah coaching staff, make sure you remind
them that the Utes are two steps below Eastern Washington one step below Oregon
State and UCLA and one step above BYU and Weber State.
Welcome to the party Ute fans. Please feel free to meet at the back door with
the rest of us. Best Regards, Kansas FanVanderbilt FanDuke FanIowa State FanWashington State Fan
Hi Chris B,So, as an individual who predicts that the Utes will win
every game and instructs people to "mark it down," are you admitting
that you expected all along that the Utes would lose most of their games?
Logically speaking, I really do think that we have a chance to win this game!
Our rush defense is one of the best in the conference. Our Defense can stop
their rush attack. Our defense has an Identity. I think if all cylinders of our
team are clicking. We can make it a great game!!GO Utes!!!Good Luck Utah St. and BYU as well!!
@ Chris Bseriously? Utah is the Vanderbilt of the Pac-12. Vandy upsets
people as well.
@Hawkeye,The difference between Utah almost winning against the
great teams of the Pac 12 and you almost beating Utah, is we have acknowledge
since our Pac 12 invite it would take a few years for us to catch up, mostly in
recruiting, to the Pac 12 teams to the point we were equal with them. We've
made big gains(again our recruiting has improved quite a bit from our average
mwc recruits). There are reasons we have struggled, and those reasons are being
addressed. It's not like we play byu-quality opponents 12 times a year. WE
play true national powers. Are you acknowledging you are a step(or
two) below Utah? You don't seriously think almost beating UCLA
is the exact same as you almost beating us do you? What this means
is that whatever level we're at, you're one step below. So yes, mock
us for being a step below UCLA, Oregon State. Guess what? You're TWO
steps below them and one step below us.LOL
At 7-13 in the PAC 10.2, Utah needs any kind of win.
@ Chris BUtah is not a power house and never will be. They
can't contend with the Big Boys, the only reason they are in the pac 11+u
is because it will give other teams a little break as they play their schedules.
Down under/But seriously/Utah rules, again, glad to see you've fully
recovered from that apparently near-fatal illness that struck some time late
I wonder if Utah fans would argue that it is good news for BYU (or bad news for
Utah) that they are "knocking at the door" when it comes to getting a
win over Utah.If BYU "almost winning" isn't seen as
good news for BYU, then I don't see why "almost winning" should be
seen as good news for the Utes.
Remember when everyone said we'd lose by 20 to UCLA? If Wilson only threw
2 picks we win that game by 14. Heck, even if he only throws 5 picks we still
win. I'm even more confident about this team after the UCLA game than I
was before, even with the tough loss. That big win is coming, and there will be
no looking back once it does. It is only solidify us as a serious Pac 12
contender and head and shoulders above the regional programs here in Utah that
aren't in power conferences.Utah 32Stanford 27
I don't see any signature wins this year unfortunately. The Utes may make
it to a bowl game in 2014 but not this year.
They may be knocking but the door is shut, locked tight and the conference has
moved on. Their only wins will be against Colorado if they are lucky.
Good luck to the Utes. They are a quality program that has the ability to beat
even a top ranked #5 if they put their mind to it. The U has always been good
as an 'upset' team and they need to channel some of that energy. I
assume the jump to a big conference has messed with the psyche and they need to
regain that underdog edge until they can join the perennial top tier.
We already got a signature win when we won weber and that means we get to a bowl
game now for sure. But no worry because we will win the rose bowl anyway.