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Published: Friday, Oct. 4 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Mainly Me
Werribee, 00

Yeah, so what else is new?

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

Good people give good gifts. There are three gifts that people can give and still keep. They are, their smile, their heart and their word. In my opinion this government is lacking in all three.

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

On top of this, the California government, Jerry Brown and the legislature are saying that they will not cooperate with federal officials, ICE in helping them with illegal aliens. And at this time, Holder has not made any move to sue California for breaking federal regulations. And I used to think Janet Reno was the worst AG in American history.

EPJ
Grantsville, UT

This administration must rely on voter fraud to win elections. If every voter has to produce a valid ID, that puts a damper on their style! Hence the lawsuits to impede transparency at the polls.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

It is sad that states have been able to thwart the Constitution by denying to ability to vote for their citizens.

While there might be logic to a state controlling the voting for state and local governments, there should be no state created impedimental restrictions on voting for representation in our national government.

Any and every adult wishing to vote in the national election should be allowed to do so simply by showing up at the voting place. The only restriction being that a person is not allowed to vote more than once. Perhaps, something like the “purple finger” to prevent multiple voting.

While only actual citizens should vote, it is impossible to determine this and so every adult on American soil and subject to American laws should be allowed to vote in the national election.

In any case, the states must not be allowed to control the voting for our national government.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

The Obama Administration is the epitomy of overreach

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The Administration seems to be getting more and more worried about keeping the States under their thumb. Especially when it comes to elections in the States (which decide the balance of power in Washington). It's almost like the Capitol keeping the Districts in line to keep them subservient to the people in the capitol.

Senator Obama was right. The Constitution IS a document of negative liberties (for the Feds). It tells the Fed Gov what they can NOT do to the people, and tells the people what RIGHTS can't be taken away from them by their Government.

They wanted a Federal Government, but they wanted it to focus on issues between the States (not hovering over the States and telling each State what they must do). They were supposed to be the referee when there were issues between states, and keep States from abusing each other, and defending ALL the States from aggression from foreign nations... but they thought it should be rare when the Feds needed to pass laws on the States or meddle in their day-to-day affairs, redistricting, local legislation, etc.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

It is notable that Republican controlled states felt the sudden need to enact stricter voter ID laws preceding the re-election of a black president, when there is NO evidence of significant or wide-spread voter impersonation. Let us not forget the DOJ under Bush, federal prosecutors, were specifically tasked with uncovering and prosecuting voter fraud. They found but a scant few cases.

In addition to voter ID requirements, some North Carolina law changes:

Eliminate pre-registration for 16- and 17-year-olds, who currently can register to vote before they turn 18.
Outlaw paid voter registration drives.
Eliminate straight-ticket voting.
Eliminate provisional voting if someone shows up at the wrong precinct.
Prohibit counties from extending poll hours by one hour on Election Day in extraordinary circumstances, such as in response to long lines.
Allow any registered voter of a county to challenge the eligibility of a voter rather than just a voter of the precinct in which the suspect voter is registered.

gmlewis
Houston, TX

@Ultra Bob: I really have no problems with showing my Driver's License at the polls. For those who do not have a Driver's License, State ID's should be free. Everyone should be able to get one for many good reasons, including voting privilege.

I think that the application form for Federal candidates should have an IQ/Self Esteem test included. It would consist of a single question "Are you smarter than most voters?" If you answer yes, then your registration would be rejected. That would have saved us untold grief with the current administration.

Steve Cottrell
Centerville, UT

I would like to see Utah eliminate straight ticket voting. To vote, one should need to consider candidates for each office.

Mark B
Eureka, CA

I don't think it's asking too much of EPJ or Mohokat to cite some ACTUAL instances of huge voter fraud which make it necessary to revise voting eligibility in certain GOP-controlled states. This has the net effect of reducing both total voters and voter turnout. The accusation is huge, but still unproven, as Truthseeker points out. Are EPJ and Mohokat absolutely sure they aren't just endorsing something that happens to aid GOP candidates?

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Re:gmlewis

But what would be the requirements for getting a "free" ID?

Certified birth certificate? What if you don't have one? Marriage license? What if you don't have one?
Original Social Security Card? What if you don't have one?

Where would people be required to go for the "free" ID?
Is there public transportation available?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Truthseeker,
So... it's a Conservative Conspiracy if States want voter ID laws.

