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Published: Sunday, Oct. 6 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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glendenbg
Salt Lake City, UT

Krauthammer's latest reminds me of an old vaudeville routine:

Judge: you've committed a heinous, horrible crime of murdering your parents.
Defendant: have mercy your honor, I'm an orphan.

As everyone who pays attentions remembers, in March 2009, Republicans adopted a policy of absolute obstructionism with regard to any proposals made by Democrats and refused to participate in negotiations with regard to health care reform. The Republican leadership instructed all party members to vote against it. The deliberate policy of refusing to participate is now being used as justification to oppose the law itself. Republicans and folk like Charles Krauthammer now complain that the law wasn't bipartisan.

It's just the old vaudeville routine, transferred to politics and stripped of any comedic value.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Sorry, charlie. It's a tea party tantrum that defies obfuscation.

stevo123
slc, ut

From the streets of WestYellowstone, Torrey, Springdale, Moab and any other town that sits on the edge of our great parks,this has been a disaster. The last few weekends cand make or break a season. ( In Utah the UEA weekend can be on of the biggest) The Tea party has shut it down, and they own the issue.

Dragline
Oream, UT

Mr. Krauthammer's article should be required reading for writing students on specious logic and for economics students for a recipe for economic disaster. He blames Democrats for not doing illegal tactics but for untraditional tactics (did he see the movie "Lincoln About the tactics to pass the thirteenth amendment?) and advocates for not raising the debt ceiling. The former is sophomoric logic and the latter is financial suicide.

redshirt007
tranquility base, 00

What will it be next Republicans? Overturn the Supreme Court in Roe VS. Wade or no budget will be passed /shutdown?

Why not blackmail the country for everything instead of voting at all?

No, we don't negotiate with terrorists weather the be from another country or within.

Kruthenhammer only proves yet again weekly he has no moral foundation. I'm saddened the DN continues to print his column weekly as if it were an honest opinion.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

From the article:

"The most ubiquitous conventional wisdom is that the ultimate cause of these troubles is out-of-control tea party anarchists. But is this really where the causal chain ends? The tea party was created by Obama's first-term overreach, most specifically Obamacare. This frantic fight against it today is the fruits of the way it was originally enacted."

Ah. So the Tea Party IS the problem but the Tea Party is really Obama's creation. So they bear no responsibility for their terrible actions - they are helpless in the face of Obama's malevolence and simply do what they were created (by Obama's id) to do . . . Right.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

"...if it can't get 100 percent of what it wants,"

"pass a budget without drama."

These are quotes by our president.

The House republicans passed 99% of the funding for the government. But that wasn't good enough. They even offered to keep ACA, but just delay the individual tax on low income families, like the president for the big corporations, but the democrats wouldn't do that either.

Why? Because the democrats are the ones who want the shut down. Their leaders are showing this is recorded statements, like the Obama administrator who said, Why would we want to end the shut down. "We're winning!" and Harry Reid, who doesn't want to help kids with cancer because government workers are sitting home from work (and will probably get paid for doing so).

Liberals wake up. Your leaders don't care about you, or this country! They only care about their power.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

BTW, the funding of each item, which the House is undertaking, is exactly what this country needs. We need to look at each part of the budget and trim what is wasteful. What a great blessing this could be if the democrats would actually look at the budget items with the republicans instead of demanding a rubber stamp for everything! I hope the debt ceiling will be tied to budget reductions, and if they can't agree on what, do the penny plan.

Anything is better than the train wreck we are speeding towards with the out of control spending.

redshirt007
tranquility base, 00

If the church says it promotes honesty is should neither publish kruthenhammer nor censor so many posts that call out his dishonesty.

It makes honesty seem like a cheap gold paint on the church.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

You shout "shut er down", you own the consequences.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@BadgerBadger
That 99% was passed at funding levels Republicans wanted. Democrats wanted to get rid of some of the sequester cuts but gave that up.

joelwisch
Albuquerque, NM

What Obama has done on this issue is flately scary. We cannot continue to let the President and Harry Reid act like a totalitarian government and yet, they continue to demand more. Send them a message folks.. tell them to stick with the Constitution.

delldollymadison
Pflugerville, TX

When a well-educated person ignores the salient facts about the CR when pushing their own viewpoint, they've got to be called a liar. That'd be Krauthammer in this case. The assertion that the Democrats haven't/won't compromise is ludicrous. The ACA is a huge compromise. It's basically exactly how a Republican-controlled gov't would have created nationwide healthcare. And the CR? Almost at Paul Ryan levels of gov't funding - really low - not AT ALL what the Democrats would have wanted. But they were willing to accept that level to satisfy the Republicans. The rightwingers simply can't address this topic fairly and honestly - if they did, they'd have nothing to argue against here.

