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  • Thefullnancy SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 3:16 p.m.

    Am I missing something with all this tipped ball stuff? Why is a tipped ball a pass for the QB. If the ball was tipped the QB made an error. The following interception or reception comes down to luck or bad luck, bu the fact remains....tipped ball = QB error.

  • Samurai Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2013 2:03 p.m.

    @quackster:

    "If you can't win then what he is doing is what you do, you talk about "heart", or "grit", or "toughness"."

    You mean, like how Brother Mendenhall talks about "execution" right? (I.e., the excuse he's made for the past four consecutive years after losing to the Utes.)

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 10:27 p.m.

    gored

    "Whoa, wait a minute. Nothing you print after that statement can be taken seriously. Head-to-head results are the ONLY thing that matters."

    Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but head-to-head is NOT the ONLY thing that matters.

    Unless you can honestly say that

    UNLV(2-10) was BETTER than Utah(9-4) in 2007
    Colorado(3-10) was BETTER than Utah(8-5) in 2011
    and
    Texas A&M(11-2) was BETTER than undisputed, unanimous national champion Alabama(13-1)

    then, quite obviously, head-to-head is decidedly NOT the ONLY thing that matters.

    Except for individual game bragging rights, final record and final ranking are much more important in determining which team was more successful, and therefore, BETTER, for the entire season.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 8:45 p.m.

    @trueblue

    "Relevant facts over the last four years that support BYU's claim to being better than Utah, despite head-to-head results..."

    Whoa, wait a minute. Nothing you print after that statement can be taken seriously. Head-to-head results are the ONLY thing that matters. I can guarantee that if the situations were reversed, we'd have every BYU fan in the state coming onto Ute articles reminding us of their head-to-head results.

    As far as bringing up final rankings, do you really think that informed college football fans don't know that BYU's record over the past several years benefits from playing 6 lower-tier WAC teams? And the people back east who vote rarely look at more than an overall win-loss record, even if those wins were against Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico State, Hawaii, etc.

    Come on, trueblue, in order to take your posts seriously, you can't possibly try to talk your way out of head-to-head results.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 2:27 p.m.

    gored

    "@ducky (A.K.A. sportsauthoritywannabee, true blue)"

    Sorry to disappoint you, but just because a couple of fans share the same views, doesn't mean they're the same person.

    Relevant facts/stats that are even more relevant than head-to-head results are overall records and rankings.

    Relevant facts over the last four years that support BYU's claim to being better than Utah, despite the head-to-head results, BYU has finished ahead of Utah in record and ranking in three of the last four years (2009, 2011, and 2012), and are tied with Utah in record and ahead of Utah in ranking this year.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 2:18 p.m.

    Utah will never be good or tuff like us.

  • STLute St. Louis, MO
    Oct. 7, 2013 1:54 p.m.

    All of you have something to be proud of, but only games played in 2013 matter this season.

    Good luck! Let's all move on.

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 1:20 p.m.

    gdog3finally

    "Speaking of 10 win seasons. Before the shift of the PAC 12 and independence, BYU only led Utah 4 to 3 in that category."

    Excuse me! Since when did football history begin with the bcs era, especially with regards to 10+ win seasons?

    All-time 10+ win seasons

    BYU - SIXTEEN
    2011 10-3
    2009 11-2
    2008 10-3
    2007 11-2
    2006 11-2
    2001 12-2
    1996 14-1
    1994 10-3
    1990 10-3
    1989 10-3
    1985 11-3
    1984 13-0
    1983 11-1
    1981 11-2
    1980 12-1
    1979 11-1

    Utah - SIX
    2010 10-3
    2009 10-3
    2008 13-0
    2004 12-0
    2003 10-2
    1994 10-2

    -----------

    All-time 11+ win seasons

    BYU - ELEVEN
    2009 11-2
    2007 11-2
    2006 11-2
    2001 12-2
    1996 14-1
    1985 11-3
    1984 13-0
    1983 11-1
    1981 11-2
    1980 12-1
    1979 11-1

    Utah - TWO
    2008 13-0
    2004 12-0

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    Oct. 7, 2013 1:04 p.m.