It's not a Conservative conspiracy. It's motivated more by groups like ACORN going out and registering thousands of people like Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck to vote.

What problem could ANYONE have (even a Democrat) with making sure the voter is who they say they are?

The only person who would have an issue with requiring voter ID would be a person who WANTS voter fraud, and WANTS to make it easier for people who aren't citizens to vote, Felons to vote, people who aren't who they say they are to vote... oh ya... that would be a "Democrat".

Why would you WANT people to be able to vote without ID? Then you have no idea if they are who they say they are. They could commit all kinds of voter fraud. Is that what you WANT?

And if requiring voter ID (which is already law) is a conservative conspiracy... why no complaint about Black Panthers intimidating voters at the polls (which is against the law but the AG refuses to prosecute)?

Do Democrats really want to enable voter fraud??

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@2 bits
If voter fraud happened to any large degree, state legislators in North Carolina and Pennsylvania would've been able to come up with examples but they couldn't.

Mark B
Eureka, CA

The Burden of Proof is on those who want to make changes, large or small, in the laws. Changing laws just because something could possibly happen isn't enough to prevent people from doing what the Constitution allows. What's more, nothing big enough to change an election could happen without being discovered. So, I ask again. Please give a real example of voter fraud that was big enough to change an election. If you know one, that puts you ahead of the entire Bush DOJ.

Mike in Cedar City
Cedar City, Utah

Get serious DMN, it is clear that the door has been sprung wide open to permit states to enact voter laws to limit voting by certain constituents. It is a bald face attempt to return voting to the days of Jim Crow. I am sure that would just be fine for your owners, but its hardly American. The AG is right on, and within his legal rights to challenge these anti democratic new voter suppression laws.

gmlewis
Houston, TX

@Truth Seeker: Citizenship requirements are established when a voter is registered. The State ID just confirms that the person at the voting booth is the same person who registered. The picture is worth a thousand words.

As far as logistics to get a State ID, somehow poor people get to the welfare offices, grocery stores, etc. As I said, everyone should have one, for many reasons beyond just voting,

GZE
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

2 bits,

People do not have to show ID to register to vote. They show ID to actually vote. There is no evidence anywhere that any of those registered under false names ever even attempted to vote.

That was a problem that was caused by offering pay or incentives based on the number of registrations. Unscrupulous people took adavantage of that. My bet is that system is no longer used.

This is not voter fraud.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

re:gmlewis
Wrong.
In order to register to vote in NC, (and most states) one merely has to fill out the voter registration form.

In order to get No. Carolina state ID, one has to submit documents proving:
Age and Identity
Social Security Number
Reisidency

People may have picture ID-and be able to use it for welfare offices, grocery stores etc., but that picture ID may not fulfill the requirements some states have for voter ID. For example, someone having a govt. issued Veteran ID would not have been allowed to vote because the ID did not list an address on it. A student would not be able to use a university issued ID. A senior citizen who no longer drives would not be able to use an expired driver's license.

I can't remember the last time I was asked for ID at a bank or grocery store. I can deposit checks into my bank acct without picture ID. I can use my debit card for purchases without picture ID.

Why no articles in DN about the voter ID or state-issued ID requirements in other states?
Why no articles about the rate/incidence of voter impersonation?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

atl134,
Re: They don't have examples of voter fraud"... Pull your head out of the sand. There are hundreds of thousands of documented cases of voter fraud!!

Put down the demo-coolaid and Google "how widespread is voter fraud".

- To date, 46 states have prosecuted and convicted cases of voter fraud.
- More than 24 Million voter registrations are invalid, yet they remain on the rolls nation-wide.
- There are over 1.8 million dead voters still eligible on the rolls accross the country.
- More than 2.75 million Americans are registered to vote in more than one state
- Maryland has uncovered people registering and voting AFTER their death date.
- 12 Indiana counties have more registered voters than residents!
- Ohio Secretary of State admitted multiple Ohio counties have more registered voters than residents.
- In Florida, the Democratic Party of Florida and the National Council of La Raza are currently under investigation for voter registration fraud.

Why do YOU oppose voters showing ID???

Afraid some illegal aliens aren't going to get to vote for Democrats?
Afraid some felon isn't going to get to vote for Democrats?

Are you OK with black panthers intimidating voters in Democrat States? Eric Holder is!

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