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Published: Saturday, Oct. 5 2013 8:43 p.m. MDT

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phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

gdog3finally

Welcome to the world of Arizona football - 30 years in the PAC and still looking for their first Rose Bowl.

Remind us who Utah beat in 2004 to make them "BCS eligible"; the only teams with winning records on Utah's regular season schedule were Texas A&M(7-5), Wyoming(7-5), and Colorado(7-5).

Sagarin ranked Utah's 2004 SOS at #67, and that included Pittsburgh, Utah's Fiesta Bowl opponent.

In other words, 8 of the 11 regular season opponents that Utah beat to become "BCS busters" were patsies. Yet, Utah fans claimed that the Utes deserved a chance to play for the national championship.

The inconsistency of Utah fans is truly laughable. Maybe we should just invalidate all of Utah's pre-PAC 12 achievements, since they were obviously accomplished versus schedules loaded with patsies?

ND95CA
Lincoln Park, IL

It's interesting how Utah fans completely dismissed BYU's close losses to Top 25 teams Boise State, Notre Dame and San Jose State in 2012, but are now beating their chests about Utah's close loss to UCLA.

Even more curious that Chris B characterizes Utah's 7-point loss to UCLA as "VERY CLOSE", while characterizing Utah's 7-point win over BYU as "dominating".

Whatsnu
Sandy, UT

gdog3finally

"Speaking of 10 win seasons. Before the shift of the PAC 12 and independence, BYU only led Utah 4 to 3 in that category."

Excuse me! Since when did football history begin with the bcs era, especially with regards to 10+ win seasons?

All-time 10+ win seasons

BYU - SIXTEEN
2011 10-3
2009 11-2
2008 10-3
2007 11-2
2006 11-2
2001 12-2
1996 14-1
1994 10-3
1990 10-3
1989 10-3
1985 11-3
1984 13-0
1983 11-1
1981 11-2
1980 12-1
1979 11-1

Utah - SIX
2010 10-3
2009 10-3
2008 13-0
2004 12-0
2003 10-2
1994 10-2

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All-time 11+ win seasons

BYU - ELEVEN
2009 11-2
2007 11-2
2006 11-2
2001 12-2
1996 14-1
1985 11-3
1984 13-0
1983 11-1
1981 11-2
1980 12-1
1979 11-1

Utah - TWO
2008 13-0
2004 12-0

STLute
St. Louis, MO

All of you have something to be proud of, but only games played in 2013 matter this season.

Good luck! Let's all move on.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Utah will never be good or tuff like us.

TrueBlue
Orem, UT

gored

"@ducky (A.K.A. sportsauthoritywannabee, true blue)"

Sorry to disappoint you, but just because a couple of fans share the same views, doesn't mean they're the same person.

Relevant facts/stats that are even more relevant than head-to-head results are overall records and rankings.

Relevant facts over the last four years that support BYU's claim to being better than Utah, despite the head-to-head results, BYU has finished ahead of Utah in record and ranking in three of the last four years (2009, 2011, and 2012), and are tied with Utah in record and ahead of Utah in ranking this year.

GoRed
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

@trueblue

"Relevant facts over the last four years that support BYU's claim to being better than Utah, despite head-to-head results..."

Whoa, wait a minute. Nothing you print after that statement can be taken seriously. Head-to-head results are the ONLY thing that matters. I can guarantee that if the situations were reversed, we'd have every BYU fan in the state coming onto Ute articles reminding us of their head-to-head results.

As far as bringing up final rankings, do you really think that informed college football fans don't know that BYU's record over the past several years benefits from playing 6 lower-tier WAC teams? And the people back east who vote rarely look at more than an overall win-loss record, even if those wins were against Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico State, Hawaii, etc.

Come on, trueblue, in order to take your posts seriously, you can't possibly try to talk your way out of head-to-head results.

TrueBlue
Orem, UT

gored

"Whoa, wait a minute. Nothing you print after that statement can be taken seriously. Head-to-head results are the ONLY thing that matters."

Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but head-to-head is NOT the ONLY thing that matters.

Unless you can honestly say that

UNLV(2-10) was BETTER than Utah(9-4) in 2007
Colorado(3-10) was BETTER than Utah(8-5) in 2011
and
Texas A&M(11-2) was BETTER than undisputed, unanimous national champion Alabama(13-1)

then, quite obviously, head-to-head is decidedly NOT the ONLY thing that matters.

Except for individual game bragging rights, final record and final ranking are much more important in determining which team was more successful, and therefore, BETTER, for the entire season.

Samurai Jake
Salt Lake City, UT

@quackster:

"If you can't win then what he is doing is what you do, you talk about "heart", or "grit", or "toughness"."

You mean, like how Brother Mendenhall talks about "execution" right? (I.e., the excuse he's made for the past four consecutive years after losing to the Utes.)

Thefullnancy
SOUTH JORDAN, UT

Am I missing something with all this tipped ball stuff? Why is a tipped ball a pass for the QB. If the ball was tipped the QB made an error. The following interception or reception comes down to luck or bad luck, bu the fact remains....tipped ball = QB error.

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