    It's interesting how Utah fans completely dismissed BYU's close losses to Top 25 teams Boise State, Notre Dame and San Jose State in 2012, but are now beating their chests about Utah's close loss to UCLA.

    Even more curious that Chris B characterizes Utah's 7-point loss to UCLA as "VERY CLOSE", while characterizing Utah's 7-point win over BYU as "dominating".

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Oct. 7, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    gdog3finally

    Welcome to the world of Arizona football - 30 years in the PAC and still looking for their first Rose Bowl.

    Remind us who Utah beat in 2004 to make them "BCS eligible"; the only teams with winning records on Utah's regular season schedule were Texas A&M(7-5), Wyoming(7-5), and Colorado(7-5).

    Sagarin ranked Utah's 2004 SOS at #67, and that included Pittsburgh, Utah's Fiesta Bowl opponent.

    In other words, 8 of the 11 regular season opponents that Utah beat to become "BCS busters" were patsies. Yet, Utah fans claimed that the Utes deserved a chance to play for the national championship.

    The inconsistency of Utah fans is truly laughable. Maybe we should just invalidate all of Utah's pre-PAC 12 achievements, since they were obviously accomplished versus schedules loaded with patsies?

  • Jordan Lynchburg, VA
    Oct. 7, 2013 12:43 p.m.

    People love using the word "whiney" for both sides on these boards. Seems like everybody is whining about something, apparently. I'm going to do something different. BYU fans, congratulations on a solid win over a solid Utah State team. That's a great win and I'm not afraid to say it. As for my team, I'm still extremely excited for our future. We are playing some great teams tough, especially UCLA, who ran Nebraska out of their own stadium. I also am excited about Wilson. The dude is a stud. 6 picks is not good by any stretch, but I put at least half of those on the receivers. That also doesn't include some of their other drops.
    Now this next game against Stanford is going to be rediculously tough. I'm not going to say there is a 0% chance, that's why we play the game. Either way, I love getting to watch Utah play all these awesome teams, and I really am glad Utah is putting up a fight and scaring them, now to get the big win!

    Go Utes!

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 7, 2013 12:36 p.m.

    To summarize:

    2010 #45 BYU < #26 Utah
    2011 #34 BYU > #39 Utah
    2012 #26 BYU > #61 Utah
    2013 #29 BYU > #34 Utah

    If "one game makes a season and proves which team is better", then please explain why Alabama, and not Texas A&M, played in the bcs championship game, and why EVERY AP and Coaches poll voter selected Alabama #1, while Texas A&M finished a distant #5 in both polls.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 7, 2013 12:27 p.m.

    Unless you're willing to claim, unequivocally, that

    UNLV(2-10) was BETTER than Utah(9-4)
    Colorado(3-10) was BETTER than Utah(8-5)
    #5 Texas A&M(11-2) was BETTER than #1 Alabama(13-1)

    then, your claim that head-to-head trumps season is meaningless

    Kyle has one great 13-0, Top 5 season, and little else.
    Bronco has three VERY GOOD 11-2, Top 15 seasons.

    BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams in 2011; Utah only played TWO.

    During the Independence/PAC era, the Polls and Sagarin Rankings disprove your biased spiel. BYU finished ahead of Utah in overall record and ranking in 2 of the 3 seasons (2011 and 2012), and is currently ahead of Utah for 2013.

    AP/Coaches/Sagarin Rankings

    2010
    ur/ur/#45 BYU(7-6) #55 SOS
    ur/#23/#26 Utah(10-3) #50 SOS

    2011
    ur/#25/#34 BYU(10-3) #90 SOS
    ur/ur/#39 Utah(8-5) #49 SOS

    2012
    ur/ur/#26 BYU(8-5) #63 SOS
    ur/ur/#61 Utah(5-7) #41 SOS

    2013
    ur/ur/#29 BYU(3-2) #32 SOS
    ur/ur/#34 Utah(3-2) #15 SOS

  • STLute St. Louis, MO
    Oct. 7, 2013 12:26 p.m.

