@Ken Lee:The attempted spinnings of YbU fans are comical. It's
embarrassing to lose to your bitter rival. Even more embarrassing, are all the
comments and spins about what might happen if they played again, who was
statistically better, who dominated back in the day, blah blah blah.The harsh reality is this, folks: 0-4, no superbowl for Van Noy and Co., no
bragging rights until the fall of '16, and I'm sorry, but playing the
"we have more wins at the end of the seaon" card is meaningless against
primarily weak opponents. Outside of Utah, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, a grossly
overrated (and nonranked) Texas squad, and Houston, your other opponents bring
little credibility to your schedule.
All these Utes will point again to BYU as their "quality" win. This
becomes comical as they belittle the Cougs then point to the win with pride. Oh
sure, the Utes may have some moral victories where they lose close games but
they will end sub .500 again ....still feeling very good about themselves. You
know, feeling good about yourself is important when the liklihood of ever being
ranked again is near zero. A total of 7 end of season rankings in program
history....the Cougs have 6 since 2000. Anyone can see which program is real.
The days of the Utes being meaningful are over....just as they got started :(
Stanford 31 Utah 21--Utes will put up a game effort but Stanford is simply
better. Boise State 27 USU 10--I agree with some of the one poster,
USU wins a close game with Keeton, but without him Boise is too much. Too much
defense and too much coaching I'm afraid.BYU 31 GA Tech
14--Bottom line, nobody rushes the ball well, with a rare, rare exception, on
Bronco's defenses. GA Tech is a run-oriented team. At home the Cougars
should handle the Rambling Wreck.
Duck: "utah "fans" tell us all of the time that the unforced scoop
and score utah got on BYU blah blah blah..."Utah "fans"
are not having this conversation, you and I are, so spare me all the garbage
that others may say, trying to pass it off as my own. I never said BYU got
"owned" by Utah over the last two years. You were the one who made the
uneducated proclamation of Utah getting "owned" by ASU. I led you to the
water of logic and reason, but your own stubbornness and desperate defensiveness
is what kept you from drinking.
@Duckhunter I have to correct you...ASU has owned the
utes for more than just the past two years? LOL... The head to head record for
the past 40 years between the two schools is ASU 11 wins - utah 1 win... So I don't think it matters what field the two teams play on.
@go redThe utes need to hang on to that one single game against
Alabama for all they got, because that is the one and only big time victory that
they have... Milk it, milk it, milk it. (Only I think the poor cow is dry)...
@pac12pride... funny how it's never "utah pride", but
then, I guess there is a reason for that.The odds makers actually
had utah with a +6... ucla is not suppose to be very good this year and outside
of their win at Nebraska (who also is not that good this year) they really have
much to crow about... I personally thought that UCLA would win by 10 and I darn
near hit it on the button... I have some friends who mad alot of money with utah
not covering the spread...BYU did beat USU... Handily... And if not
for the PAC officials USU may have gotten utah again this year... As it was, it
was less than a one possession game...So I fail to see where the BYU
fans were so far off on their projections.
@sportsfan"Utah has never beaten a Top 5 team, EVER!"Alabama was #1 for 1 1/2 months prior to the Sugar Bowl, and came into
the Sugar Bowl ranked in the Top 5.So much for your credibility.
Imagine that... None of the national networks want to pick up the Stanford -
Utah game... And Stanford is rated number 5 in the country... Wonder why? Are
they thinking it is going to be a blowout?Projection:Stanford 49 Utah 17 (ouch)
@pac 12 jokeI didn't predict anything about the BYU utah game.
Interesting you would just make that up in a desperate attempt to try and make a
TatorsRe: "most of the objective football world also feels that
BYU would beat Utah in a re-match"This is hilarious, I
didn't realize the entire objective football world had been polled two
weeks following the Utah / BYU game to find out which team they thought would
win in a rematch. Some of you guys belong on stage, that is flat out
the funniest thing I've read on these threads in a long time.
