Despite warnings, protesters climb fence into Zion as act of civil disobedience


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  • Leo Femedlers El Paso, TX
    Oct. 7, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    When I moved to Texas a number of years ago I thought it was odd that the elementary students pledged allegiance to the Texas flag right after the pledge of allegiance to the US flag. I also thought it odd that there were no federal parks in Texas. Although the scenery here isn't as breathtaking as what I've been used to for most of my life I'm feeling fairly liberated right now. I can walk into any of the State Parks and Sites without being turned away by a federal official.

    Who would have thought that freedom (or the lack thereof) would have come to this?

  • ? SLC, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 1:46 p.m.

    Rather than punishing all the rest of us, those elected to office in Washington DC need to punish themselves. Each and everyone one of them needs to hand over their paychecks and not receive any pay whatsoever until they can come to terms all can agree on. Put what they would have earned toward paying down the debt or paying for this new healthcare plan. Whatever standard politicians think the population should live by, they should also be willing to live by, too.

  • Gr8Dane Tremonton, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    Yes, Onion Daze. Good point. But the land of natural parks was there before the guys with Smokey Bear Hats ever came on the scene. Not comparable to KC-135s situation. Fact is, most National Parks are simply too large to police anyway even when the gov't is operating. SIlly to close a road and campground to say that the Park is "closed." Fine, close the campgrounds but not the trails. Or the thru-roads.

    I think citizens ought to feel empowered to just hike in whetever they want.

    There are stories all over america coming out about how the NPS is going way overboard even threatening private concessions and privately operated Mount Vernon to close. Chicago style mobbery. That's what we get with this extreme left-wing President whose only qualification before being elected was a Community Rabble-rouser (oh, excuse me.. "organizer,").

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    And where did it say the people climbing the fence were tea party members? Facts matter.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 9:49 a.m.

    @one vote do you not remember Occupy Wallstreet, that Democrats supported? So fast liberals forget their own actions.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 7, 2013 7:47 a.m.

    Yes! The employee making rules for the employer.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 10:09 p.m.

    Stop show boating. Hassling the over worked park employees that are there to protect YOUR park, is not civil disobedience and has no value. Climb over the fence around congress and the White House if you want to make a point.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 6, 2013 8:43 p.m.

    This is not the fault of:

    A. The Tea Party
    B. Ted Cruz
    C. Republicans
    D. George Bush
    E. All of the above

    The leader is Barack Obama.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 6:43 p.m.

    As soon as someone gets hurt in there and no one comes to rescue them the story will change to ' why weren't they prevented from entering the park?'

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 1:59 p.m.

    one vote

    considering the history of civil disobedience by the left your criticism of the tea party has no credibility, but merely proves liberal hypocrisy

    It is abundantly clear that Obama wants a shutdown because he thinks he will win politically because it diverts attention from his scandals, and he is making it more painful deliberately in an effort to break republicans. Therefore even if both parties are liable, the blame goes to Obama at his point because he is the president and he is NOT leading, he is merely being vindictive towards the general population for political purposes

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Oct. 6, 2013 1:43 p.m.

    Why are the rangers "working to keep people out and taking pictures and taking down license plate numbers to send out possible citations" vs. just letting people in?

    Because it takes a lot fewer folks to guard a single gate than to patrol a huge park. Why patrol the park? Will anyone get into trouble and need rescuing (happened when I visited Bryce)? Will anyone commit vandalism?

    I understand it is unpopular but either they are open or closed. They cannot be both open AND closed.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 1:23 p.m.

    Our esteemed Governor should use the power we gave him to protect our tourism business and send in our National Guard and reopen all parks in Utah. The federal government must be reminded that they serve the people and the states, not the other way around.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 1:07 p.m.

    There are over 300,000,000 people in this country, many of which are dealing with much bigger issues than a dozen people climbing a fence at a temporarily closed park. Why is this even considered news worthy? Must be an extra slow news day!

  • suzyk#1 Mount Pleasant, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 12:46 p.m.

    Hopefully, if anything else, citizens who love our Parks will realize that Obama does not feel the same way. Hopefully, they will not be followers of those who are making life quite sad, miserable and remember this when the Obamaites come forth deceiving the public as they are today. I never thought I would live long enough to witness the selfishness, the greed and the puffed up attitudes that are in the White House, and our Government. They are not all like that but they know who they are. It's a sad..sad...sad day.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 6, 2013 11:29 a.m.

    Heck..... the freeways belong to the government.... and we are the government..... so we should be able to do what ever we like.... correct? How dare they tell me they - the government - has rules.

    And for sure.... my house is my own.... how dare they tell me I can provide drinks to kids under age.... its my house, I will do as I will.

