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Published: Saturday, Oct. 5 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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utah chick
cedar city, UT

What news publications are you reading? Please state your sources.

ECR
Burke, VA

Just where to start with the misconceptions contained is the letter is the challenge for the day.

The re-election of President Obama certainly is a vote in favor of the ACA because it was the most hotly discussed issue in the campaign with the president's opponent vowing to end it. The opposition lost.

Yes, "Obamacare" was the most partisan social program ever because Republicans, who previously promoted and supported provisions of the ACA, used it as their opening salvo to "make President Obama a one term president."

"..and made legal by a single supreme court justice who turned sides." John Roberts is a Supreme Court Justice - the Chief Justice - and he's not supposed to take sides. Now there's a clarification for you.

"Much like his re-election, President Obama will now likely be a default winner because of the current ill-conceived strategy to defund this monstrosity." Except for the assertion of it being a "monstrosity" this is actually a fair statement. If Congress wants to change or eliminate the ACA they should do it the Constitutional way - through the legislative process, not by putting 1 million people out of work.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

I think the larger picture is that the system is so broken and our politics and nation have become so polarised that what you're seeing is not winning by default but the new normal. Besides, you're in utah. It's almost sacrilegious to say that the republicans didn't put up a viable candidate last time. We wanted obamacare. I think we wanted a whole lot more out of it. At least we got the ball rolling; these days that is so much harder, and soon I fear it will not be possible at all.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

If Obamacare is as bad as you think, the best Republican strategy would be to let it go into effect. Then you can campaign against it and win elections. Once you control both houses of congress and the presidency, you will easily be able to repeal it.

The GOP's real fear is that Obamacare will work reasonably well and people will like it.

Star Bright
Salt Lake City, Ut

I guess Ryan, this is what is being taught to our students at BYU by Davis. The des news seems to be so happy to have him as a regular to show how liberal they really are. I wonder if BYU feels the same way?
How would 0bama feel if when unions strike the CEO of a company said, "no negotiations - shut the business down?" He'd have a cow! In fact, I think he said something like that when he was off his teleprompters.

FreedomFighter41
Provo, UT

If Obamacare is as bad as the GOP is trying to make it out to be... Then they would want it implemented ASAP!

Nothing would help the GOP's cause and election chances if Obamacare turns out to be a train wreck. It would virtually guarantee a GOP win for the white house in 2016.

Yet... If Obamacare isn't as bad as the GOP says it is, then you almost guarantee another Democrat in the White House for 8 more years!

Now you know why the GOP is fighting this so hard.

Lastly, no Republican voted for it because they wanted to make this Obama's Waterloo. Remember, the minority speaker of the Senate clearly stated the GOP's agenda, "To make Obama a one-term President."

Steve C. Warren
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

When it comes to the passage of a law like the Affordable Care Act, here's what matters very little in the world of Ryan Phillips: a majority in the U.S. Senate, a majority in the U.S. House, the signature of the president, a ruling upholding the law by the U.S. Supreme Court, and Americans giving a majority of their votes in 2012 in presidential, Senate and House races to the party that backed the ACA.

Here's what matters very much in the world of Ryan Phillips: public opinion polls, which tend to be skewed by the fact that many who respond to them think there's a big difference between the Affordable Care Act and Obamacare.

KJB1
Eugene, OR

If we're supposed to governing by public opinion polls, then why weren't stronger gun control regulations passed after the shootings in Newtown last year? 90% of Americans said they wanted them...

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

We may not like it, but it's going to happen. We just need to deal with it.

I would like to think that if enough people don't like it... we can change it down the road, but when Democrats paint any alternative as "Evil Republicans trying to take your healthcare away"... it's obvious there is no turning back once people have been promised a panacea.

President Obama keeps saying he knows it's not perfect and needs to be changed (in his own speeches)... but he has also said that "There is only one answer"... (basically my way or the highway). Obama and Reid have rejected out of hand every change Republicans have proposed in the years it's taken to get this implemented, except the delay of the individual mandate for big businesses (which was Obama's idea, and that's the ONLY reason it was allowed).

Don't tell me the only change Republicans have proposed was to end it. Many proposals have been made and rejected that were short of repeal.

This was rammed down Republicans throat without even TRYING to compromise to get even ONE minority vote. You gotta expect some backlash.

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

And the broken record goes round and round and no one on the right will take it off the squawk box. Ryan Phillips you need to check into the so-call polls. It is true that a majority don't want the ACA but at least 16% in the poll believe the ACA doesn't go far enough, in other words, like me, they believe the best option is a single payer system ie. HR676(Medicare for all). In conclusion that means that a minority would go back to the old ways of denying people for pre-existing conditions, to the #1 reason for personal bankruptcy and having insurance companies performing in the regular and recurrent role of "meeting of the death panel" and monopolistic healthcare. Healthcare shouldn't be a commodity sold to the highest bidder. Why don't you opt out of your insurance plan Ryan and report to us how your family copes getting care paid for by us through the emergency room.