    I'll take the exciting games between Oregon State and UCLA (even though they were losses) over any games we played against former conference members. The games were well-played and enjoyable to watch without all of the non-football related arguments and made-up controversies.

    Go Utes!

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 11:52 a.m.

    gdog3finally

    The Utes have qualified for the vast majority of their bowls by beating up on patsies for half of their schedule (UNLV, New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State, Utah State, Washington St, Colorado), and now you're whining about not being able to qualify for a bowl because you're not good enough to finish with a winning record in your new conference after beating your chests about being able to compete with anybody?

    10+ Win Seasons
    BYU 16, Bronco 5
    Utah 6, Kyle 3

    11+ Win Seasons
    BYU 11, Bronco 3
    Utah 2, Kyle 1

    The truth is, Kyle has had ONE great season, and little else, since taking over a program built by Urban Meyers.

    btw, BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams in 2012; how many did U play?

  • jdub1942 PROVO, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 11:29 a.m.

    BYU fans dont get it, you lost to Utah 4 years in a row, you therefore have no room to talk. Here I am wasting my breath again trying to explain this simple concept.

    "One game does not a season make" will be the response, but byu fans you only have 3 real games in your entire schedule, in which you will lose all of them. If the Utah-Y game was played 12 times (hint the last 12 years) Utah would win 9 of them, with the other 3 being complete miracles.

    Sometimes Y fans will respond with "I said nothing about my team, why did you bring them up?" Of course you didnt mention your team, they are a complete embarrassment, yet you are only commenting on a Utah article because you are a bitter Y "fan."

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 7, 2013 10:36 a.m.

    Speaking of 10 win seasons. Before the shift of the PAC 12 and independence, BYU only led Utah 4 to 3 in that category. During that same time Utah won two BCS games and went undefeated twice. I hear some BYU fans say Bronco has five ten win seasons to Kyle's three, but 2011 (the fifth) might be examined as follows. That was after Utah left the MWC (no longer comparable schedules). Utah went 8-5 in 2011 while BYU went 10-3. However Utah beat BYU in Provo that year 54-10 and played a PAC 12 schedule, while BYU played Hawaii, Tulsa, Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico State, San Jose State, and UCF. That is seven patsies and seven wins (although BYU lost to San Jose State the following year). So BYU went 10-3 and 7-0 against weak teams that year, but was only 3-3 against the rest of the schedule. the wins were over Ole Miss 14-13, USU 27-24 (on the last second deflected pass TD, and Oregon State 38-28. The losses were against Texas 17-16, Utah 54-10, and TCU 38-28.

    SCHEDULE recognition please.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 7, 2013 10:21 a.m.

    Head to head does matter. One game does not a season make? Sure. I get that, but what does a season consist of? It consist of a schedule, one that is not comparable for Utah and BYU. When they had comparable schedules in the Bronco and Kyle era before the 2011 shift, Utah was one game better. Since that point, BYU has been four games better despite losing 4 in a row to Utah. Duh, it's schedule. Isn't that obvious behind the blue glasses.

    Now we can go back to 1984 forever. BYU fans can talk sagarin ratings ect... That stuff is so secondary to head to head and the here and now instead of glory day accomplishments.

    That said, you could say Utah has BYU's number and that doesn't mean Utah is better because of overall record and such. Well okay, but BYU has wanted to beat Utah more than ever and hasn't done it. It's not like they showed up and lost an anonymous game and went on to a ten win season of greatness.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 7, 2013 10:14 a.m.

    Here are the couch potato bowl comments again. BYU has made bowls in recent years in large part because they beat patsies on half of their schedule, while losing more than half their games against legit opponents. The Utes have lost more than half their games against legit competition as well, but don't have breaks in the war of attrition against smaller programs.