    I get protesting. Did they try picketing the park? Did they think about holding a rally? Did they organize a community protest?

    No.... they just wanted to go on a hike... do what was fun for them. This had nothing to do with a protest, or Occupy Zions. This is I want to go hiking. If they wanted to impact change, doing something self-serving isn't the path forward. This is just more self interest we see so commonly now days. This is the antipathy of patriotism... it is selfism.

  • The Final Word Alpine, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    So I won't have a shuttle or a Ranger. Why can't I just go walk around on our land anyways?

    This is just case and point of how self-important the government believes it is. It will exert its power over you at any opportunity.

    Both parties are guilty but one is certainly worse than the other at removing freedoms.

    Vote to make it stop. Stop being so apathetic to these dictatorial egomaniacs.

  • Anti Government Alpine, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    Do you need any more evidence demonstrating that the government believes it is MORE and BIGGER than the people it represents?

    Our land paid for with our money and yet the obama beauracrats try to block you from using it and then attempt to intimidate you with the threat of fining you for using something that is already ours to begin with.

    People need to wake up and get a clue and stop voting these big government people into office.

    There are quotes from Rangers around the country essentially stating they have been told to "make it as miserable as possible for people".

    The government is a leech on our liberty and freedoms.

    Vote them all out every term until they get the message they are accountable to us.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 9:14 a.m.

    No, the only reason the parks are closed is because Congress didn't fund them.

  • azresident Mesa, AZ
    Oct. 6, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    We can hope that it's just for a "few days."

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    As demonstrated by the tea party, disobeying laws to force a point or a repeal is favored in our country now.

  • Onion Daze Payson, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 7:42 a.m.

    Mom of 8 folks:

    There are some KC-135 airplanes parked on the east side of the Salt Lake Airport that belong to you. The Utah Air National Guard fly’s and protects property that belongs to us, NOT the government. Do not try going over that gate down there. If you insist on exercising civil disobedience down there, you may experience deadly force.

  • Hamath Omaha, NE
    Oct. 6, 2013 5:02 a.m.

    People, if we want to win any fights politically, we should stick to the facts and stop trying to spin things with shaky facts and shaky opinions. For instance, @ winsor and DN Subscriber 2... It seems reasonable to assume that there are perhaps only 2-3 employees there right now. That is not enough to keep the park staffed enough for visitors (according to federal guidelines that minimize lawsuits really). But it is enough to warn people to stay out and collect evidence for those who ignored it, incase federal prosectors want to charge them.
    Or @ anyone who is blaming Obama completely for this. Really? This is too easy to see through. Seriously... what are you trying to accomplish. Someone on the opposite side of the political fence won't be convinced by this spin. ONly the naive will, but they will easily be convinced otherwise with a reasonable study of what has happened or someone explaining it and then you will look like a liar.

    Having that said, Good for the shutdown. Let's keep everything locked down until they fix it. Simple math that the congress can't seem to understand. Balancing a budget!!

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 11:58 p.m.

    Our Government has turned against us.

    Power to the people!

    And Atlas Shrugged. It is all happening.

  • JLR Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 9:39 p.m.

    Normally I would be into this kind of thing, but right now, I think it's just silliness. They are only causing trouble for local authorities...who have nothing to do with the government shutdown. Do you think congress cares that these "rebels" jumped a fence? I think they have more things to worry about. The rangers are there for many reasons, including YOUR SAFETY. They also clean the parks after sloppy tourists who just throw their trash anywhere. Sure, it's "just a park," but why make trouble for the locals who have just been furloughed? Grow up and wait a few days.

  • CynicJim Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 8:56 p.m.

    I agree with these kids, if the rangers are there to arrest, open the gates and let Americans enjoy what they own. Truth is, we don't need the park rangers to be there, we can find our own way, their only interest is the revenue to pay their salary. Same with Yellowstone, Yosemite, Grand Canyon and the rest. Open the gates and go away, you just aren't needed.

  • Purple lady LOA, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 8:51 p.m.

    This Federal government shut down and National Park situation should help strengthen Utah's future plans for having Federal lands returned to the States. Utah would benefit greatly from having control of all Federal in holdings including the National Parks. We have proven that State control of it's own land is more beneficial for the local population. Think of the tourist trade if the State was in control, or even better County.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 7:11 p.m.

    I'm confused.

    There is no money appropriated, so they cannot have federal employees working to open ANY of the parks.

    But,there are plenty of Park Service employees busy putting up barrycades and taking photos and warning "trespassers". Just why are THESE employees on the job and getting paid?

