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Published: Monday, Oct. 7 2013 11:45 a.m. MDT

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

No need to apologize.

In fact, I wish they hadn't. No need to cave to the liberals demands. Don't want to carry Jewish things? Don't. I love what Hobby Lobby stands for and I don't even like crafting.

Maudine
SLC, UT

@ Chris B: So, an organization that claims to adhere to Christian values is honoring those Christian values by respecting others, and you don't think they should because you like the fact that they have Christian values?

How does that even pretend to make sense?

Personally, I think it is awesome that Hobby Lobby is acting so Christlike and by being loving and inclusive.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

They didn't cave in to liberal demands. They were protecting their bottom line.

Isn't the free market system based on ones ability to vote with their wallet? And, to get others to do the same?

Would you call it "liberal demands" if a group from the religious right protested a movie that they felt was smut, or picketed an adult book store? Is that any different?

This is exactly the way it should work. No one forced HL to carry "Jewish things".

This is called the free market at work. How can any "capitalist" deride this process?

podunk utah
DRAPER, UT

add some Kwanza and Festivus stuff while you are at it

sid 6.7
Holladay, UT

The owner of HL who had a net worth of 5 Billion at the end of 2012 fought the Government regarding Obamacare on the premise it went against his Christian Values because the plan provided contraception. Apparently he feels we need more single parent children than we already have. Good for him!

HL seems to only remember their "Christian Values" when it's convenient. When David Greene was asked what he would do if Obamacare was not held off another year his response was he would cut the hours of all of his employees to under 30 so he would not have to pay for their Health Care. If this kind of action is what it takes to be a "Christian" than I think I would rather be an atheist.

The bottom line is, HL cares far more about their pocketbooks then they do their salvation. My wife has spent between $500.00 - $1,500.00 a year at Hobby Lobby for the past 5 years. Since the Billionaire Mr.Greene made his statement regarding the care of his employees my wife, myself and our extended families have not darkened HL's doorway nor will we ever again.

donn
layton, UT

RE: JoeBlow, “This is called the free market at work. How can any "capitalist" deride this process? True,

Deseret Books should sell Christians items as well. I.e.. The #1 selling NIV Bible. Bible study helps like the Greek N.T. and the Greek LXX Vines concordances or Thayer’s Lexicon(Greek to English Dictionary).
And for serious Bible study Critical apparatuses for lower criticism. Now you have to go to a Christian bookstore to buy these items.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

They will never add Festivus stuff...profit margins on steel poles are razor thin.

Californian#1@94131
San Francisco, CA

If I owned a craft or hobby store, I would be honored to carry Jewish-related items. Judaism is the harginger of Christianity. Hebrew history and scriptures point to the coming of the Messiah and His mission: the commandment to Abraham to sacrifice his firstborn; the betrayal of Joseph by one of his 12 brothers for 20 pieces of silver; the slaughter of Hebrew babies in Egypt; the Passover and the sacrificial lamb and passing through the water; the martyrdom of prophets. What I believe as a Christian is inseparably connected with Judaism.

But I also believe a business should be able to choose its merchandise unless there is clear and unmistakable discrimination and bigotry involved. If a Hobby Lobby clerk actually said what was quoted, it's unfortunate, but did the store owner actually discriminate?

Will we force a Jewish merchant to sell Christian items, or a Christian to sell Muslim goods? How long before a merchant with strong religious principles is compelled to carry atheist literature, or those of us who support traditional marriage have to sell books, movies, or merchandise advocating or glorifying things that we believe offend God?

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Sure, stores can carry whatever merchandise they choose. What was unkind and un-Christian was the response, "we don't cater to you people." A better response would've been to simply say, "sorry, we don't carry Hanakkuh things."

But it also seems like a stupid business decision considering New Jersey is #2 for the highest Jewish population in the U.S., and neighboring NY is #1.

Another black eye for Hobby Lobby.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

"We don't cater to you people."

No shirt...no shoes...no service...has been amended.

No problem.

Going forward...when you shop at HL, just make sure you're on the "A-list"...

Contrariuserer
mid-state, TN

@donn --

"Deseret Books should sell Christians items as well. I.e.. The #1 selling NIV Bible. Bible study helps like the Greek N.T. and the Greek LXX Vines concordances or Thayer’s Lexicon(Greek to English Dictionary). "

Do you think that Deseret Books would have ideological objections to selling such items? Are you implying that LDS beliefs are somehow non-Christian?

@Californian --

"Will we force a Jewish merchant to sell Christian items, or a Christian to sell Muslim goods?"

