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After only five weeks, however, head to head still rules

Published: Monday, Oct. 7 2013 5:30 p.m. MDT

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Salt Lake City, UT

Well duh! Utah gets up for one game year and then folds. BYU plays out the season. We just need to trust the experts and not chris b.

Sandy, UT

Teams currently ranked on byu's schedule: zero
Teams currently ranked on utah's schedule: four

Rankings don't totally take into account strength of schedule, or a Texas AM team that barely lost to Alabama wouldn't have dropped in rankings. And northern Illinois last year wouldn't have made it to top 15

Utah is the best team and proved in on the field. Again

Ogden, Utah

Pollsters also had Texas at 15 and Boise State at 19 preseason and look where they are now.
I always go with the scoreboard.

2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0
Ogden, UT

Utah is 18-4 against lowly teams Utah state and byu the last 9 years.

That is why we are moving towards other teams like Michigan(home and home) and Fresno.

Beating byu and usu is not seen as a good win(see nation mocking Texas for losing to byu)

Fresno is as prestigious as byu and is seen as a better win.

West Jordan, UT

The polls are a beauty contest, particulary the Coaches poll. BYU is getting votes because they are coming off of two wins and a win over Texas, which has some big name appeal. But head to head wins trump all, and, however painful it may be to admit for Cougar fans, Utah is the best team in the state this year, by virtue of their head to head wins over BYU and USU. Scoreboard is all that matters.

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

And after Utah beats Stanford 32 to 27?

With 6 picks and taking an undefeated top 15 to the last play? Utah is proving to be much improved from last year and its only a matter of time before we start winning these games. And when that happens the quietness in Provo will be deafening. Utah's talent is much better than byu's. and to think if we only played byu 12 times a year we would go bcs bowling every year.

But I would rather play with big boys.


For now it's the UofU, but if they continue to get beat in conference, it's the Y. I can understand if the utes thump their chest if they're sporting a competitive/respectable record in the PAC 12, but they aren't. They're sub .500. BYU is their Super Bowl and they've earned those bragging rights, but that's it. They won't win more than 6 games this year. 6-6 at best, which is somewhat respectable, but nothing to yell and scream about, like Krissy B does.

The Moose
Southern, UT

And how about we rank Duchesne ahead of Alta in high school football. After all, they have more wins.

Highland, UT

Yes utah definitely has the head to head bragging rights, that is inarguable.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA


What do you mean "for now it's the UofU"? Utah won. Utah beat BYU and USU on the field. There's no need to speculate about which team is better, no need to compare records or rankings. All teams have played head to head...Utah is first, BYU second, USU third. Period.

It won't matter if Utah loses the rest of their games by 60 or if BYU wins out. Utah beat BYU on the field (in Provo, too). That means Utah is the better team, end of story.

It never ceases to amaze me how BYU can lose a game and BYU fans can rationalize to themselves that they were actually the better team. Do you take classes on how to make those jumps in logic?


Harmon: "Which team in the state is the best? Utes have bragging rights"

Yes, but it will only be a matter of time before we have BYU fans posting that head-to-head competition doesn't actually matter. That overall stats, yardage, etc. is all that matters. And final Sagarin ratings as well.


Mcallen, TX

Best teams don't always win. Some teams are just fortunate.

If Utah was the better team, they would have gone bowling, but didn't earn it.

This year will likely be the same.

Rexburg, ID

So, last year Texas A&M beat Alabama which gave A&M bragging rights and therefore was a better team. What an ignorant standpoint, however that is the logic of the Ute fans. Reality is that because of Alabama's complete body of work in 2012, it was ranked #1.

That concept totally eludes the Ute fans (except when the Utes were ranked in the top 10 twice).

Last year Utah State was ranked higher in the final polls than BYU making USU a better team overall last year. Of course the Utes were ranked the lowest of the three in all final polls including the precious BCS final poll which, by the way, includes SOS.

Brave Sir Robin, BYU fans might jump in logic once in a while, but your argument and most everything you purvey on BYU articles has no logic at all. You must believe that Texas A&M was better team than Alabama last year because your "logic" demands it. Say hi to the Wizard in the Emerald City, everyone else will use the final polls as most credible measure of a team's accomplishments in a season.

Overton, NV

MacNasty beat me to it. I was going to use the Alabama-Texas A&M example.

Yes, right now Utah has the edge because they beat both USU and BYU. However, by the end of the season, Utah may no longer be considered the better team. Utah fans can ignore rankings all they want, but where a team falls in the rankings at the end of a season matters a lot more than the results of just one game.

And as for "Rankings don't totally take into account strength of schedule," some ranking systems do take SOS into account. Sagarin does. And, if I'm not mistaken, so do the computer formulae that are used in the BCS rankings. Oops! There goes that argument.

Salt Lake City, UT

Rally the troops DNews rally the troops.

West Valley, UT

This year will not be good for any Utah football team. BYU will go to the same old boring bowl game, USU may win the MWC but it is becoming more doubtful. Ute's have a tough schedule and has to beat 3 more teams that are not the state of Utah.

There is no doubt that the Ute's are the best in the state for football this year, but that is not saying much.

Layton, UT

Let's pretend that that byu was undefeated instate.

Would an article like this ever be written?...homer

Orem, UT

Harmon is correct; Utah owns bragging rights...

for now.

However, unless Utah fans can honestly say that

UNLV(2-10) was BETTER than Utah(9-4) in 2007
Colorado(3-10) was BETTER than Utah(8-5) in 2011
Texas A&M(11-2) was BETTER than undisputed, unanimous national champion Alabama(13-1) in 2012

then, quite obviously, head-to-head is decidedly NOT the ONLY thing that matters.

Except for individual game bragging rights, final record and final ranking are much more important in determining which team was more successful, and therefore, BETTER, for the entire season.

You seriously expect to argue that if Utah tanks the rest of the season to finish 4-8 with no bowl, while BYU and USU go on to finish 9-4 with bowl wins, that Utah would be considered better than BYU or USU simply because Utah won a couple of early season head-to-head matchups.

The truth is, the ONLY fans who will be claiming that are the crimson glasses wearers.

Guaranteed, there won't be another legitimate poll/ranking system out there who won't have the Utes ranked SIGNIFICANTLY below BYU and USU.

Baltimore, MD

"Which team in the state is the best?"

Obviously, the team that finishes with the best record and the highest final ranking.

Salt Lake City, UT

Orem, UT

Please keep up with your analysis if it makes the next 3 years more bearable for you. For me, all of the angst from Dick and Cougar "fans" is wildly entertaining. When you can't settle it to your liking on the field, find some other way.


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