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Published: Friday, Oct. 4 2013 10:05 p.m. MDT

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Bruce A. Frank
San Jose, CA

I never thought I'd see the day when self-sufficient Utahans would be so poorly informed as to think defeat Obamacare wasn't worth the fight. It is a sad day when the independence of members of the LDS faith is no longer a dominant force in the once great state of Utah.

SoCalUte
Trabuco Canyon, CA

Of all places, I just can't believe that Utahn's are so dependent upon federal government for their existence. FYI, The less government the better. The government shut down is well worth getting rid of Obama's communist medical care plan.

TeaPublican
Houston, TX

I can't believe there is such a high demand for a program that will destroy our America. I hope these kinds of people don't get too comfortable with their new health insurance, because we will be taking it from them when we TeaPublicans take back our America in 2014 and 2016! Just a fact of life folks. So you better prepare for it!

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Re:rvalens2

Sorry.
You are correct. If Idaho had accepted federal help and expanded Medicaid as other states have, you would qualify for substantial subsidies. Because your income is so low, most likely you will not be required to pay the fee/tax imposed on those who choose to not buy health insurance.

I would suggest you contact your states legislators to let them know how you feel.

TeaPublican
Houston, TX

I heard at coffee this morning that if the TeaPublican hostage taking works and obamacare is defunded, that there is already a TeaPublican group that wants to hold the government hostage until all government taxpayer subsidies are eliminated. Yup, either eliminate all subsidies going to Utah and other States or the government will stay shut down! I know the majority of taxpayers will support that.....so I think you people in Utah and others better start preparing for the future!

djk
blue springs, MO

then the utah citizens are supporting obama's high priced deals that destroy our country. i am supporting the shut down. some need to make a stance and be firm. obama is not to be believed.

Clint
Bluffdale, UT

The damage that will be done to our country by the Unaffordable Care Act will far outweigh the short term damage by a minimal shutdown of the government. Obamacare does nothing of the things it proposed to do and it costs far exceed the proposed costs. It is already causing more damage than the shutdown is causing. If anyone is really concerned about the innocent people who are being hurt then urge the Senators to pass the bills from Congress to fund the government. Urge the President to quit being so spiteful. Then lets get down to dealing w the monstrous disaster that is Obamacare.

Nanook of the North
Phoenix, AZ

Wow. The hate and the ignorance here about Obamacare is appalling. I have spent the last 5 years living and working in the US (I'm a Canadian), in the health insurance industry, in Medicaid, and I'm up to my elbows in Obamacare. And you know what? IT'S WORKING. It is NOT the boogeyman so many commenters here think it is. I don't know what you've been listening to (although I can guess), but despite its faults, the Affordable Care Act has already gone a long way to making healthcare more affordable for EVERYONE, even those who already have decent health insurance. And now, lots of uninsured people can get affordable insurance through the exchanges, which means that they can get minor problems fixed at a doctor's office, rather than wait until they become big ER problems that WE all have to pay for when they can't pay. 99% of the things I've read here in the comments about Obamacare are dead, dead wrong. "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." --Thomas Jefferson to Charles Yancey, 1816.

Truthseeker2
SAN LUIS OBISPO, CA

"Congress, however, has failed to address the worst excesses in the federal budget -- the bloated, highly wasteful military budget. More than half of federal discretionary spending now goes to the military budget.

Including all the extra expenditures for various unlawful overseas military exploits, the U.S. defense budget for 2013 is estimated to be around $716 billion (not counting defense expenses in other civilian departments.) To strike a comparison,China, the next biggest military spender, has a budget of $106 billion as reported by their government. Remarkably, you can add the military budgets of the next ten largest spending countries and still not match the U.S.'s astronomical military budget -- which is fully half of the U.S. government's entire operating budget, post Soviet Union, no less!

Which leads us the most important question -- where do all these billions of dollars go?

The GAO every year declares the Pentagon budget to be "un-auditable." The GAO website lists the DOD financial management as "High Risk", reporting that: "Significant financial and related business management systems and control weaknesses have adversely affected DOD's ability to control costs; ensure basic accountability; anticipate future costs......"
(Ralph Nader 10/4/13)

Jerome from Layton
Layton, UT

The House has sent between three and four dozen bills to do something about Obama "Care" that have died in the Senate the same way Illinois Senator Obama voted to treat abortion survivors. Finally, the House got some leverage (the Continuing Resolution) to force Senators to "cowboy up" and actually vote on the thing. Hanging tough is running about six to one among those I know, most of us on Furlough status. This "survey" is part of the campaign to split the Republicans in order to get a CR including Obamantion out of the House. There is no such thing as a "clean" CR, especially this infected one.

By the way, I recently saw a letter from a person's employer informing him that his current health plan did not conform to the ACA and that he had to make some choices. When I checked with the UTAH Insurance Commission, I found that choice is Hobson's. (See Canterbury Tales)

Jerome from Layton
Layton, UT

The pie charts could be interpreted several ways due to the huge "fence sitting" group (41% Both equally to blame). Wait until that 56% get their "sticker shock" at the exchange. I know of one person who will find out that his health plan will have to be replaced because the employer's plan is not in compliance with the ACA. So, the reasonably priced high deductible plan goes away and now he will get coverage for a pelvic exam, among other things.