UteologyMiami in 1990 and USC in 2004 were both ranked #1 when they
played BYU in LES - BYU split with them, beating Miami (which was the defending
NC and finished #3 in 1990), and losing to USC (which finished #1 in 2004).Ironically, the highest ranked team ever to play in RES was #3 BYU in
1984, which beat Utah 24-14.Not much there to crow about if
you're a Utah fan.Utah has never beaten a Top 5 team, EVER!
Are BYU fans still trying re-play the Utah game? Give it up! Utah may not be a
great team this year, but they proved they're better than the Y. I'm
a Cougs fan, but I'll root for both.
@tatortots:Thanks for the laugh! Attempt to try and claim some sort
of moral victory! 0-4, bud! lolHere's my version: Utah did beat
BYU a few weeks ago (and for the fourth consecutive rivalry game). But the
so-called professional college football analysts at team down south currently
don't think they got beat again. Unfortunately, Taysom Hill had not shown
enough improvement despite an entire off season and bye-week to prepare to
change the minds of the Ute defensive experts. Sorry Tators, but you're
going to have to live with the current facts as they are, and always will be, on
this one: 0-4, no hope for bragging rights until at least the fall of 2016, a
complete sweep for the Ute seniors, and even ESPN suggesting that the Cardinal
will need their best game.
The Rock Federal Way, WAThe highest ranked team; at the
end of the season, ever to play in Utah was BYU, Number 1 in 1984.Miami did not finish the 1990 season ranked #1.--------------But USC did:9/18 Southern California (13-0) 42 BYU 10
Utes have already won their bowl game for the year. Nothing else really matters
to them. Too bad they won't have another bowl game until they once again
@ BigUtahFan:Since USA Today and the latest Sagarin College Football
rankings came out today with BYU ranked 5 places better than Utah (#29 compared
to #34), most of the objective football world also feels that BYU would beat
Utah in a re-match. I'm inclined to believe they are much more objective
and knowledgable than either Utah or BYU fans with their respecive biases... and
certainly much more objective than you. Utah did beat BYU a few
weeks ago. But the professional college football analysts currently don't
think they could do it again. Taysom Hill has shown enough improvement since
then to change the minds of the experts. Sorry, but you're going to have to
live with the current facts as they are on this one.
@ UteMiguel:It's never embarrassing to lose by a single score
on a game that goes to the wire... unless of course a person is looking thru
extremely dark colored crimnson glasses. Everyone else sees it as an exciting,
competitive matchup. Utah thought the game was so
"embarrassing" last year that they stormed the field in SLC 3 different
times after BYU hit a goal-post in the last play of the game. How is that
embarrassing?That year and this one, BYU had more yardage and first downs
than Utah in their to-the-wire losses. Hardly embarrassing at all. Actually, Ute
fan comments are much more embarrassing.@ The Rock:A
simple explanation for your observation... BYU won their game against a #1 team,
while Utah did not. BYU knocked their opponent out of first place while Utah did
not. @ Pac 12 Pride:You included "all other BYU
fans" in some 30 point prediction statement. Can you name even one besides
Duckhunter? Didn't think so. Most just predicted a UCLA win and it did
happen. Your gross exaggerations should be a bit embarrassing to you and
definitely causes you to lose credibility.
@Reno Cougs Fan 68BYU held Utah to less points scored then
UCLA!!!Utah did not blow out BYU!!!I think if BYU and Utah
were to play again the out come would be quite different!!!------------Stop it, you say that every year.
UCLA went up in the polls after a narrow win over Utah.Texas was
ridiculed for being embarrassed by an unworthy opponent that lost to Virginia.
@HochmutActually it's BYU that's a footnote to the BCS
(see 1984)."BYU still seems to be the program the other schools
wish they were"So true, see Idaho and New Mexico State.
