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Gov. Gary Herbert to President Obama: Let Utah run national parks

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  • Bob K porland, OR
    Oct. 11, 2013 1:51 a.m.

    Open the parks, setting a precedent that is shady, so that my constituents can make money on their hotels and restaurants.

    Don't expect me to criticize the ridiculous republican taking the US Government hostage to 30 crazy tea party members

    Don't expect me to tell the republican Congress that extortion is not only unseemly, but a sin.

    And, very sadly, don't expect other commenters here and many Utahns to notice that using all extraordinary means to discredit the President and sneak around the law is against the very principles of America, as well as contrary to Jesus, who is Lord to most Utahns.

  • southmtnman Provo, UT
    Oct. 10, 2013 3:35 p.m.

    Let me be clear.

    The idea of taking over federal lands in Utah on a permanent basis is foolishness. But the temporary management of the National Parks, just until the idiots Cruz, Lee, and their cadre of Mad Hatters come to their senses or are expelled from the House, well, I think that temporary measure has some merit.

    The comments pointing out that the people of Utah did not "own" the land first are spot on. Without the Federal Government and the rights to own property allocated to the States, Utah has nothing.

  • Elsten Ft. Pierce, FL
    Oct. 9, 2013 11:15 p.m.

    There's certainly room to debate this statement from the Sierra Club fedbots:

    ""It's that federal control that came from the people of Utah and every state that resulted in those federally owned parks, monuments and wilderness areas that have benefited generations of Utahns.""

  • CB Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 7:28 p.m.

    In some places the National Park service employees have been decent and stood aside, recognizing
    that they work for the American people and not a 'churlish child'. In other places they have
    behaved as if they were the Gestapo, chasing down people who are exercising, just to ticket them.
    Easy to see how there are those so attached to their 'leader' they lose their sense of decency.
    This is not "Obama's land", it is our land and if we are willing to stand the expense of keeping
    the parks open, then that should be our option, not his. Again, he's "Cutting off his Nose to spite his Face". except it keeps growing longer every other time he opens his mouth.

  • Gof kaysville,, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 6:29 p.m.

    Look who's misinformed. Read the state constitution. The national guard may not belong to the Governor 100%,but the State guard does.They are totaly under his control.

  • justamacguy Manti, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 6:27 p.m.

    100% the result of the Republican party? Um, hasn't it been the Democrats that doubled the national debt?

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 5:07 p.m.

    @Gof

    "We have been fighting this in court anyway. Herbert needs to have the man parts to take the state guard down there and take parks. If the Feds want them back they can take us to court."

    The absolute funniest and most mis-informed post of the day goes to Gof.

    If you think Governor Herbert can just call up the Guard to go open the parks, I recommend you read up on a little incident that happened at Little Rock Central High School in 1957 when the governor called up the National Guard. The Guard troops were federalized and they were activated into the US Army. The Utah National Guard does not belong to the Governor to use at his whim like that. If he were to call them up, before email would be forwarded to the soldiers, President Obama could activate them, superseding the governor's orders. The National Guard received almost all of it's funding from the federal government.

    The ignorance of Utahns on how the Guard operates astounds me.

  • Gof kaysville,, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 4:55 p.m.

    We have been fighting this in court anyway. Herbert needs to have the man parts to take the state guard down there and take parks. If the Feds want them back they can take us to court.

  • postaledith Freeland, WA
    Oct. 9, 2013 4:20 p.m.

    It is not Obama's fault that the government shut down. It's Boehner and the Tea Party.

  • kiddsport Fairview, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 2:51 p.m.

    Let me see, the Republican House has sent four bills (CRs) to the Senate to keep the remaining 17% of the government operating and how many of those bills has the Democrat controlled Senate voted on? Uh well, there was the one that told the House to shove it. Other than that, no negotiations, no compromise, no discussion, no civility is forthcoming from the left. Don't tell me it's 100% a Republican shutdown. It 100% discretion of the Executive branch of government that determines what is allowed: Amber Alert, NO. Michelle's web site, YES. WW II vets on the mall, NO. Illegal immigrants on the mall, YES. Long-time residents of Lake Mead (even before there was a Lake Mead), NO. Congressional gym, YES. If you don't see the hypocrisy and vindictiveness, you are part of the problem.

  • RedneckLefty St. George, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 12:47 p.m.

    Those of you who think this is "revenge" on the part of Obama against Utah have a very, very inflated sense of importance. What hubris, to think that, with the world economy of the brink of disaster, agencies vital to our national security crippled, vulnerable populations (like pregnant women and children) in desperate need of assistance, vets with benefits applications that can't be processed -- with all that going on, NOW you complain that there aren't any tourists coming to your town because your elected Republican representatives pushed for a government shutdown?

    What an incredible case of petty, oblivious self-centeredness. Let the world go to heck because we elected Tea Party extremists who want to shut down the government -- but as soon as that comes back to bite me, only then do I complain (and worse, blame it on Obama instead of myself!).

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 12:04 p.m.

    Where's Representative Chris Stewart in all this. He is the Representative for all of southern Utah. It's as if he is too busy giving interviews about his new book to give a hoot about the people in his own district.