    Yes playing a PAC 12 schedule is far different than playing BCS opponents sprinkled in a MWC or independent schedule. Case in point; Utah had the best record against BSC teams of any other non BCS program from 2000-2010 going 17-6. That was better than BYU, TCU, and Boise State. What has changed? No Utah hasn't gotten worse in their talent and coaching. It is the schedule, one in which Utah beats BYU regularly.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    Uteology

    It's laughable that Utah fans like to pretend that the bcs is the end all be all of college football achievements, yet when it comes to citing final rankings, the Utes always refer to the AP poll, which has absolutely NOTHING to do with the bcs. As USC proved, you don't even have to play in the bcs championship game in order to win the AP national championship.

    Bottom line: AP Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 17 (including a national championship)
    Utah 5 (including a distant 2nd in their best finish ever)

    Bronco has almost as many AP Top 25 finishes since 2006 (four), as the Utes have in their entire history (five).

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    Uteology

    AP/Coaches Rankings (1936 to 2013)

    BYU
    2011 ur/#25
    2009 #12/#12
    2008 #25/#21
    2007 #14/#15
    2006 #16/#15
    2001 #25/#24
    1996 #5/#5
    1994 #18/#10
    1991 #23/#23
    1990 #22/#17
    1989 #22/#18
    1985 #16/#17
    1984 #1/#1
    1983 #7/#7
    1981 #13/#11
    1980 #12/#11
    1979 #13/#12
    1977 #20/#16

    Utah
    2010 ur/#23
    2009 #18/#18
    2008 #2/#4
    2004 #4/#5
    2003 #21/#21
    1994 #10/#8
    1964 ur/#14

    Of the 1053 AP Polls:
    BYU has been ranked in 22%: 11 times (Preseason), 17 times (Final), 236 Weeks (Total)
    Utah has been ranked in 7%: 2 times (Preseason), 5 times (Final), 77 Weeks (Total)

    AP Top 25 During the Bronco/Kyle era
    Bronco 4
    Kyle 2

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 7:15 a.m.

    The Ute meltdown has started. Just reading a few of these comments you can tell some Ute fans are already frustrated and coming unglued.

    Kind of reminds me of a popular Andy Williams tune...

    "It's the Most Wonderful Time of the Year."

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 7, 2013 12:49 a.m.

    @skywalker

    Slice it however you want, but SIX of Utah's last TEN bowl winning teams weren't good enough to be ranked.

    --------------

    You guys keep switching measurements. First it was opponents rankings then switcheroo to compare head-to-head rankings.

    What you guys won't touch is head-to-head beatings. I don't blame you, you are 0-4 in your annual Super Bowl.

    In the current era as far as bowl opponents, Utah's played and beat better ranked bowl teams.

    As far as accomplishments, BYU has ONE more AP top 25 team. Congrats!

    Undefeated seasons? Utah

    BCS Bowls? Utah

    Most importantly, BCS Bowl game wins? Utah

    Weighted AP Top 25 ranked teams? Utah #2 #4, BYU #12 14 16, Utah #18 21, BYU #25 #25

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 6, 2013 10:36 p.m.

    I like the Utes toughness as well. They are going to get the point where they are very competitive in the PAC. As for talking smack on Utah missing a bowl game last year? Whatever. What you think BYU would go bowling with Utah's schedule? Not a chance. It's easy for BYU to make a bowl game with all the patsies they play each year. Oh by the way, losing to Virginia was every bit as bad as losing to Colorado two years ago. The ACC is a weak conference and Virginia is at the bottom of it every year.

    With Middle Tennessee, Houston, Idaho, and Nevada on the Cougars schedule, of course they go bowling. It took a devastated USU team to help that goal.

    Utah missed a bowl game last year because Whitt decided to develop Wilson rather than stick with Hays and win 6 or 7 games. The big picture was there rather than stick with mediocrity like Bronco did with Nelson the last two years. How much further would Taysom Hill have been if he was developed earlier. A sharp Hill would have given BYU a chance against Utah a few weeks back.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Oct. 6, 2013 10:32 p.m.