Two top 20 programs have already come to Utah this season. One escaped with a
win, the other got knocked clean out of the top 20.Come on, BYU
fans! Let's cheer for the Utes to become bowl eligible. Then we can take
another shot at them in that Kraft Fight Hunger bowl thing. You know, the risk
of losing to Utah twice in one season is worth the chance of wiping that smug,
arrogant, holier than thou (did I get them all?) look off their faces.And wouldn't it be delicious? Utah could spend the rest of the regular
season bad-mouthing any bowl that isn't played in Pasadena, warming up to
the KFH bowl after receiving an invitation, then bad mouthing it again
afterwards when they lose bragging rights they thought they had secured for
Portland St come to Cedar City.... and WEber travels to Cal Poly
"I think if BYU and Utah were to play again the out come would be quite
Three big time programs...!Laughable. Comparing the competition
that Stanford brings to Salt Lake, against non-ranked Boise State (Boise's
not a state!) and non-ranked Georgia Tech, is a far stretch, even by Dessert
News standards.While I'm biased and hope for a great game at
RES, let's be realistic: Stanford is looking solid on all fronts. The Utes
will have their hands full from start to finish.YbU will not be
facing a deflated secondary like they did in Logan. Admit it, once Chuckie was
gone, so was the will of the Aggies. Just like your own fans have agreed to,
the Texas game was an anomaly. Let's see a repeat passing performance, to
avoid having the Logan game written off as the same.And the Aggies
minus Chuckie look plain beatable. The Broncos shouldn't have too much to
overcome.Here's to hoping that all three Utah programs put up a
good fight.Go Utes!
I believe, along with Miami in 1990, USC was #1 when they played at BYU in 2004.
Reno Cougs Fan 68,That's what you said last year, and the year
before, and the year before.....I don't want the Utes to ever
again play byu, there's nothing to prove, nothing would change.Would you respect us more if we let you win? I know you couldn't respect
us any less, win or lose.
PAC 12 Pride,BYU held Utah to less points scored then UCLA!!!Utah
did not blow out BYU!!!I think if BYU and Utah were to play again the out
come would be quite different!!!Go Cougs beat GT!!!
PAC 12 Pride,Beat a team outside the State of Utah yet?Beat a team
in your conference this season yet?Beat a team with a winning record in
your conference yet?Moved on from the Utah/BYU game yet?Go
Cougs beat the yellowjackets!!!
So duckhunter calls himself a byu "fan"? Not hardly!!
Checking several byu sports threads, and not one comment by the duck? And then
checking several Utah threads, I counted TEN!! Seems pretty interesting to me.
Although it is something I've noticed for quite a while. I rarely comment
on byu stories, and if I do, I don't like to be negative. Plus, I
don't care about the cougs that much to waste my time. Thanks
for being so interested in Utah sports. I know being Indy is kind of boring,
especially after one loss, not a whole lot left to play for. Win or
lose for the Utes Saturday, it's still awesome to see how they stack up
against top competition. You've got to play the best to be the best, and to
see and or prove what your made of. Go Utes!!
Not fretting much about whether Utah will go to a bowl game or not. Everyone
says the best they can do is 6-6. That puts them in a before Christmas
Who-Gives-A-Hoot Bowl, which will be nowhere near as prestigious or thrilling as
the PAC-12 games they are playing and competing in right up to the final gun
right now! I have been a Northwestern fan for many years. Before they started
winning, they had to first start losing by less than 50, then by 20, then by a
touchdown. It took FOREVER, but they made it. Utes are much closer than that.
I figure one more season before they turn close losses into close wins.
You guys keep talking about ASU barely staying with a bad Utah team in 2011 when
Erickson was the coach. Look at what happened last year when Graham coached. Two
Very different outcomes. Although I'll give you that the Sun Devils play
down to their competition level on the road, I still don't see Utah as a
loss for the Sun Devils, especially when by the time ASU comes to down, Utah
will have no realistic chance at a bowl game.
Utah will not do well against Stanford. Stanford is legit this year, and they
were obviously the better team against WA last Saturday. By the eyeball test,
they look much better than UCLA and Oregon ST. With that said, Utah should do
well against USC, WSU, CU, and possibly AU too.Then our seniors will
get their second chance against the U in the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl.USU has a decent looking backup in Harrison. However, he will have his work
cut out for him against BSU. It's a shame chuckie got hurt.BYU
will do well against GT, but not as well as they did last year. Still, we will
Stanford is absolutely going to annihilate the Utes, it will be a laugher.
Hochmut,I went to all of the states and territories of the U.S. and
everybody that I talked to knows everything about the Utes. Those that have
heard about byu think that it's a WAC school located in N. Idaho and some
are even aware of the rivalry they have with Idaho State.