  • RN4moms Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 11:47 a.m.

    Better still - send the money it takes back to the states, turn the land over to the states and keep it out of the hands of the greedy feds. Our government has grown too big and they are manipulating people through this, stealing our natural resources that belong to the people. in many places, people would rarely be needed to maintain. If it's costing us so much to pay the revenue collectors that allow us entry into the sites, maybe they should go back to the natural wilderness they should be without being charged to see what exists naturally. Maybe it's time to determine what are "essential" services here.

  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 11:38 a.m.

    The President has said he will negotiate ....AFTER the GOP caves in on every issue. There goes all their leverage...the country HATES Obamacare...can't we make some reasonable changes to it?

  • joeandrade Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    Herbert - contact Boehner and every member of the Utah delegation and tell them to vote on a straight up funding bill - with no extortions, ransoms, or hidden agendas. It will pass - and the Parks will open. Simple.

  • gittalopctbi Glendale, AZ
    Oct. 9, 2013 11:11 a.m.

    @RedneckLefty The hypocrisy and childishness of the president is what is breathtaking.

    If the GOP is the cause of the shutdown, then wow, they finally had the gumption to do something right and that surprises me. If it means defunding Obamacare, something for which my family cannot afford to pay any premiums and cannot afford to pay the penalty--er, TAX--for not purchasing it, then I'm willing to live with this faux "shutdown" by the pres for as long as it takes. It's just reaping embarrassment on him, anyway.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    3rd try...
    ute alumni@ Brooklyn "I love the fact you are commenting regarding Utah. "

    Ya see we live in the United States of America, and these are National Parks Not Utah's "real estate" (which is telling that you call it that) meaning that it belongs to All Americans not just petty short sighted men who wish to sell our children's inheritance to the highest bidder.

    ...the ignorance shown daily in these comments about the cause of the shutdown is astounding.

  • sandyj Brigham City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 9:40 a.m.

    I heard Arizona's governor asked if her state could keep the Grand Canyon open with their state funds and they turned her down. It's time for every state to take back their parks.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2013 9:33 a.m.

    Well, of course the federal government will be happy to accommodate the wants and needs of Governor Herbert's Utah.
    Utah's legislature has worked harder than any other state to work with President Obama!

  • Eliyahu Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 9:07 a.m.

    Setting aside for the moment the fact that the State of Utah has no legal basis or authority to run or manage federal parks and lands, this looks suspiciously like an attempt to use a back-door to take over the parks since the Governor hasn't been able to do it legally. Having the parks closed is an inconvenience, far less significant than people who are going hungry and people who are on leave without pay due to the shutdown. Let's get some priorities straight here.

    The various Sheriff's offices that are volunteering to handle Federal Park issues are the same ones that are usually complaining that they're understaffed and underfunded. Where did they suddenly get all the extra manpower and funds to take on another job?

  • Prodicus Provo, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 8:29 a.m.

    Yeah, that will work wonderfully. Just like our woefully underfunded and neglected state parks program. We cannot even properly run the parks we have.

    SNtB, if you think parks need neither rangers nor buildings, you have no idea what goes on there. Do you think millions of tourists will keep coming to parks with no bathrooms, parks loaded with trash and graffiti, where unmaintained trails are eroded and hazardous, there are no visitors centers or programs, and nobody maintains order or provides law enforcement or emergency services?

    Uninformed people discuss a "federal land grab" and "taking it back." The land has belonged to all Americans since the Mexican Purchase. In many cases we begged the Feds to manage it after poor private and state management had disastrous results. For instance, TR created the Manti Forest Reserve at the insistence of George Sutherland and Sanpete citizens after overlogging and overgrazing caused horrible flooding and typhoid-contaminated drinking water.

    I am normally big on states rights, but many states, including ours, have horrible land management track records and would only take a few years to ruin any lands they took over.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 8:07 a.m.

    States Rights!

    Question for Gov. Gary...

    Who is going to pay...and keep paying for this new enterprise?

    "...He asks the president to authorize Utah absent federal funds to use state, local and private money to reopen and manage the parks...".

    "...private money to...manage the parks...".

    "...manage...".

    What would that look like?

    Let me guess...

    Appoint a real estate salesman to sell off pieces of the parks to the highest bidder (or lowest bidder if the bidder is a friend of the salesman)?

    Perfect.

  • Martin Blank Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 6:56 a.m.

    I'd be much more supportive if Mr. Herbert were talking about, say, fully funding the WIC program and feeding women and children in crisis than opening federally owned and run parks. As has been mentioned, there are a host of legal and logistical issues that I don't think have been considered, or considered enough. Do we really have the resources to run Glen Canyon National Recreation Area, for example? Will Utah be on the hook for any search and rescue efforts in Zion or Arches? How do we have the money for that if we've been closing "unpopular" state parks? What happens when someone (either in the state parks department or a private citizen) decides that since it's the state running things that "wilderness areas" aren't off-limits to motorized vehicles anymore?

  • fluwoebers Fairfax, VA
    Oct. 9, 2013 5:44 a.m.

