Published: Saturday, Oct. 5 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
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Just where to start with the misconceptions contained is the letter is the
challenge for the day. The re-election of President Obama certainly
is a vote in favor of the ACA because it was the most hotly discussed issue in
the campaign with the president's opponent vowing to end it. The
opposition lost.Yes, "Obamacare" was the most partisan
social program ever because Republicans, who previously promoted and supported
provisions of the ACA, used it as their opening salvo to "make President
Obama a one term president." "..and made legal by a single
supreme court justice who turned sides." John Roberts is a Supreme Court
Justice - the Chief Justice - and he's not supposed to take sides. Now
there's a clarification for you."Much like his re-election,
President Obama will now likely be a default winner because of the current
ill-conceived strategy to defund this monstrosity." Except for the
assertion of it being a "monstrosity" this is actually a fair statement.
If Congress wants to change or eliminate the ACA they should do it the
Constitutional way - through the legislative process, not by putting 1 million
people out of work.
I think the larger picture is that the system is so broken and our politics and
nation have become so polarised that what you're seeing is not winning by
default but the new normal. Besides, you're in utah. It's almost
sacrilegious to say that the republicans didn't put up a viable candidate
last time. We wanted obamacare. I think we wanted a whole lot more out of it. At
least we got the ball rolling; these days that is so much harder, and soon I
fear it will not be possible at all.
If Obamacare is as bad as you think, the best Republican strategy would be to
let it go into effect. Then you can campaign against it and win elections. Once
you control both houses of congress and the presidency, you will easily be able
to repeal it. The GOP's real fear is that Obamacare will work
reasonably well and people will like it.
I guess Ryan, this is what is being taught to our students at BYU by Davis. The
des news seems to be so happy to have him as a regular to show how liberal they
really are. I wonder if BYU feels the same way?How would 0bama feel if
when unions strike the CEO of a company said, "no negotiations - shut the
business down?" He'd have a cow! In fact, I think he said something
like that when he was off his teleprompters.
If Obamacare is as bad as the GOP is trying to make it out to be... Then they
would want it implemented ASAP!Nothing would help the GOP's
cause and election chances if Obamacare turns out to be a train wreck. It would
virtually guarantee a GOP win for the white house in 2016.Yet... If
Obamacare isn't as bad as the GOP says it is, then you almost guarantee
another Democrat in the White House for 8 more years! Now you know
why the GOP is fighting this so hard. Lastly, no Republican voted
for it because they wanted to make this Obama's Waterloo. Remember, the
minority speaker of the Senate clearly stated the GOP's agenda, "To
make Obama a one-term President."
When it comes to the passage of a law like the Affordable Care Act, here's
what matters very little in the world of Ryan Phillips: a majority in the U.S.
Senate, a majority in the U.S. House, the signature of the president, a ruling
upholding the law by the U.S. Supreme Court, and Americans giving a majority of
their votes in 2012 in presidential, Senate and House races to the party that
backed the ACA.Here's what matters very much in the world of
Ryan Phillips: public opinion polls, which tend to be skewed by the fact that
many who respond to them think there's a big difference between the
Affordable Care Act and Obamacare.
If we're supposed to governing by public opinion polls, then why
weren't stronger gun control regulations passed after the shootings in
Newtown last year? 90% of Americans said they wanted them...
We may not like it, but it's going to happen. We just need to deal with
it.I would like to think that if enough people don't like it...
we can change it down the road, but when Democrats paint any alternative as
"Evil Republicans trying to take your healthcare away"... it's
obvious there is no turning back once people have been promised a panacea.President Obama keeps saying he knows it's not perfect and needs to
be changed (in his own speeches)... but he has also said that "There is only
one answer"... (basically my way or the highway). Obama and Reid have
rejected out of hand every change Republicans have proposed in the years
it's taken to get this implemented, except the delay of the individual
mandate for big businesses (which was Obama's idea, and that's the
ONLY reason it was allowed).Don't tell me the only change
Republicans have proposed was to end it. Many proposals have been made and
rejected that were short of repeal. This was rammed down Republicans
throat without even TRYING to compromise to get even ONE minority vote. You
gotta expect some backlash.
And the broken record goes round and round and no one on the right will take it
off the squawk box. Ryan Phillips you need to check into the so-call polls. It
is true that a majority don't want the ACA but at least 16% in the poll
believe the ACA doesn't go far enough, in other words, like me, they
believe the best option is a single payer system ie. HR676(Medicare for all). In
conclusion that means that a minority would go back to the old ways of denying
people for pre-existing conditions, to the #1 reason for personal bankruptcy and
having insurance companies performing in the regular and recurrent role of
"meeting of the death panel" and monopolistic healthcare. Healthcare
shouldn't be a commodity sold to the highest bidder. Why don't you opt
out of your insurance plan Ryan and report to us how your family copes getting
care paid for by us through the emergency room.