Duck,Interesting you left out what you predicted for the byu Utah
game. I'll just say this, Utah has a better chance of beating Stanford
that byu did of beating Utah.
I think it's wonderful that Utah football players will have plenty of
downtime in December to study for finals.
christyYou were predicting an outright win for Utah over UCLA and
blowout losses for BYU to Texas and USU.You were also predicting
that Utah would be 5-0, ranked in the Top 25, and well on their way to winning
the PAC 12 South at this point.Considering all of your missed
predictions in basketball, your track record in predictions is abysmal. The
truth is, the Utes don't stand a chance of beating Stanford, a much better
team than the Oregon State and UCLA teams you've already lost to in RES.
@stgIf utah gave asu "short field after short field" all
that tells us is they weren't good enough to do any better. utah
"fans" tell us all of the time that the unforced scoop and score utah
got on BYU the year before last was evidence utah was better yet, so are you
trying to say utah giving asu "short field after short field" is somehow
not a similar thing?That said I give utah a chance against asu, asu
is not all that good imo, but then utah isn't either so who really knows
how it will turn out. But as far as stanford is concerned this weekend, well
they are the real thing, they are very good, they far outclass utah there is no
comparison. Sure utah might make it semi respectable but that is not the same as
actually having a chance to win. And no I do not think BYU would have any more
of a chance of beating them than utah does so save the outrage.
As a transplant from So Cal, USC and UCLA being my teams for 50 years, I can
only view the "rivalry" between the three Utah teams mentioned often as
Jr. Highish. On the national stage, Utah State is a footnote at best; Utah is
often confused at being BYU; When I lived on the east coast for 6 years, BYU
was the only noteable program that was ever mentioned; now that I live in Salt
Lake, BYU still seems to be the program the other schools wish they were--it is
still about BYU and win or lose, I don't see that changing any time soon.
Until Utah wins over UCLA, USC, ASU,and AZ, they will be just a extra win on
other PAC12 records.
@Bartholemew T. BededictExcuses, excuses. The Utes played a great
game and you are going to take it away from your team by making excuses.
Holding? That must be why Hundley was under pressure all night from the Utes
Defense. Don't take a great game away from the Utes by making excuses. I
guarantee the players of Utah wouldn't want you doing that either.GO BRUINS!
@pac 12 jokeI did predict a BYU win over usu and since BYU blew them
out it turned out pretty well. I never predicted ucla would win by 30, I just
said they'd win although I will admit I thought it would be by a bigger
margin than they did. I never predicted usu would beat utah although I thought
they might, based on how that game went it is obvious that a usu win
wouldn't have been any sort of surprise.Do you just make stuff
up?Also I do not care about the big 12, not one bit, I prefer
independence, it is what is best for BYU. So you can make comments like that all
you want but it doesn't bother me in the least.
Everone knows byu is already the best program. All the other try to catch up but
@ Pac 12 PrideBig 12 respect U yet?
Duck,Big 12 call yet?
Duck and all other byu fans predicted UCLA winning by 30. They also predicted a
byu win over USU and a USU win over Utah. So their track record isn't very
good. I am feeling pretty optimistic about this game.
If the refs had called about half of the holding penalties against UCLA the game
would have been much different. For some reason their offensive line was
allowed to tackle our defensive line with rarely a penalty called.
A win over Stanford would be the tipping point for Utah in our new conference.
The first couple years we were beaten pretty handily by all the best teams, but
now after seeing the Oregon State and UCLA games it clear we're moving
closer and closer towards being on par with just about everyone in the
conference.I think if the guys control the turnovers we will pull
off the upset.
Since I can't find ESPNU, I will have to watch the Stanford and Boise State
Utah will play tough against Stanford. They will lose by only ten.BYU will easily handle GT at home, in the cold altitude of Provo by a team led
by Spirit, Tradition and Honor. GT is a nationally respected program, better
than Boise but no where near Stanford in power this year.USU will be
by far the most important of the three matchups. USU should win the last five
games without Keaton. Its the Boise game that isn't so sure. If they
manage to take the contest USU should coast to the division title to face Fresno
for the championship.