KJB1
Eugene, OR

2 bits:

Conservatives can pout all they like, but the fact that the ACA was enacted without your idea of "compromise" is completely irrelevant. It was passed by the House, passed by the Senate, signed into law by President Obama, and upheld by the Supreme Court. Fair, square, and by the book. If the likes of Cruz, Lee, and the Tea Party really respected the Constitution a fraction as much as they claimed, they would be trying to repeal it by following the due process of law. They don't have the votes to accomplish that, so we're in this mess instead.

It's as simple as that.

redshirt007
tranquility base, 00

Yet every poll clearly shows the public highly approves of each individual benefit of Obamacare such as no preexisting condition limits, no lifetime caps, parity for men and women ect.

Japan, Australia, Netherlands and Switzerland all have a similar system to Obamacare. It will be ok.

Shaun
Sandy, UT

Congress and their staffers are not exempted for Obamacare, but congress had health insurance through their employer, the federal government. As a political play Senator Grassley provided an amendment to Obamcare that congress and their staffers must get insurance through the new healthcare exchanges.

The problem is, like most employers they pay a portion of the premiums for their employees healthcare, but since congress would now have to get their own insurance through the exchanges it would be a pay cut for them since the government would not be paying a portion of their healthcare. Now Senator Grassley supports having the government give congress and their staffers money to buy insurance on the exchanges.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

The government has three branches of Government, the Legislative, the Executive and the Judiciary. The Legislative has two parts, the House, representing the People and the Senate representing the States. The Executive executes the laws passed by the Legislature. The Executive does not legislate nor does it judicate; it executes the law. The Judicial branch judicates the laws passed by the Legislative Branch. It is required to use the Constitution as the "measuring stick" against which all law is judged.

With that background, let's look at ObamaCare. The Legislative Branch decided to abandon the Constitution when it required us to purchase health insurance. The President, who promoted that "TAX", was happy to sign that bill. The Court rejected its mandate and told us that "elections have consequences". Duh! Judges are appointed, not elected. They are safe from their rulings - unfortunately.

The People rejected ObamaCare.

The States rejected ObamaCare.

The Legislature passed it over those objections.

The President signed it over those objections.

The Court threw out the Constitution when it ruled (health-care is not one of the 17 enumerated duties of Congress).

That melt-down continues and too many ignore the Constitution as they post.

utah chick
cedar city, UT

@ Mike Richards

Who won the last election? Was it Mitt Romney???????

The people voted. The ACA is the law of the land. Good grief man, get over it.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Ryan.... you comments would be valid if the "majority" you speak of that aren't happy, were no all unhappy for the same reason. The truth of the matter is a portion of those who are unhappy are so because they don't feel it goes far enough.

And unhappy doesn't mean repeal. In most polls people want the law fixed, not repealed. Those who want the law repealed all together usually comes in at the 30-40 percent range.... which is also the same amount that is the happy crowd as well. The swing crowd is the fix it crowd.

But hey.... those kinds of numbers and discussion doesn't sell advertising, now does it.

Kimber
Salt Lake City, UT

Some misconceptions about "Obama Care" are that there is something inherently wrong with it. This is not true since it is only fixing a badly broken health insurance system. Another misconception is that it can just be "repealed". It has already been running for close to 4 years and now has the final phase starting. "Open Enrollment" is now until Dec. 15th and I am one that has just enrolled and am happy that I will now have a plan (a regular Utah insurance plan) where I won't have pre-existing conditions. This is what I was denied insurance for when I became self employed and tried to get a private plan. I was offered "HIP" of Utah, but couldn't afford it and it had a very high deductible and poor coverage.
So, it's here to stay and has been and will help millions. The country will get used to it like it did Medicare in 1965. The Tea Party in Congress is not informed correctly!

Truthseeker2
SAN LUIS OBISPO, CA

Several polls show that when people are asked about specific parts of ACA/Obamacare, most people overwhelmingly approve of the parts. A study with researchers from Stanford, Princeton, University of Michigan, and other found If the public had perfect understanding of the elements that we examined, the proportion of Americans who favor the bill might increase from the current level of 32% to 70%.

An IPSOS Poll conducted for Reuters showed over 70% approved of: creating an insurance pool, giving subsidies to low income individuals, requiring companies with over 50 employees to provide insurance, expanding Medicaid, increasing the Medicare payroll tax for those making over $250,000, preventing insurance company's ability to ban pre-existing conditions, or dropping people when they become ill, keeping young adults on parent policies until age 26 etc. The only measure not popular was the individual mandate.

The simple fact is that many people have no idea what ACA/Obamacare is, OR they have false information about what it entails. The media, left, right and middle have not provided fact-based information, leaving snake-oil salesmen like Limbaugh and others to "fill-in the gaps."

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