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Published: Friday, Oct. 4 2013 10:05 p.m. MDT

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TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

Obamacare is akin to the money changers thrown out of the temple by Christ.....he never once said overtax the people and make all people suffer while the politicians play golf and trip around the world on the backs of the faithful! He instead encouraged us to take care of the poor through charity and love...

LittleStream
Carson City, NV

The biggest tragedy in all of this is that the Americans that need Affordable Health Care are so confused at this point. It is sad. I refuse to talk to anyone about "Obamacare" (a term I believe Republicans came up with to help voters not like the plan. I will only discuss "Affordable Health Care" and I refer them to the government site to get answers to their questions.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

The Tea Party put their red line in the sand and though a small part of the Republican Party by elected officials have pushed their agenda to every Republican house member by calling those Republicans unfaithful to their party. The Tea Party is not a party and their media process is almost as bad as the President's. Chaffetz and Lee are not the state of Utah but they were elected to represent Utahns and not their own biased views.

The media loves to use the Tea Party against the Republicans in a way that will destroy the Republican party's credibility, if they still have any.

Split and Divide the right and left flanks has been going on since Cain and Abel to the demise of part of them or both. Ishmael and Isaac are still out there for the near future.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

I checked with all of my sources...

Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Drudge, right-wing ultra-conservative blogs...

Not one of these gold standard trusted sources of information agree with this article/poll.

As far as polling goes...I like the results of polls that confirm my preconceived bias.

My bias in this case?

After carefully listening to all the sources listed above, I have come to the conclusion voiced by the Republican Rep. from South Carolina MD Kris Crawford and echoed by the behavior of all Republicans...

"...It is good politics to oppose the black guy in The White House especially for the Republican Party...".

bullet56
Olympia, WA

In Graduate school for my MPA degree, I took a year long course in Qualitative and quantitative data and statistical analysis. (yawn, but needed) I learned the difference that answering big questions comes from good polling, that MUST include at the minimum, 1,500 random samples to be accurate. A poll of 410 people, who live in unknown areas, do not represent the mood of any group, except the 410 people who were polled. I think a better study would result in different numbers. I blame the GOP leader for the shut down because he will not bring a the budget to be voted on straight up or down. It would pass if the teapublicans would get up off the floor where they are in tantrums.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

Heh, half of you all must still think Romney was leading going into election night (all that polling data that led to Nate Silver getting all but maybe Florida, which turned out to be the closest state, right ended up pointing to the answer anyway).

Nonconlib
Happy Valley, UT

The results of this poll are hilarious but predictable. Of course most Utahns will not blame the Republicans in the House for this circus. But that doesn't change the facts. If they had not insisted on tying a totally unrelated piece of legislation (which they knew would go nowhere) to a pedestrian funding bill, the government would not have shut down.

But apparently neither our Congressional representatives nor the majority of Utahns understand the dangerous game they are playing. This game of hostage taking and ransom demands opens the gate for using this tactic on every sort of legislation imaginable in the future, which would spell the end of constitutional government. Remember, GOP and Utah, what goes around comes around. You think there will not be long-term ramifications to this stunt? Fortunately, the rest of the country is not so gullible as Utah.

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC

I didn't support Senator Lee when he ran for office, but I support him now.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

There's a long established process for passing a budget and for repealing legislation.

Republicans have refused to "negotiate" with Democrats on a budget since March 2013, despite repeated requests from the Senate Budget Committee. The Senate however, put the House budget measure up to a full vote and it didn't pass.

The House alone can't repeal legislation. The majority control of our federal governing body is held by the Democrats.

These T-Party appeasing legislators are a very dangerous, reckless and extremist group and they are bringing down the good faith and credit the world had in the U.S. They are also responsible for the first downgrade in history of the credit rating of the U.S.

A Mormon from UT is front and center of this group.

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC

Polls are always misleading and biased. You can never get the truth out of them because it depends on what kind of people respond to them. Only the gullible trust polls.

Lightbearer
Brigham City, UT

Re: "Do you think Christ supports abortion?"

"Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off ... And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire."

Likewise, it is better for the mother's salvation that she pluck out her fetus rather than bear a child and mistreat it because it isn't wanted. Better, too, for the child, which is not only spared earthly suffering, but as we know, "all children who die before they arrive at the years of accountability are saved in the celestial kingdom of heaven," which is the ultimate goal.

A General Authority once said: "Sometimes I have thought that probably some of these choice spirits did not need the experience here in mortality like other children, and that is why the Lord has seen fit to call them home."

