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Published: Thursday, Oct. 3 2013 12:05 p.m. MDT

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marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

"...the GOP governor also refused to rule out tying the Republican efforts in Congress against the law to the upcoming debate over raising the nation's debt ceiling." A default would lead to reduction of or ending of social security.

A piece of advice to Governor Herbert: don't even think it!

JD Jones
Salt Lake City, UT

What happened to Republicans respect for the rule of law? ACA is now law, so whether or not you agree with you it, if you shut down the government and hint that you won't raise the debt ceiling unless you get your way, you can't say you also respect the rule of law.

Anyone who blames Obama and Democrats on the shutdown is not thinking clearly, and doesn't have much in the way of morals. If Republicans don't agree to raise the debt ceiling because they don't get their way, the fault rests squarely on Republicans. If someone came to your house and said, "if you don't let me destroy your polluting truck, I will kill your dog", who would deserves most of the blame? The person making the threat or the person or the dog owner? Who would be charged for a crime? Republican Congressmen might be acting on their conscience, but it's a very warped conscience, and its very much grounded in ego, for they want to be heros for their ignorant tea party voters.

The Hammer
lehi, utah

The Governor is right. Obamacare was rammed down the GOPs throat and if the Democrats are going to play the political game that way than they will have a backlash they will have to deal with later. If the dems don't see it coming there will come a time when the tea party becomes politically adept enough to win the races necessary to swing the pendulum back the other way. And Democrats will have burned the bridges necessary to stop what may come.

Kings Court
Alpine, UT

I hope the Tea Party keeps it shut down as long as possible, because that will also mean the end of the Tea Party. The end is in sight. Hurray!

UtahCentrist
Salt Lake City, UT

"Obamacare was rammed down the GOPs throat"

The ACA was passed by both houses of congress, signed by the president & upheld by the SCOTUS. That's the process as laid down in the constitution by the founding fathers, which conservatives claim to revere. Only as long as it is convenient, apparently.

Why is it that so many Republicans believe that if they don't agree with the results of a bill, they get to disregard it and throw wrenchs into the proceedings of government? Where is it written in the constitution that one party has to be 100% placated, even if it goes against the legislative process? Where does this sense of entitlement come from that, regardless of the results of elections and the normal operations of our country, that their opinion is the only one that truly matters?

Want to get your way with laws? Win elections, gain majorities and pass bills using the mechanisms of government. Holding hostages, be it a person or a nation, is what bullies do when they can't get their way through normal acceptable means.

The Tea-Party GOP are acting like spoiled children, not rational stewards of our nation.

The Skeptical Chymist
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Go ahead, tea party members. Throw your little whiny hissy fit. When you're done, the country will know you for what you are: bullies who will take the whole country hostage to get your way.

The ACA was legally enacted into law, it was verified to be constitutional by the Supreme Court, Obama was re-elected in what was in large part a referendum on this law, and the Senate was retained by the Democrats, again in affirmation of this law.

These tea party folks are essentially saying: "Nice economy you got there. Wouldn't it be a shame if something happened to it. You know I can protect it for a price..."

The Democrats (Obama included) are exactly right to tell them where they can go.

Ranch
Here, UT

"Let's eliminate the burr under the saddle."

By ensuring that ALL Americans have health care? I'm with that, but I don't think that's what Herbie meant.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"[R}respect for the rule of law?"
What about Obama's illegal granting of exemptions and delays to his cronies, contrary to the existing law?

The Republican House is acting in full accordance with the Constitution with regard to their power of the purse, and even though a program is enacted in one year, that does not commit future Congresses to funding it, or prevent them from prohibiting expenditures to carry out functions which exist in law. (Example- Congress has explicitly prohibited the DOJ from acting on federal expungement requests to restore gun rights for nearly 20 years.

The House passed numerous bills authorizing full funding of individual departments, and even everything but Obamacare. Harry Reid's petulant rejection of these efforts to fund government operations make it a DEMOCRAT shut down, no matter what the biased media or Democrats tell you.

The damage done by allowing Obamacare to be implemented far exceeds any harm from a temporary suspension of non-essential federal government functions.

christoph
Brigham City, UT

Governor, please: we will have decades to amend this law, why hyperventilate over it this week? It is law. And people may or may not sign up for it. There is a lack of leadership in Utah if you are paying 13 million to the losing bidder for a state contract and nobody knows about it, including yourself.