    Uteology

    two words: reading comprehension

    let's try it again:

    If Utah's bowl winning teams were really any good, why weren't they good enough to be ranked?

    1999 UNRANKED Utah wins Las Vegas Bowl
    2001 UNRANKED Utah wins Las Vegas Bowl
    2003 #21/#21 Utah wins Liberty Bowl over UNRANKED/#51 So Miss
    2004 #4/#5 Utah wins Fiesta Bowl over #25/UR/#55 Pittsburgh
    2005 UNRANKED Utah wins Emerald Bowl
    2006 UNRANKED Utah wins Armed Force Bowl
    2007 UNRANKED Utah wins Poinsettia Bowl
    2008 #2/#4 Utah wins Sugar Bowl over #6/#6/#6 Alabama
    2009 #18/#18 Utah wins Poinsettia Bowl over UNRANKED/#46 California
    2011 UNRANKED Utah wins Sun Bowl

    Slice it however you want, but SIX of Utah's last TEN bowl winning teams weren't good enough to be ranked.

    Only FOUR of Utah's last twelve bowl teams (33%) finished in the AP Top 25.
    While SIX of BYU's last twelve bowl teams (50%) finished in the AP Top 25.

    As much as Utah fans like to beat their chests about how great their bowl winning teams were, the simple truth is, most of them weren't good enough to be ranked in the Top 25.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 10:24 p.m.

    @talkinsports

    Please read Spokane Ute's post. Your fan base doesn't quite seem to get the rules of trash talking. It goes like this: You earn the right to trash talk when your team BEATS your rival's team. When you lose, as your team has done for 4 years in a row, it is wise to keep quiet. And be humble.

    A humble byu fan? Now that's an oxymoron.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 6, 2013 8:09 p.m.

    @talkinsports

    If Utah's bowl winning teams were really any good, why weren't they good enough to be ranked?

    * crickets *

    ------------

    Huh?

    In the BCS era THREE Utah bowl opponents were ranked before and after the game:

    #25 Pitt, #6 Bama, #9 Boise... Utah went 2-1.

    BYU over the same period?

    #10 Marshall, #17 Louisville , #25 Cal (were not raked before the game)... BYU went 0-3.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 6:52 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Utah fans offering lame excuses for why their bowl opponents have been so pathetically weak and why so few Utah bowl winners have been ranked.

    Here's a clue - one mediocre team beating another mediocre team in a bowl doesn't make either of them a good team, much less, a ranked team.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Oct. 6, 2013 6:06 p.m.

    Uteology

    It's laughable that U have to cut things off with an artificial bcs era time period, as if "bcs" has anything to do with the quality of competition Utah has faced in bowl games.

    Pre-bowl, just like pre-season rankings are meaningless; the ONLY rankings that matter are final end of season rankings.

    Since Utah fans count wins against AP/Coaches ranked and unranked teams, and the AP/Coaches polls don't rank all teams, Sagarin gives a much more accurate picture of quality of bowl opponents.

    As SportsAuthority already posted:

    Since 1996, Final Sagarin Rankings of BYU/Utah bowl opponents

    BYU - 18, 19, 13, 27, 29, 24, 33, 24, 34, 121, 35, 66; average = 36
    Utah - 46, 54, 37, 51, 55, 41, 65, 74, 6, 46, 6, 56; average = 45

    TEN of BYU's 12 bowl opponents finished in the Top 35
    TWO of Utah's 12 bowl opponents finished in the Top 35

    Slice it however helps you sleep at night, but it's a fact, BYU's bowl opponents have been considerably better than Utah's bowl opponents.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 6, 2013 5:14 p.m.

    At Uteology

    We'll done and nicely played Bro!

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Oct. 6, 2013 5:12 p.m.

    Uteology

    Here's a great idea for improving Utah's SOS; start losing ALL of your games.