You can't thwart God. Since He knows who will have an abortion, naturally He places those spirits who do not need mortal experience in vessels from which they will soon return to Him.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

It looks like the citizens of the State of Utah have more sense that their elected officials. You don't shut down the government to make a political statement on one issue. I'm a registered Republican who doesn't recognize the party anymore. Its time to return power to Republicans who understand their first job is to govern, not play political games with people's lives and the country's safety. If we don't show people like Lee and Cruz the door, Republicans will quickly become irrelevant.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

@ Sammyg 9:08

Baccus0902

"@ Autumn: Do you think Christ would be against providing Health Care to all Americans?"

Sammyg : "Do you think Christ supports abortion?"

A long time ago I decided that I would support life and I do. That is why I don't believe in capital punishment. However, I hear of many women that face abortion to save their own life, others because their pregnancy is product of rape and or incest. Sometimes the fetus/baby may be growing with a horrible disease. You may be bringing a baby to a world that is cruel and poor in material, social and spiritual conditions i.e. Somalia, or worse condition here in the U.S.A.

I answering your question: I believe that Christ gives us our free agency, education and intelligence to make difficult decisions.

That is why I think ACA is consistent with Christianity. All citizens should enjoy health care and have their free choice.

ACA is about health and dignity for all. Christ would approve.

Gof
kaysville,, UT

There is a reason the article doesn't explain how the poll was taken. I have been polled before and its obvious how they were slanting it then. It can be slanted anyway the little progresives wimps at the paper want. I have no doubt they only polled Utah residents in SLC area who never have been and never will be Utahns.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Fewer Americans now describe themselves as supporters of the Tea Party movement than did at the height of the movement in 2010, or even at the start of 2012. Today's 22% support nearly matches the record low found two years ago.
(Gallup Sept 2013)

"The unfavorable numbers for the tea party movement are also at an all-time high in CNN surveys.
Thirty-one percent say they see the tea party in a favorable light, while 54% hold an unfavorable view of the of the movement now in its fifth year."
(CNN Sept 2013)

The nationwide survey found that 72% disapprove forcing a shutdown as a means of halting implementation of the Affordable Care Act. Just 25% approved. Independent voters (76 percent) give a thumbs-down to the shutdown. Even those who don’t like the Affordable Care Act — popularly labeled Obamacare — disapproved of the shutdown by a 59-38 percent margin.
(CBS Oct 2013)

Paddycakes
Prescott, AZ

This problem is 100% caused by the Republicans in general and the Tea Party in particular. Those miscreants are going to pay a price for causing this come election time. It is a last-ditch effort to derail health care which is the law of the land. Republican are the bane of America.

Rebe
Herriman, UT

I am a Republican, and while I feel that many issues still need to be addressed and fixed in the ACA, I am 100% against the shutdown of the government over it. It should be a separate issue and the only people getting hurt once again, are the "little guys." I am tired of the Tea Party and I am tired of the extreme liberals in our Congress. No one wants to compromise! For those that think the Dan Jones Poll isn't accurate, I absolutely believe it is because all of my family and friends that are Republican are completely against the shutdown!

riverofsun
St.George, Utah

It is now crossing the mind of many that Lee and Cruz know this is the grand finale of both of their political careers.
Because of this, they will try to destroy any thing that is beneficial. As they continue their idiotic and unpatriotic behavior, these two hope to drag as many other politicians and voters into their web of destruction as possible.

rvalens2
Burley, ID

@Baccus0902

"ACA is about health and dignity for all. Christ would approve." -Baccus0902

Yes, Christ would want health care and dignity for all, he just wouldn't force the poor and indigent to have to pay for it at the point of a gun.

Here in Idaho, there will still be an estimated 70,000 poor people which ObamaCare does not subsidize and whom the Federal government will still demand pay for their own health care insurance, even though they live below the Federal government's poverty line.

How in the world is an individual who makes less than $11,490* per year going to pay for health insurance that will cost them over $300.00 per month? (single male over 50) They simply cannot afford do it. Medicaid was not expanded in Idaho and does not cover the working poor. To those would say it's the State of Idaho's fault for not covering them, I say baloney ... the ACA, if enacted properly, should have covered everyone who does not meet their state's Medicaid guidelines. As a result, there are still going to be millions of people in the U.S. who do not have health insurance.

*(2013 Federal poverty line)

Gregg Weber
SEATTLE, WA

The Bombardier Beetle has an amazing weapon. But I saw a video of it use it when it was already encased in the spider's wrapping and therefore only hurting itself.
If not now, when do we stand up?

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