Conner Johnson

Gov. Herbert could have been one of the few state leaders that accepted the ACA, and given everyone in Utah the opportunity to have Health Care. Now well be thanking the Federal Government for implementing the law, not the governor. Thanks for nothing, yet again, Gary!

David
Centerville, UT

Democratic claims that Obamacare is law and is not to be revisited is interesting, as Obama has changed the law unilaterally a number of times since it was passed. If the law is not to be revisited, then why is it being modified so often by Obama and the Democrats.

I say revisit the law! Rewrite what isn't working, isn't wise, and isn't good. Keep the good parts of the ACA.

But Obama, Reid and the Democrats who refuse to go into conference over budget discrepancies are simply bullying Americans. Engaging in compromise through conference between the House and Senate occurs every year! Why not now? Because Democrats want to shut down the government and try to blame it on Republicans.

Its time for adults to lead in DC. Send the children to timeout. We should start with Obama and Reid.

ronnie
sandy, utah

"If people are that passionate about a piece of legislation they're willing to go to that length, we ought to look at the legislation," Where has the Governor been? The House does not practice the art of legislation nor do they care. The House passed about 40 bills to eliminate the ACA but it went no where because they do not have the votes to get it passed in the Senate, let alone override a presidential veto. By the way, during the previous 40 bills never once did the House try to negotiate a change or propose delays or other modifications to the law...and now they are complaining that no one is willing to play ball with them. They are the height of hypocrissy.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Gotta try to keep the Tea Party happy, eh? Governor Herbert, you may succeed in that goal, but what about the majority of sane Utahns who are not drinkers of tea?

Informed Voter
South Jordan, UT

JD Jones: Glad to see you believe in the rule of law. Your President does not...he unilaterally ignores or amends parts of Obamacare to suit himself and his friends. He has no authority to change the Obamacare law! Can't you see that? He and Holder also refuse to enforce other laws they do not like....so don't tell me we should obey the obamacare law, when obama himself doesn't.

Furthermore, the Constitution provides for the House of Representatives to authorize spending. It is within the law to revise what is spent and/or restructure the debt spending. This is what government budgets are meant to do. BTW, Reid has not allowed the Senate to propose a budget for several years. How about his violation of law by refusing to do so? Spending called for by obamacare is way too much and therefore the House should not go along with this crazy addiction to spending and taking on more debt.

Rainman
Syracuse, UT

I blame them all! I agree that what the Republicans are doing is stupid but the Democrats shoved this law down all our throats when they had control of the house and senate. If they would have negotiated a bi-partisan deal back then, the Republicans would have had some skin in the game and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Reasonable Person
Layton, UT

Exemptions?

ANYONE who already has health insurance is "exempted" from buying insurance under the Affordable Care Act!
How (I'll used the nice word) "uninformed" do you have to be, to not figure that out for yourself.

Most Truthful and Patriotic
Layton, UT

David says "as Obama has changed the law unilaterally a number of times since it was passed."

Wrong. The President HAS NOT (and CANNOT) do that to any law.

I believe Utah has a problem with education and information of its citizens. Rather than going to the source for information, they have some strange backchannel of "stuff" that they would rather believe.

E Sam
Provo, UT

It genuinely doesn't matter how passionately conservatives feel about the ACA. It's the law of the land, and will be implemented. And no, the President hasn't 'unilaterally amended the law.' A couple of minor provisions were delayed slightly because those participating weren't quite ready. Don't blow that up into a constitutional crisis.

Scott12345
Salt Lake City, UT

I can agree with Herbert's quote in the last sentence: "I think there's a dearth of leadership in Washington, D.C." I think that applies to both sides.

I'm not so sure I agree with Mike Lee's and the GOP tactics, in forcing a shutdown, and some of Herbert's other quotes herein. (I didn't view Herbert's whole statement, and sometimes news services, including the DesNews, can skew the meaning of quotes...)

viejogeezer
CARLSBAD, CA

Informed:
Didn't the Senate pass a budget earlier this year? And hasn't Boehner refused to go to conference on it? From what I understand, if the house were allowed to vote on a clean CR it would pass and the whole thing would be over. Why won't he allow the vote? The majority of house Republicans appear to want to distance themselves from nuts like Chafetz and Lee but are more afraid of primary challenges by the lunatic fringe than they are of destroying the economy, which is just what Herbert proposed.

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