In this case, nobody forced anyone to do anything. This was the free market at work, all the way.

Hoby Lobby's problems would go away if the CEO would just rename it "Crafts for Conservative Christians" (they could even be cute and spell the words with Ks), so folks of other persuasions wouldn't get confused or expect service there.

Honesty in advertising would be a Good Thing.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: Contrariuserer, Do you think that Deseret Books would have ideological objections to selling such items?
(Acts 17:11 NIV) the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what[the Apostle] Paul said was true.

(2 Timothy 2:15) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
I.e..In (D&C 84: 11-13) JS said he saw Esaias S/B Isaiah. Modern translation have Isaiah instead of Esaias to avoid the confusion, see (Romans 9:27,29 NIV).

LDS beliefs are somehow non-Christian?
Manhattan statement We, as Orthodox, Catholic, and Evangelical Christians, have gathered, beginning in New York on September 28, 2009, to make the following declaration, which we sign as individuals, not on behalf of our organizations, but s peaking to and from our communities. We act together in obedience to the one true God,“the triune God”.[The ”PALE” of Christianity believes in the Triune God].

Contrariuserer
mid-state, TN

@sharrona --

Ummm, Sharrona, those quotes are all lovely and all, but you didn't answer my questions.

Do you think that Deseret Books would have ideological objections to selling such items? Are you implying that LDS beliefs are somehow non-Christian?

Simple yes or no answers will suffice. Are Mormons Christian or not? Why would they object to selling Bibles?

Maudine
SLC, UT

@ donn: Deseret Book by its very name proclaims that it sells items specifically related to Mormonism. Nothing in the name of Hobby Lobby proclaims they only carry items for certain religious groups.

Hobby Lobby is more than welcome to sell what they want - some people stated, perhaps not in the most polite manner possible but it was still a statement, that they enjoy shopping at Hobby Lobby and would enjoy said experience even more if they were able to buy products for hobbies related to all the holidays they observe. If Hobby Lobby does not carry the items consumers want, consumers will seek those items elsewhere.

Very basic market philosophies and practices.

People who want religious items not related to Mormonism do not shop at Deseret Book. Deseret Book made the decision to not cater to those needs and not have those customers.

Hobby Lobby decided it wants those customers for their year round business and is willing to sell them the items they want.

Nothing in the free market demands any changes to Deseret Book.

K
Mchenry, IL

One staffer said it. It wasn't a policy of the company. They may not have known there was demand for such products. Christians commercialize Christmas. Jewish holidays tend to be more faith promoting, not crafty.

I went in one store looking for a first communion card. The staff had no idea if they carried them, not a nonCatholic thing. I did find two in the entire card section. They were a bit different than other communion cards I have ever seen but they had the words first communion so I bought one.

Oatmeal
Woods Cross, UT

donn,

Give Deseret book a call. They'll order in any book (within reason) that you want. Versions of the Bible? Shouldn't be a problem.

MrsH
Altamont, UT

Maudine,
Thanks for the voice of reason. I totally agree with your post!

gittalopctbi
Glendale, AZ

Comments railing on HL because of what they carry/don't carry, about being "hypocritical" with their stance on Obamacare (hey Sid 6.7--like most businesses, they can't afford Obamacare and continue with current employee's hours). This was an unfortunate incident involving one employee, who hopefully has been properly disciplined and trained by now.

Kudos to Berwitz and Green for pleasantly working things out. Kudos to Yair Rosenberg and the The Anti-Defamation League for putting this into perspective and seeing things from HL's point of view and being reasonable. This is what real civil discourse is all about, not about people getting all bent out of shape and judgmental. Berwitz, Green, Rosenberg, & the ADL: refreshing, thank you.

Eliyahu
Pleasant Grove, UT

@ChrisB: First of all, I'm not sure what "liberals demands" have to do with any of this since we know nothing of the political bent of those who asked the store to reconsider its policies regarding craft items related to Jewish holidays. It looks a lot more like consumers asking local stores to carry merchandise that they'd like to buy. When you say, "I love what Hobby Lobby stands for and I don't even like crafting.", what, exactly, is it that you think they "stand for"? They're a business, and they exist to make money. And stores make money by catering to the needs of their customers; not by trying to make political hash of customer requests. As one of Utah County's few token Jews, I have no illusions that I'll now find Chanukkah candles or anything else Jewish in the American Fork store, but I wouldn't expect it since it would be a poor marketing decision on their part. They're gonna carry what sells in reasonable quantities.

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