Published: Wednesday, Oct. 9 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
Updated: Tuesday, Oct. 8 2013 8:51 p.m. MDT
Where's the same outcry for the private sector job loss? My office laiid
off 50% of their workforce in 2009 and not much was done in their defense.
Government workers are not a special category of workers. It is devastating for
all workers who are laid off, furloughed, or downsized. I feel for government
workers just as I do private sector workers. The real problems lie in policy.
The current stifling policies are devastating our economy and country. The
blame can be debated as will likely be done here but again government workers
are not special. Their predicament is unfortunate and sad like so many others
Once again, a reasonable argument from Professor Davis. But reason is something
the Republican extremists can't comprehend. They won't listen to
reasonable members of their own party who are calling their bluff.
Oh my. I feel their pain. The company I worked for was bought out by a Korean
company in 2000. I lost my job due to redundancy/downsizing in 2001. A year
later I found another job with a small company (and a 24K cut in pay). In 2008
they closed their doors and I was once again looking for work. It would take me
three years and another cut in pay to find my present job.It's nice
to see the government workers have some skin in the game. But they will get back
pay and be called back. And they will get a nice pension and five mental health
days a year.Not exactly the real world but a nice dose of reality
isn't a bad thing.
Only 800,000? That's only about 0.25% of the population -- about 1 in 400
people. In the world of Real Americans like Boehner, Lee, Cruz, and Rubio, that
wouldn't be enough votes to be worth buying. Trust Mr. Davis to try and
make it out to be more -- as if government workers had anything to actually
contribute to America's capital base! These aren't "Real American
families" because they have no significant assets to invest. They are just
business expenses -- and business expenses don't "struggle."#TULIP: I agree with you about policy. There are more than 600
lobbyists in D.C. for every Rep and Senator -- most of them are there
representing businesses and trade groups. They work very hard to write the
policy that benefits their employers, (because Congress and the President are
generally clueless about what needs to be done). Public policy, therefore,
becomes another weapon in the capitalist's arsenal to preserve business
advantages over competition and limit interference from The Labor Mob and
liberal bleeding hearts. One of the goals is to preserve profitability without
having to create more costly jobs. Unfortunately for the peasant class,
that's how the Founding Fathers intended for the system to work.
Federal employees are victims of an inept Congress, as are we all. Yet to pay
them for time they didn't work would be a ludicrous double whammy: the
taxpayer is denied services, then required to pay anyway. Congress has created
this mess. Let Congress take the heat.
I found it actually gratifying that the House voted 410-0 to compensate the
federal workers for their lost pay during this shutdown, but then I thought
about this more deeply...How incredibly ridiculous is it for these
people to be paid to *not* work? This is the epitome of "stupid",
irrationality on steroids. Isn't this the "moral hazard" we always
hear about, like "too big to fail" and the dangers of providing
assistance to single mothers?Republicans are OK with paying people
to do anything except actually work, but we need to close down the government to
kill a program that protects children from insurance companies jacking up their
insurance rates from a pre-existing condition? Can anyone reconcile these two
positions?These guys are evidently trying to get into the Guiness
Book of World Records for a chorus of incoherent non-sense.
Re: ". . . reason is something the Republican extremists can't
comprehend."Yeah, they just can't seem to comprehend it
when Democrats demand budget "compromise," but define the term to mean
"abject, unconditional fiscal surrender."The irony is that
four times now, Republicans have passed continuing resolutions that fund every
nickel of Dems' [and Republicans'] deranged budget, including all the
pork, all the vote-buying, all the touchy-feely programs -- everything except
Obamacare, a program even Democrats admit is a train wreck that needs to be
reworked.Each time, Congressional Democrats and the Obama regime
rejected it, offering absolutely nothing, as a counter to the House proposal.Now the President claims he remains willing to talk to Republicans, but
not to compromise on a single budget issue.Yeah, those recalcitrant
Republicans, who represent and speak for nearly half of America [something north
of 70 percent, on the Obamacare issue], are the sole problem. Not those
"reasonable" Democrats, who represent a dwindling couple percent more
[but only on non-Obamacare issues].And Democrats somehow believe
You're absolutely right, procuradorfiscal. Compromise is essential to good
governance, and it's time that the Democrats got on board.So .
. . using the House Republicans' example of the spirit of compromise, here
is what I propose:The Senate should take whatever the current House
CR bill is (with its anti-ACA rider *du jour* attached), attach a Senate rider
requiring universal background checks on ALL firearm sales and banning magazines
with an ammunition capacity greater than 12, pass the amended bill on the Senate
floor, and send it back to the House for conference, with the message that the
final bill HAS to include the background check/high-capacity magazine rider as
written, or the Senate Majority Leader will not allow the
"conference-reconciled" bill on the floor for a vote. That
sounds like a pretty fair compromise, don't you think? Certainly at least
as fair as what the House is offering to the Senate and President, right? What
say you?? It would never fly??! Well!! How very UNCOMPROMISING of the House
you can be sure that Barack won't forget them as he plays golf on FEDERAL
government golf courses which of course are all open for business. I understand
that the capitol gym is also open for business for all our wonderful
Re: "That sounds like a pretty fair compromise, don't you
think?"It's certainly every bit as fair as the compromise
Democrats have offered to date -- which is absolutely NO compromise.Thanks for making my point.
@procuradorfiscalThe Democrats have accepted House spending levels on
gov't to the point that discretionary spending is lower than it was in the
original Ryan plan. Compromise is the fact that Democrats aren't fighting
to undo some of the sequestration cuts they wanted to get rid of for instance.
Apparently having House numbers on 99% of the budget isn't enough for
UT ranks in the top 10 of states with the most federal employees per capita.
Senator Lee actions are hurting UT's economy.
Re: "The Democrats have accepted House spending levels on gov't to the
point that discretionary spending is lower than it was in the original Ryan
plan."Yet, even under those levels, deranged spending is STILL
higher than it has ever been at any point in US history.Budget
proposals that just keep growing our deranged national debt are anti-American
and will destroy us, hurting the poor most of all. Notwithstanding, Republicans
have been, perhaps too willing to compromise on the budgetary "thousand
cuts" that may kill us down the road.But they're certainly
correct in resisting the 10,000-pound bomb that implementation of Obamacare
would be to the American economy, quickly and permanently cratering it and any
chance for future recovery.
How about we show concern for the American people! Over the last 5 years the
average American family has seen its income shrink 10 percent. Government
employees, who are rarely laid off, have seen salaries grow - especially when
health benefits are included. In fact, in 2012, federal civilian workers had an
average wage of $81,704. The average wage in the private sector was $54,995.
Now you have to buy health insurance or pay an additional tax. The federal
workers will still get their health care paid by our tax dollars.I
do not want anyone to lose their job, but the tears are not yet forming for the
federal employees. This is especially true in that they usually get back pay as
soon as the funding issues are worked out. In other words, they are on an
indefinite paid vacation.
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