    When funding is restored, they shoulc cut the amount for the National Park Service by at least as much as they wasted with all their nonsensical attempts to close down public wide open spaces and any area other than a brick and mortar building that is actually manned during public hours.

    This is outrageous! Harry Reid and Barack Obama should be ashamed of themselves for the wasteful, arrogant and needless hassles they are imposing on "citizens." But, instead they are celebrating that their plan is working. Disgusting!

  • MoJules Florissant, MO
    Oct. 5, 2013 7:01 p.m.

    Part of me says, obey the law, part of me is jealous, would love to be able to go into the tunnel and get lots of pics.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 6:29 p.m.

    Each day of the shutdown merely increases the evidence of Obama's petulant vindictiveness

  • Gr8Dane Tremonton, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 5:19 p.m.

    How absurd and arrogant to think the Obama Administration thinks it can close natural areas that have been there since time immemorial. I somehow think that people could navigate the trails just fine as if it were not a park to begin with. \\

    They're even trying to close the Ocean down by Florida declaring an entire bay closed just because it is adjacent to NPS land.

    Keep overreaching, Barack Obama. Americans, at least those who are not drunk with the Kool-Aid, are catching on what this is all about. Some of us have seen it for a long time.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 5:12 p.m.

    When individuals or groups claim ownership to public property what they are saying is that they have the right to treat the public property as they would their own private property. It just isn’t so. When the real owners of the public property, which includes all of us, make rules for the use of the public property and provides enforcement for those rules, the right to use public property as we would our private property is suspended.

    This is the reality of people living together in a civilized society. We trade our right to use non private property as our own for the privilege of controlled using of property that we don’t own privately.

    Without enforcement, rules and laws have no effect on the behavior of people. It is impossible to pass a perfect law that pleases everybody and which will observe and respect. It is enough that most people follow the plan laid out by leaders and observe the laws they make.

    However, the degree of consequences is different for every law and rule and when a certain is point is exceeded enforcement will need to be increased.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 4:56 p.m.

    Bad optics for Obama.

  • mattmo Gallatin, MO
    Oct. 5, 2013 4:11 p.m.

    I say if the close down the government it should be those that are not doing their jobs not the ones that are doing their jobs even when they don't know they will be paid for it. Close down the White House, the Senate, and the Congress. Lock the gates until we the people vote in a new President a new Senate and a new Congress. Strip them of all their medical and pensions and round the clock security and tell them to go look for a job and pay for their own medical and live like the rest of us.

  • azresident Mesa, AZ
    Oct. 5, 2013 4:04 p.m.

    It just occurred to me that Interstate Highways are federally funded. Will they be shut down? Let the politicians and their families be inconvenienced and let's see how quickly consensus can be reached.

    I spoke to an outfitter/lodge/restaurant owner who told me her business is losing $10,000 a day, and she had to lay off all of her guides. Her business is a small business in a remote area. How much must the folks in Springdale be losing?

    Today there was an article online about those federal employees who were furloughed being reimbursed. What about those non-federal employees who work in the park for Xanterra and who work in Springdale for local businesses. Will they be reimbursed?

    The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

  • SoUtBoy25 Cedar City, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 3:34 p.m.

    The only reason the Park is closed is Obama thinks it will help him "win" the latest debt ceiling battle. He does not want to make any concessions. The Park should generate enough revenue not only stay open , but also make money especially Zions in the fall. Very sad to see partisan politics purposefully hurt peoples pocketbooks just to get their way.

  • azresident Mesa, AZ
    Oct. 5, 2013 2:40 p.m.

    Unbelievable. Employees who work in Springdale as well as those who work in the park are now unemployed, while the politicians who represent these employees continue to draw their salaries.
    Tourists who have planned and saved and made reservations are losing money due to cancellations. Foreign tourists are left in a lurch. U.S. citizens cannot enjoy the parklands which their tax dollars have created, but risk repercussions for an act of civil disobedience of climbing a fence to enter the park.

    When Obama is introduced abroad is he introduced at the President or as the Democrat? Is he introduced as the leader of the United States or as the leader of the Democrat party? He represents all citizens of this country, including those protestors who climb fences, and he needs to lead this country into consensus.

  • Mom of 8 Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 1:46 p.m.

    I love it! The parks belong to us, NOT the government. Heck, I thought at one point we WERE the government, but that's a notion long dead.
    If I lived closer, I'd be over that gate, too.
    Civil disobedience is all we have left. I'm proud of Occupy Zion!

  • windsor City, Ut
    Oct. 5, 2013 1:29 p.m.

    Im pretty law abiding but I had to cheer these folks. The park officials were there working to keep people out and taking pictures and taking down license plate numbers to send out possible citations -- so as long as they're working, why.not be working to let people IN.