2 bits:Conservatives can pout all they like, but the fact that the
ACA was enacted without your idea of "compromise" is completely
irrelevant. It was passed by the House, passed by the Senate, signed into law
by President Obama, and upheld by the Supreme Court. Fair, square, and by the
book. If the likes of Cruz, Lee, and the Tea Party really respected the
Constitution a fraction as much as they claimed, they would be trying to repeal
it by following the due process of law. They don't have the votes to
accomplish that, so we're in this mess instead. It's as
simple as that.
Yet every poll clearly shows the public highly approves of each individual
benefit of Obamacare such as no preexisting condition limits, no lifetime caps,
parity for men and women ect. Japan, Australia, Netherlands and
Switzerland all have a similar system to Obamacare. It will be ok.
Congress and their staffers are not exempted for Obamacare, but congress had
health insurance through their employer, the federal government. As a political
play Senator Grassley provided an amendment to Obamcare that congress and their
staffers must get insurance through the new healthcare exchanges. The problem is, like most employers they pay a portion of the premiums for
their employees healthcare, but since congress would now have to get their own
insurance through the exchanges it would be a pay cut for them since the
government would not be paying a portion of their healthcare. Now Senator
Grassley supports having the government give congress and their staffers money
to buy insurance on the exchanges.
The government has three branches of Government, the Legislative, the Executive
and the Judiciary. The Legislative has two parts, the House, representing the
People and the Senate representing the States. The Executive executes the laws
passed by the Legislature. The Executive does not legislate nor does it
judicate; it executes the law. The Judicial branch judicates the laws passed by
the Legislative Branch. It is required to use the Constitution as the
"measuring stick" against which all law is judged.With that
background, let's look at ObamaCare. The Legislative Branch decided to
abandon the Constitution when it required us to purchase health insurance. The
President, who promoted that "TAX", was happy to sign that bill. The
Court rejected its mandate and told us that "elections have
consequences". Duh! Judges are appointed, not elected. They are safe from
their rulings - unfortunately.The People rejected ObamaCare.The States rejected ObamaCare.The Legislature passed it over
those objections.The President signed it over those objections.The Court threw out the Constitution when it ruled (health-care is not
one of the 17 enumerated duties of Congress).That melt-down
continues and too many ignore the Constitution as they post.
@ Mike RichardsWho won the last election? Was it Mitt
Romney???????The people voted. The ACA is the law of the land.
Good grief man, get over it.
Ryan.... you comments would be valid if the "majority" you speak of that
aren't happy, were no all unhappy for the same reason. The truth of the
matter is a portion of those who are unhappy are so because they don't feel
it goes far enough. And unhappy doesn't mean repeal. In most
polls people want the law fixed, not repealed. Those who want the law repealed
all together usually comes in at the 30-40 percent range.... which is also the
same amount that is the happy crowd as well. The swing crowd is the fix it
crowd.But hey.... those kinds of numbers and discussion
doesn't sell advertising, now does it.
Some misconceptions about "Obama Care" are that there is something
inherently wrong with it. This is not true since it is only fixing a badly
broken health insurance system. Another misconception is that it can just be
"repealed". It has already been running for close to 4 years and now
has the final phase starting. "Open Enrollment" is now until Dec. 15th
and I am one that has just enrolled and am happy that I will now have a plan (a
regular Utah insurance plan) where I won't have pre-existing conditions.
This is what I was denied insurance for when I became self employed and tried to
get a private plan. I was offered "HIP" of Utah, but couldn't
afford it and it had a very high deductible and poor coverage.So,
it's here to stay and has been and will help millions. The country will get
used to it like it did Medicare in 1965. The Tea Party in Congress is not
Several polls show that when people are asked about specific parts of
ACA/Obamacare, most people overwhelmingly approve of the parts. A study with
researchers from Stanford, Princeton, University of Michigan, and other found If
the public had perfect understanding of the elements that we examined, the
proportion of Americans who favor the bill might increase from the current level
of 32% to 70%.An IPSOS Poll conducted for Reuters showed over 70%
approved of: creating an insurance pool, giving subsidies to low income
individuals, requiring companies with over 50 employees to provide insurance,
expanding Medicaid, increasing the Medicare payroll tax for those making over
$250,000, preventing insurance company's ability to ban pre-existing
conditions, or dropping people when they become ill, keeping young adults on
parent policies until age 26 etc. The only measure not popular was the
individual mandate. The simple fact is that many people have no
idea what ACA/Obamacare is, OR they have false information about what it
entails. The media, left, right and middle have not provided fact-based
information, leaving snake-oil salesmen like Limbaugh and others to "fill-in
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