These are the facts.

delldollymadison
Pflugerville, TX

*IF* Senator Harry Reid and President Obama *were* truly acting as "totalitarians", as Joel asserts, then yeah, the Republicans should fight against that.

But they haven't been acting that way. Almost half of the Stimulus Bill was tax cuts - that was per the demands of the right. ACA is chock-full of former Republican ideas about healthcare reform, and doesn't have many of the things that Democrats would have wanted in the offering. And in the latest Continuing Resolution, the Democrats certainly didn't want to stick with the level of funding that was mandated by the sequester bill - a couple of years ago, NEITHER SIDE wanted cuts that drastic, remember. That's why the sequester language passed - because both sides supposedly thought that they'd never get that bound up in impasse to stop reasonable budget compromises. But they did, and Democrats were willing to go with a CR that was quite low, relatively. It's demonstrably NOT the Democrats who are "demanding more" - it's the Democrats who are willing to compromise but who aren't being met halfway by the Republicans.

gmlewis
Houston, TX

I liked what he said when comparing the abuse of Executive power in delaying the employer mandate vs the appropriate Legislative power to delay the individual mandate. Even still, I wish the House of Representatives had finally caved when it was evident that the Senate was intent on shutting down the government. That just punishes the people.

When the U.S. puts sanctions on another nation, we know that it is the people of that nation that suffer. Generally, we do this to thwart an overt action of that nation that threatens our own. In this case, it is our own nation that is being sanctioned by the Senate. I don't see what threat the Republicans offer that warrants so much suffering.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

@ atl134

Without having to fund the ACA, the sequester cuts could be diminished, but we really can't afford it all.

@ delldollymadison

Your version of history is severely slanted and deeply lacking it facts. But hey, believe what you want. Santa comes in a couple months you know. But even he can't save this country from its own overspending.

VickieB
SLC, UT

This mess could not be created by one party, it's taken both Democrats and Republicans. Both deserve our wrath.

Alfred
Phoenix, AZ

@glendenbg:
"The Republican leadership instructed all party members to vote against it."

The Republicans were in the minority so the Democrats pushed Obamacare through without any Republican votes. Zero, zip, nada. And why didn't any Republicans vote for it? Because the Democrats voted down all, ALL Republican amendments. Obamacare is the Democrats' baby and theirs alone.

@stevo123
"I'm saddened the DN continues to print his column weekly as if it were an honest opinion."

Your saddened because Krauthammer is correct and you and your Democrat buddies don't have a viable answer.

@Badgerbadger:
"The House republicans passed 99% of the funding for the government."

Actually, the government is 82 percent funded. And that's about the level of funding we need for the next ten years to get the nation's deficit and debt under control. Let's leave it at 82 percent. This mess could be a God-send.

"We need to look at each part of the budget and trim what is wasteful."

Excellent point. But, what we get every year is a CR (Continuing Resolution) which simply means 'spend what you did last year with an inflation factor added in.'

Tiztim
Chicago, IL

The House, composed of its duly elected members, passed the Affordable Care Act; the Senate composed of its duly elected members, passed the ACA,. The President, duly and properly elected, signed it into law. The Supreme court endorsed its legality. Your guy, Mitt Romney, ran against the ACA and lost. What part of democracy don't you get?

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

the MAIN reason America is in the mess it finds itself is due to the low information ...actually outright ignorance...among a majority of people. A demagogue such as Obama relies on low information - miss information and outright propaganda to influence people. If people are so lazy - so uninterested - so totally ignorant of how their government works then they are ripe for people like Obama to swoop in and act as a dictator. Those who actually study - who do actual fact finding - who sort through all the nonsense Obama surrounds himself with find it quite easy to see the truth but all of that takes work - time - and a desire to actually know the truth. So many in this sinking country just don't care anymore....they collect their government check and sit on their rump watching MTV on the flat screen TV purchased via falsified government disability dollars. The gravy keeps rolling so why not soak it up ...right ?? A lazy America is an America ripe for a fall and we are indeed in free fall as we speak. So - when the media blames the gov shut down on the GOP people don't see the lie.

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