    If BYU losing in their bowls was really the only thing that kept BYU's opponents in the polls, how do you explain BYU still being good enough to finish in the Top 25 even with a bowl loss.

    Despite your whiny excuse making, the truth is, both BYU AND BYU's bowl opponents have been BETTER than Utah or Utah's bowl opponents.

    That's why, win or lose their bowl, SEVENTEEN BYU bowl teams have finished in the AP Top 25, while only FIVE Utah bowl teams managed to finish in the AP Top 25, NONE after losing their bowl game.

    If Utah's bowl winning teams were really any good, why weren't they good enough to be ranked?

    * crickets *

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 6, 2013 5:12 p.m.

    BYU fans swarming a Utah thread with no mention of head to head results, now that's curous? What a classy fan base.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 6, 2013 3:33 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    Here's something good ESPN has to say about Utah:

    "Utah won’t make things easy in the South: The conference record might not show it, but Utah is a pretty good football team.

    Despite going 3-0 in its nonconference schedule, the Utes have yet to really make an impact in conference play. But they’ve made it tough for others -- pushing Oregon State into overtime a couple of weeks ago and then putting a scare into UCLA on Thursday. Six Utah turnovers (all interceptions) didn't help its cause.

    As for the Bruins, they survived a tough road game and did nothing to damage their national ranking. For a team that’s expected to be in the hunt for the Pac-12 South, you have to imagine they are happy to have Utah in their rearview mirror."

    I am sure you would agree that there's one other team down south, considering they no longer can beat us, that is also happy to have Utah in their rear-view mirror.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 6, 2013 3:22 p.m.

    @TrueBlue
    @Rockwell

    News flash stop losing your bowl games and watch you bowl opponents drop in all rankings, including Sagarin.

    BYU 6-5 in BCS era in bowl games and Utah is 10-1 over the same period.

    Here are the AP ranked teams for both programs:

    2003: Utah 17 Southern Miss 0 (AP #28 - final #42)
    2004: Utah 35 Pitt 7 (#19 - #25)
    2005: Utah 38 GTech 10 (#24 - unranked)
    2008: Utah 31 Bama 17 (#4 - #6)
    2010: Utah 3 Boise 26 (#10 - #9)
    2011: Utah 30 GTech 27 (#30 - unranked)

    1999: BYU 3 Marshall 21 (AP #11 - final AP #10)
    2001: BYU 10 Louisville 28 (#23 - #17)
    2005: BYU 28 Cal 35 (#31 - #25)
    2009: BYU 44 OSU 20 (#16 - #27)
    2011: BYU 24 Tulsa 21 (#34 - unranked)
    2012: BYU 23 SDSU 3 (#30 - unranked)

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 3:00 p.m.

    The 'paranoia' of Duckhunter alternate names is hilarious.

    Whit's loss of words is going to get worse as to compliments for his team. Utes are now on a tear of 2 conference losses and more are surely to come.

    It's going to seem like a never ending string of moral victories in the 'weekly grind'.

    Watch the Ute fans start slowly disappearing from the stories.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 2:29 p.m.

    @gored

    I didn't even mention another team. I'm specifically talking about the university of utah and their zero percent chance of beating stanford this week. I don't have any "claims" to "support". I'm also talking about whittingham searching hard for something to compliment his team about. If you can't win then what he is doing is what you do, you talk about "heart", or "grit", or "toughness".

    What "tired irrelevant stats from 30 years ago" did I use?

    It appears you can't come up with anything good to say about utah either so you were just pulling some stuff that had nothing to do with anything I wrote out in hopes it would be a slight towards me. Instead it just made things for your school more pathetic.

    LOL!

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 2:06 p.m.

    @ducky (A.K.A. sportsauthoritywannabee, true blue)

    How did your team do against the Utes this year? Last year? The year before? And the year before? Overall?

    Nothing like using relevant facts to support your claims, unlike tired irrelevant stats from 30 years ago which have no bearing on the present.

    Go Utes!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 1:25 p.m.