The highest ranked team; at the end of the season, ever to play in Utah was BYU,
Number 1 in 1984.Miami did not finish the 1990 season ranked #1.
@DuckI think utah might, might, win 6 games and get to a bowl game. But I
wouldn't be surprised in the least if they lose all of the remaining games
on their schedule-------------In the off-season I said
if Utah is a horrible team then they will win the 3 gimme games Weber, BYU,
Colorado and finish 3-9.To my surprise so far even with a minus 8 in
turnovers Utah was able to compete against OSU and #11 UCLA. Even ESPN noticed:
"Utah won’t make things easy in the South: The conference record might
not show it, but Utah is a pretty good football team." Who
knows, ESPN could be wrong and you could be spot on. You'll have you
answer on Saturday. IMO if Utah doesn't turn the ball over 3+
times then we have a great shot at an upset.
How can these be 3 big time programs? Why are you trying to make a BYU schedule
or USU schedule look similar to Utah's schedule? NONE of the teams BYU
plays for the rest of the year are currently ranked in the top 25. Georgia Tech
hasn't been a ranked team for years. Man it is embarrassing to compare
playing Standord to playing either unranked Georgia Tech or unranked Boise
State. I'm looking forward to how you try to make the November 16th games
look similar and equally challenging when Utah plays Oregon and BYU plays Idaho
It is going to be a tough week for Utah teams. USU would probably have been a
favorite over BSU with Chuckie, but will now be an underdog. Utes will be dogs
as well. BYU might be a small favorite, but I see that game being very close. I
would love to see all 3 come away with wins, but 1-2 is probably best case
scenario. PS: Even though I live in Idaho, I would rather see USU
beat BSU. BSU fans are almost as annoying as Utah fans.
It's good to see Duckhunter back with us. I am glad you recovered bro.
Georgia Tech is a big time opponent ya'll.
@DuckhunterUtah just narrowly lost to the 12th ranked team in the nation
and you think they can go the rest of the way winless. Uh huh...
Duck- as a cougar fan you are an expert on being embarrassed in salt lake (and
Provo). It's only been a week and you seem to have already forgotten the
latest in the series of BYU losses to the Utes.
If by "best game" you mean the one that will provide the most exciting
competition, it ain't gonna be up at RES. But if you're looking for
comedy, then yeah, that ought to be the best game.
Duck, you apparently don't remember that as lopsided as the final score in
2011 was, Utah handled ASU and led for most of the game, before giving the
Devils short field after short field to score on with three quick turnovers.
That was Jon Hays' first career start when he was playing his worst ball of
his short career. Last year they absolutely dominated Utah in Tempe, the only
game all year that Utah was not even competitive in, and that further supports
my point of their homefield advantage. I won't say Utah should be favored
in that game, but the only way I see them getting "owned" is if they
fail to contain Will Sutton. He's the one guy on that team that shows up to
play no matter where they're at.
@kenThat game in salt lake certainly won't be the
"best" game. That one has far more likelyhood of the home team being
absolutely curb stomped than any other game on Saturday. Although I suppose that
might be a matter of preference as some people will enjoy watching that occur. I
myself will be down on LES and will just have to get the updates on the
embarrassment in salt lake.
@stgutah has no chance at all to beat stanford, don't delude
yourself. I do agree with you that asu is not as good as some have given them
credit for being but I will remind you that they have absolutely owned utah in
the first two years in the pac12, more than any other team, even usc. I think utah might, might, win 6 games and get to a bowl game. But I
wouldn't be surprised in the least if they lose all of the remaining games
on their schedule. Not one of them is anything that resembles a game utah will
be heavily favored in, in fact they might only be favored in one of them, cu at
home. That isn't even a sure thing though as cu looks improved and utah has
struggled against them as well.It is a tough road, I'll readily
admit it, and one I don't see utah as being all that capable of navigating.
With the best in salt lake. As usual.
ASU is a more winnable game than they appear on paper. They are traditionally
not nearly as tough on the road as at home. That is looking like the case again
this year in both their road games. Every one of the teams on the schedule have
enough high caliber players to beat the Utes, but the Utes have what it takes to
beat any of them, save Oregon.