    This is petty and vindictive behavior by the president. For many of the parks, shutting them down requires more money and resources than leaving them open. There is no justification for this.
    It is time for UT (and every state) to assert authority over it's territory.

  • ute alumni paradise, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 5:34 a.m.

    Brooklyn
    I love the fact you are commenting regarding Utah. Take a look at the great politicians that hail from ny. You may want to worry about them

  • RedneckLefty St. George, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 11:20 p.m.

    The hypocrisy and childishness of the GOP is breathtaking. This shutdown is 100% the work of the Republican party. But then when it starts to hurt, the Republicans ask Obama for a Band-Aid.

    Shut the CDC, FDA, WIC, bridge inspectors, dam inspectors, tax advisors, and a hundred other things. But suddenly, it affects them, and all of the sudden it's "Hey wait a second that's not what I meant!"

    You ask for small government, you get small government.

    Also, from a purely strategic standpoint, why in the world would the White House care about making Utah angry. Utah will never be an electorally competitive state. Which means that Republicans know that no matter how bad they screw up they'll never lose the Utah vote, and Democrats know that no matter how many things they do for Utah, they'll never win the Utah vote.

    That's what you get when you have one-party rule, folks: you become completely irrelevant to national politics. I bet Obama has already been on the phone with Chaffetz and Lee, chuckling, saying "Gee, guys, sounds like your shutdown is hurting your pals back home!"

  • mountainlocal Brooklyn, NY
    Oct. 8, 2013 9:26 p.m.

    Utah is really calling for favors when their state senator is one of "the principled" who orchestrated the government shut down. Gov. Herbert needs to press those within his own party and state. Reaching to the enemy for a handout during a time of war is kind of pathetic and naive. No way does Obama grant access and why would he?

  • UteMiguel Go Utes, CA
    Oct. 8, 2013 9:18 p.m.

    I cannot fathom why anyone thinks a response from the Sierra Club is relevant to this issue.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 8:54 p.m.

    @Hutterite

    Actually, only 17% of the government is officially shutdown. 83% is still operating. This IS vindictive. I know because the same guy who shut down the White House tours is the guy who decides what gets closed during a government shutdown. If the state has money to do it, Obama ought to say 'fine.' But that would defeat his sole purpose here.

  • Blue Bolshevik Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 8:52 p.m.

    Now that's funny. Have y'all seen the shape state parks are in? Abysmal and filthy.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Oct. 8, 2013 8:31 p.m.

    Clearly the shutdown has shown we are too dependent on the Fed government. The state can manage its own beautiful country just fine, in fact better than the national gov.

  • gittalopctbi Glendale, AZ
    Oct. 8, 2013 7:41 p.m.

    Oh, right Sierra Club Mr. Wagner--Sen. Lee is solely responsible for the shutdown. You obviously didn't read the bill that was voted on. And even if he was, the manner in which the president is acting in this is totally childish, petty, and shameful.

    As one who is a frequent user of national parks, I USED to respect the National Park rangers. No longer.

  • ParkCityAggie Park City, Ut
    Oct. 8, 2013 7:05 p.m.

    Feds should not own anything in this state HA, that's a hoot! Uh I seem to recall the Federal Government purchasing virtually the entire State of Utah from Mexico via the treaty of Hidalgo. And it's like the State has as a great track record of being such a great steward of the land. We'd have friends of Herbert and the lawmakers drilling for fools gold in the middle of Kolob Canyon. And didn't we have a budget crises here not to long ago and we ourselves threatened to shut down some state parks? Yea great idea.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 8, 2013 6:11 p.m.

    Gov. Herbert should be asking the ringleader, Sen. Lee, not Obama.

    UT ranks in the top 10 of states with the most federal employees per capita.

  • southmtnman Provo, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 6:10 p.m.

    I think this is a bold idea from Herbert.

    I kind of like it.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 6:05 p.m.

    I thought Obama said he was all for JOBS?

    Tourist dollars bring jobs.

    Was Obama fibbing when he said he wanted JOBS?

    Or did he mean he just wanted guvmint JOBS?

  • deserthound Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 5:43 p.m.

    Back at ya, Mike.

    “These [politicians] are willing and able to wield tremendous influence in a manner that serves the political ambitions of the few at the expense of the many."

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 5:42 p.m.

    A shutdown is a shutdown, not just of the stuff you don't care about. It wasn't vindictive in that sense, it was across the board. If you don't like it, take it up with congress. As for the parks, is the state going to pay to run them? What revenue would accrue to the state from people with existing park passes? If there is a major disaster or even a lawsuit from a missing hiker, who would step up to the plate? The state? I think it's foolish to simply see the NPS as simply an absentee land owner. They actively preserve these places for all of us and for posterity.

  • trueblue87 Provo, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 5:37 p.m.

    I feel that Utah should just run the parks permanently.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 5:29 p.m.

    Obama to Herbert -> NO!

  • ute alumni paradise, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 5:09 p.m.

    gary,
    take back all of utah's real estate. feds should not own anything in the state.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 4:59 p.m.

    We don't need the rangers or the buildings.
    Just leave the roads and the parking lots open.