    At this point it appears whittingham is just searching from something, anything, positive to say about his team. I am sure all the losing is wearing on him and he is at a point that he has nothing really left to say so this is what we are getting. We'll keep getting it to if they can make games close but come up losers. I don't see that happening this next weekend, I think they are going to get pounded so there won't be much of anything for whittingham to try to manufacture a compliment about. But on the outside chance they do keep it reasonably close we'll probably hear the same thing.

  • B C Park City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 12:34 p.m.

    Biggest mistake Hill has made in his scheduling, dropping BYU for the next two seasons; the Utes lose their September bowl and any opportunity to crow about their one-game season versus BYU.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Oct. 6, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    christy

    Better team is determined by overall record and ranking; ask anybody besides a delusional Utah fan, one game does not a season make, even though that's all the Utes been able to accomplish in the last four years.

    Best thing about winning 4 bowls in a row, is the opportunity to go 5 in a row!

    Enjoy the couch potato bowl for the 2nd straight year!

  • 4 in a row! Ogden, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 12:06 p.m.

    Cougs are a better footbal team, just ask them.

    The only thing the Utes have is just score board.

    Best thing about being 4 in a row, is the opportunity to go 5 in a row!

    RES 2016

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Oct. 6, 2013 11:53 a.m.

    Bowl Results

    BYU 13-17-1
    Utah 13-4-0

    Utah fans have been spouting off about SOS recently, yet strangely, they completely ignore how weak Utah's bowl opponents have been

    Average Sagarin Bowl Opponent Rankings since 1996

    BYU - 18, 19, 13, 27, 29, 24, 33, 24, 34, 121, 35, 66; average = 36
    Utah - 46, 54, 37, 51, 55, 41, 65, 74, 6, 46, 6, 56; average = 45

    10 of BYU's 12 bowl opponents were ranked in the Top 35
    only 2 of Utah's 12 bowl opponents were ranked in the Top 35

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 11:18 a.m.

    Latest Sagarin Ratings:

    #29 BYU(3-2) #32 SOS
    #34 Utah(3-2) #15 SOS
    #38 USU(3-3) #41 SOS

    oh christy, too easy

    Most National Championships
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    Most Heisman Trophies
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    Most AP Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 17
    Utah 5

    Most National Individual Awards
    BYU 15
    Utah 0

    Most National Hall of Fame Players
    BYU 6
    Utah 0

    Current Bowl Winning Streak
    BYU 4
    Utah 1

    btw, BYU and Utah have both won 13 bowl games, but BYU also tied 10th ranked Iowa in a bowl

    16 of BYU's 31 bowl opponents were ranked in the final Top 25 in both polls
    only 4 of Utah's 17 bowl opponents were ranked in both polls

  • 4 in a row! Ogden, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 9:50 a.m.

    As long as the haters are on the Utah threads. See moniker above. LOL

    As long as you want to talk about bowl games. Remind me who has the most bowl wins. Remind me who has two BCS bowl championships.

    See you in 2016

    LOL again

  • 4BS St George, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 9:55 p.m.

    Can't wait to see Stanford embarrass the Utes, and Oregon put up about 60 on them. See ya Kyle!! I hope you had fun in the 'big boy' conference, while it lasted.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 9:09 p.m.

    Specifically asked about BYU? Didn't think Dick Harmon would have been there.

  • Funny/witty screen name Orem, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 8:48 p.m.

    @utah72
    No that's what happens when your a wanna be big boy in a big boy conference.

  • Utahute72 Tooele, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 8:21 p.m.

    Hank, That happens sometimes when you're in a big boy conference instead of a "no one wants me" conference. I did notice you were joined in independence by New Mexico State and Idaho. Sounds like the makings of a conference right there. You guys already play them right?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 8:09 p.m.

    "He was specifically asked about BYU." LOL...Thanks for asking.

  • Hank Jr Draper, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 7:11 p.m.

    Not tough enough! "No Bowl Game for Utes"