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Published: Thursday, Oct. 3 2013 12:05 p.m. MDT

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CKS007
Clearfield, UT

If the Republicans had offered the people an alternative plan to the ACA, then I could see them having a leg to stand on. Instead this past year they have tried to eliminate the whole law with nothing in return. Offer an alternative or try to fix the parts of the ACA that are broken (and yes there are some bad parts to this law). No wonder the population believes that the fringe elements have high jacked the Republican party and trying to drive it over a cliff. The Republicans will be the hurting come the next election especially if we continue to get embarrassments like Mike Lee running for office.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

Re Rainman

The Republicans had every opportunity to participate in the debates of Obamacare they didn't want the healthcare solution for the American people, they were too busy looking after the interests of the upper classes.

Instereo
Eureka, UT

Governor Herbert is just chiming in with more partisan rhetoric.

We didn't have health care for millions of citizens. It has hurt our country along with the citizens. The republicans had years to address the problem but they never did and now that there's a law addressing it, they want to get rid of it instead of fix it.

Governor Herbert is not helping the current standoff in Washington DC. He's just getting in line with all the other Tea Party politicians and forgetting a huge segment of our population.

A Guy With A Brain
Enid, OK

@ JD Jones - Salt Lake City, UT - "What happened to Republicans respect for the rule of law? ACA is now law, so whether or not you agree with you it, if you shut down the government and hint that you won't raise the debt ceiling unless you get your way, you can't say you also respect the rule of law."

Yeah, way to blame the Republicans. Simply say "they don't respect the law".

JD, Republicans/conservatives do respect "law", but we have even MORE respect for WISDOM and COMMON SENSE.

If it were a "law" to jump off a cliff, would you do it?

Same thing applies here.

Obamacare is a disaster and will prove to be the "law" that broke the camel's back if it goes through full force. Look at what Johnson's "Great Society" legislations (Medicaid/Medicare/increased welfare) did to America. It absolutely destroyed our work ethic and our public morality. Yes, destroyed it. Those programs have morphed into unending government "feed me" programs waaaaaay into the billions $$$ every year.....overbudget and broke, both financially and morally.

"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty."

-Thomas Jefferson

Bob K
porland, OR

Rainman
Syracuse, UT
I blame them all! I agree that what the Republicans are doing is stupid but the Democrats shoved this law down all our throats when they had control of the house and senate. If they would have negotiated a bi-partisan deal back then, the Republicans would have had some skin in the game and we wouldn't be having this conversation....

You forget that:
A-- most of the bill was originally proposed by republicans, even Romney used to like it
B-- we all would be much better off if Reagan or Nixon had handled this, but the rich interests that were against it then are even stronger now.
C-- I remember very clearly that the President kept inviting republicans to put in suggestions and improvements, to no avail.
D-- in fairness, when republicans have control or when a republican President nominates a Chief Justice who wants to get rid of popular and fair laws, do the democrats have childish tantrums and cry foul?

Esquire
Springville, UT

The Governor is dead wrong on this. I cannot believe he, as a Governor, does not recognize the precedent of a fringe element holding the budget and the economy hostage because they don't like a previously enacted law rather than a more orderly, rational approach such as pursuing a bona fide legislative agenda. In the future, will extreme elements from either the left or the right hold our nation hostage in order to get their way, even though they are in the minority, and legislation that has already passed, been adjudicated, and ratified by the voters? Is this the kind of country we want to live in? Even those on the right should fear this outcome, because the tables could turn on them if this effort prevails. Talk about undermining the Constitution (but I've maintained for a long time that desptie their rhetoric, the greatest threat to the nation will come from the right, not the left).

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Both parties quit representing 'the people' a long time ago. What they represent is themselves and the corrupt money flowing into their coffers. Of course, the question has to be asked of the Democrats, who are are so ardent about the Republicans, or the Tea party, destroying the Constitution is this: How does one have faith in a leader of our country who demands whomever he wants to obey the law of the land (AFA), but excludes himself and others (Big business) from obeying it. This is as close to a dictator as you could get without a prison sentence for political views (which is just around the corner, if it isn't here already). I don't see anyone calling 'Marxist' philosophy 'hate speech', but how many 'old men' and others out there would put a Tea party member in jail for just expressing their viewpoint. If someone expresses the viewpoint of retaining limited government, is it 'hate speech'? Nah, grow up Americans. You have only yourself to blame, whether Democrat or Republican. Bury them both by looking at yourself.

Esquire
Springville, UT

@ bandersen, the business about excluding government leaders from the ACA (not the AFA) is not correct. Do a little research on the issue (and not right wing/conservative advocacy sites).

TeaPublican
Houston, TX

Is our Republican Conservative Leader and radioi host Glen Beck RIGHT? He warned the closing of the WW II Memorial by that guy Obama was a sign that Obama could be preparing for mass killings! He said it could be proof of a communist revolution that could end with millions dead! And then Rick Joyner, a leading Republican Christian leader, said "there is no way our Republic can last much longer. That there are forces right now that are seeking to undermine and to destroy the Republic. We're headed for serious tyranny....I appeal to the Lord: "Please don't let us be totally destroyed, please raise up those who will save us! I believe our only hope is martial law" Oh no, is this why Obama wanted to take away all of our guns? We TeaPublicans WILL take back our America in 2014 and 2016....wnd we will take back this Obama Communist movement too! "P n P" in 2016.....Perry and Palin...yes folks, it IS going to happen!

Mike in Cedar City
Cedar City, Utah

This tea party blame Obama spin is like a guy who tried to kill his parents and then complains when they cut him out of their will. Herbert needs to quit worrying about blame game over the shutdown, and get with the program to fund the Utah Medicaid expansion or there will be about 300000 people who will still not have health coverage even after the ACA succeeds.

And what is wrong with the Utah's exchange web sites? Too much public interest, or a perhaps a little right wing sabotage?

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

Ok liberals explain why the Tea Party is to blame and the Democrats are not? They are both standing up for what they believe in (regardless if you agree with either group), and are willing to fight for what they believe.

The hypocrisy of the left is on display here as the liberals refuse to even negociate or engage in civil discourse over the issue, while complaining that the Tea Party won't just cave in and do what the liberals want.

Bob K
porland, OR

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT
Ok liberals explain why the Tea Party is to blame and the Democrats are not? They are both standing up for what they believe in (regardless if you agree with either group), and are willing to fight for what they believe.

The hypocrisy of the left is on display here as the liberals refuse to even negociate or engage in civil discourse over the issue, while complaining that the Tea Party won't just cave in and do what the liberals want......

NO -- the TPs are trying to extort the President to change a law that has been on the books for 4 years. There were many offers to negotiate, but all the TP do is make a mockery of the House: no jobs bill, no infrastructure repair, no this, no that, no nothing, except for 4 dozen votes for a repeal that the Senate will never pass.

If the Dems give in to the blatant bullying, the Country is lost, as the system of Government will be defeated.

Sometimes your side loses, and you move on.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Bob K" what offers to negociate have there been? Obama and most of the senior Democrat leadership has made it very clear that Obama does not want to negociate.

The bigger question is why shouldn't we reconsider the ACA? It has already caused insurance prices to jump by 25% or more. It only gets coverage to 15 million of hte 45 million uninsured. It's requirements are so bad that many large businesses, unions, and government agencies have had to get exemptions. The whole process has been rushed to the point that Obama had to delay implementation for a large portion that applied to businesses.

Overall, the ACA has been a failure and has caused more problems than it solved. Why shouldn't we debate how to fix or replace the mess it has caused?

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