ProudUtahn
St. George, Utah

Their is a Video on U tube, from a talk show, they went out on the side walk and talked to the people of Los Angeles. The question was: Do you prefer the affordable care act or Obama care act? 100% liked the affordable care act because it gave American's a choice and options.
None of them liked the Obama care act because it forced the public into something they did not want. These people were inbaresed when they were told they were the same thing. This is how the American public (who has a short memory) form their opinion now days by the media, who is very liberal and for the president. last election Obama swore he would not raise taxes on the middle or low income people. HE DID.
@ Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA "@ Autumn: Do you think Christ would be against providing Health Care to all Americans?" Answer: not the way this is being provided, we already have Medicaid and other programs for the truly needy. There are those who would rather have their toys than insurance (there are programs that help them to when they need) Jesus Christ taught agency and love, not force and intimidation.

Truthseeker2
SAN LUIS OBISPO, CA

Re:JeromefromLayton

If you are covered by a plan that existed March 23, 2010, your plan may be "grandfathered." You may not get some new rights and protections that other plans offer.
Here's a quick look at the consumer protections that do and don't apply to grandfathered plans:

All health plans must:

End lifetime limits on coverage
End arbitrary cancellations of health coverage
Cover adult children up to age 26
Provide a Summary of Benefits and Coverage (SBC), a short, easy-to-understand summary of what a plan covers and costs
Hold insurance companies accountable to spend your premiums on health care, not administrative costs and bonuses.

Grandfathered plans DON'T have to:

Cover preventive care for free
Guarantee your right to appeal
Protect your choice of doctors and access to emergency care
Be held accountable through Rate Review for excessive premium increases

In addition to the above, grandfathered INDIVIDUAL health insurance plans (the kind you buy yourself, not the kind you get from an employer) don't have to:

End yearly limits on coverage
Cover you if you have a pre-existing health condition

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

Christ's view of healthcare:

Christ healed the sick free of charge and voluntarily. So did his disciples.
He never forced anyone to be healed.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

@gildas

Great suggestion!

Republican MD's should heal patients free of charge and voluntarily.

We know evil Democratic MD's would never do this.

Well...maybe they might...if the Republican MD's would show them by example...

Who knows?

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

@ProudUtahan

I really enjoyed your comment.

Please continue to share your opinions with DN Readers.

Thanks.

Brown
Honeyvale, CA

Dan Jones calls folks they believes will give them a certain response. I have participated in many of their polls but they didn't call me for this one. Go figure, I am sure it is because of the responses I have given in other polls.

It is all a racquet and your reporting is biased. Where is Matheson? I haven't heard anything from him. He doesn't represent Utahans. He represents himself and flies under the radar. Why did you even pull him into this article? I am sure only to help with his re-election campaign. Get some integrity Ms. Roche.

We should Stand For Something. Matheson stands for nothing but his desire to be re-elected.

The President and Senate's temper-tantrum could shut down some more Veteran's Memorials and refuse to sign the bills the House is sending to fund the government. Obamacare is a symbol of the Democrats passing legislation only to say they did it, who cares how good or well thought out. Other polls show 70% of Americans don't like Obamacare and Mike Lee represents that. Wow, a politician who actually tries to represent his constituents.

Captain Green
Heber City, UT

Senators Cruz and Lee are Patriots just like our Founders who understood well and fought for proper principles of governance. They are heroes in my view and I support them wholly! We must do battle against the evils of Socialism which will destroy our once great republic faster than just about anything else.

And for Baccus0902... No, the Savior would "not" approve of a Marxist plan to provide something for some at the expense of all others whose tax dollars are confiscated by force. Charity is to be done only by individuals voluntarily... never through mandatory taxation of the government! It's the difference between good & evil.

Therein lies the difference between Bleeding-heart Liberals, who are wrong, and Patriotic Conservatives, who are right. One system works, is fair, and sustainable, the other always fails.

The Socialist programs of Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare are all bankrupt with well over "120 Trillion Dollars" of unfunded obligations. And the Leftists think we can somehow now afford to add a Socialist program that will dwarf these others in its astronomical cost.

Only those who believe in the destruction of America could support the Affordable Care Act! To survive we must abolish it!

Captain Green
Heber City, UT

Good for you, Autumn! It gives me hope for the survival of our once great republic that good people like Senators Lee and Cruz are standing strong against the massive opposition of the Socialist Left, who are determined to destroy America.

Neither the President nor the Senate have the authority to force funding of this Socialized Medicine plan being forced upon us against our will. Only the House decides how and where our tax dollars are spent!

We should be encouraging them to keep fighting against implementation of the Affordable Care Act... regardless of how long the federal government must remain shut down. This is a VERY GOOD reason to do it. And I applaud these Patriotic Senators wholeheartedly.

Almost everyone I have talked to here in Utah feels the same way. And so I also question how they came up with these numbers.

Captain Jim Green

Serenity
Manti, UT

I sure found out something scary which came to a head during this shut down. Obamacare is a tax imposed on the American people under the guise of health insurance. It went through Congress as a tax and that's why Obama was so adamant that it was funded. That's why the expensive insurance premiums (Affordable Health care, my foot) and the fines for employers and people who choose not to participate. I am proud of the House for sticking to their principles. I sure hope they don't give in to the greed of this administration.

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