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Published: Saturday, Oct. 5 2013 1:10 p.m. MDT

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City, Ut

Im pretty law abiding but I had to cheer these folks. The park officials were there working to keep people out and taking pictures and taking down license plate numbers to send out possible citations -- so as long as they're working, why.not be working to let people IN.

Mom of 8
Hyrum, UT

I love it! The parks belong to us, NOT the government. Heck, I thought at one point we WERE the government, but that's a notion long dead.
If I lived closer, I'd be over that gate, too.
Civil disobedience is all we have left. I'm proud of Occupy Zion!

Mesa, AZ

Unbelievable. Employees who work in Springdale as well as those who work in the park are now unemployed, while the politicians who represent these employees continue to draw their salaries.
Tourists who have planned and saved and made reservations are losing money due to cancellations. Foreign tourists are left in a lurch. U.S. citizens cannot enjoy the parklands which their tax dollars have created, but risk repercussions for an act of civil disobedience of climbing a fence to enter the park.

When Obama is introduced abroad is he introduced at the President or as the Democrat? Is he introduced as the leader of the United States or as the leader of the Democrat party? He represents all citizens of this country, including those protestors who climb fences, and he needs to lead this country into consensus.

Cedar City, UT

The only reason the Park is closed is Obama thinks it will help him "win" the latest debt ceiling battle. He does not want to make any concessions. The Park should generate enough revenue not only stay open , but also make money especially Zions in the fall. Very sad to see partisan politics purposefully hurt peoples pocketbooks just to get their way.

Mesa, AZ

It just occurred to me that Interstate Highways are federally funded. Will they be shut down? Let the politicians and their families be inconvenienced and let's see how quickly consensus can be reached.

I spoke to an outfitter/lodge/restaurant owner who told me her business is losing $10,000 a day, and she had to lay off all of her guides. Her business is a small business in a remote area. How much must the folks in Springdale be losing?

Today there was an article online about those federal employees who were furloughed being reimbursed. What about those non-federal employees who work in the park for Xanterra and who work in Springdale for local businesses. Will they be reimbursed?

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

Gallatin, MO

I say if the close down the government it should be those that are not doing their jobs not the ones that are doing their jobs even when they don't know they will be paid for it. Close down the White House, the Senate, and the Congress. Lock the gates until we the people vote in a new President a new Senate and a new Congress. Strip them of all their medical and pensions and round the clock security and tell them to go look for a job and pay for their own medical and live like the rest of us.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

Bad optics for Obama.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

When individuals or groups claim ownership to public property what they are saying is that they have the right to treat the public property as they would their own private property. It just isn’t so. When the real owners of the public property, which includes all of us, make rules for the use of the public property and provides enforcement for those rules, the right to use public property as we would our private property is suspended.

This is the reality of people living together in a civilized society. We trade our right to use non private property as our own for the privilege of controlled using of property that we don’t own privately.

Without enforcement, rules and laws have no effect on the behavior of people. It is impossible to pass a perfect law that pleases everybody and which will observe and respect. It is enough that most people follow the plan laid out by leaders and observe the laws they make.

However, the degree of consequences is different for every law and rule and when a certain is point is exceeded enforcement will need to be increased.

Tremonton, UT

How absurd and arrogant to think the Obama Administration thinks it can close natural areas that have been there since time immemorial. I somehow think that people could navigate the trails just fine as if it were not a park to begin with. \\

They're even trying to close the Ocean down by Florida declaring an entire bay closed just because it is adjacent to NPS land.

Keep overreaching, Barack Obama. Americans, at least those who are not drunk with the Kool-Aid, are catching on what this is all about. Some of us have seen it for a long time.

Counter Intelligence
Salt Lake City, UT

Each day of the shutdown merely increases the evidence of Obama's petulant vindictiveness

Florissant, MO

Part of me says, obey the law, part of me is jealous, would love to be able to go into the tunnel and get lots of pics.

DN Subscriber 2

I'm confused.

There is no money appropriated, so they cannot have federal employees working to open ANY of the parks.

But,there are plenty of Park Service employees busy putting up barrycades and taking photos and warning "trespassers". Just why are THESE employees on the job and getting paid?

When funding is restored, they shoulc cut the amount for the National Park Service by at least as much as they wasted with all their nonsensical attempts to close down public wide open spaces and any area other than a brick and mortar building that is actually manned during public hours.

This is outrageous! Harry Reid and Barack Obama should be ashamed of themselves for the wasteful, arrogant and needless hassles they are imposing on "citizens." But, instead they are celebrating that their plan is working. Disgusting!

Purple lady

This Federal government shut down and National Park situation should help strengthen Utah's future plans for having Federal lands returned to the States. Utah would benefit greatly from having control of all Federal in holdings including the National Parks. We have proven that State control of it's own land is more beneficial for the local population. Think of the tourist trade if the State was in control, or even better County.

Taylorsville, UT

I agree with these kids, if the rangers are there to arrest, open the gates and let Americans enjoy what they own. Truth is, we don't need the park rangers to be there, we can find our own way, their only interest is the revenue to pay their salary. Same with Yellowstone, Yosemite, Grand Canyon and the rest. Open the gates and go away, you just aren't needed.

Eagle Mountain, UT

Normally I would be into this kind of thing, but right now, I think it's just silliness. They are only causing trouble for local authorities...who have nothing to do with the government shutdown. Do you think congress cares that these "rebels" jumped a fence? I think they have more things to worry about. The rangers are there for many reasons, including YOUR SAFETY. They also clean the parks after sloppy tourists who just throw their trash anywhere. Sure, it's "just a park," but why make trouble for the locals who have just been furloughed? Grow up and wait a few days.

Salt Lake City, UT

Our Government has turned against us.

Power to the people!

And Atlas Shrugged. It is all happening.

Omaha, NE

People, if we want to win any fights politically, we should stick to the facts and stop trying to spin things with shaky facts and shaky opinions. For instance, @ winsor and DN Subscriber 2... It seems reasonable to assume that there are perhaps only 2-3 employees there right now. That is not enough to keep the park staffed enough for visitors (according to federal guidelines that minimize lawsuits really). But it is enough to warn people to stay out and collect evidence for those who ignored it, incase federal prosectors want to charge them.
Or @ anyone who is blaming Obama completely for this. Really? This is too easy to see through. Seriously... what are you trying to accomplish. Someone on the opposite side of the political fence won't be convinced by this spin. ONly the naive will, but they will easily be convinced otherwise with a reasonable study of what has happened or someone explaining it and then you will look like a liar.

Having that said, Good for the shutdown. Let's keep everything locked down until they fix it. Simple math that the congress can't seem to understand. Balancing a budget!!

Onion Daze
Payson, UT

Mom of 8 folks:

There are some KC-135 airplanes parked on the east side of the Salt Lake Airport that belong to you. The Utah Air National Guard fly’s and protects property that belongs to us, NOT the government. Do not try going over that gate down there. If you insist on exercising civil disobedience down there, you may experience deadly force.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

As demonstrated by the tea party, disobeying laws to force a point or a repeal is favored in our country now.

Mesa, AZ

We can hope that it's just for a "few days."

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