@Badgerbadger --"Hobby Lobby stands to get a good settlement,
and I hope they get it. "Never gonna happen.There is
no law in this country against even "targeted malicious attacks", as
long as the statements are true. If there were such a law, Republicans would be
paying out legal settlements left and right. ;-)
Look how evil they are! They don't even have Hanukkah items for sale! They
must be bigots!Hobby Lobby should sue the news outlets for this
story. Sure customers have the right to ask stores to carry things they are
interested in, but it is not news. No other store would ever have made the news
for not having Hanukkah items. It is purely a targeted attack (with malice) on
their store, which the main stream media has already had in the cross-hairs and
over their stand on the ACA. Hobby Lobby stands to get a good
settlement, and I hope they get it. It would be a great step in stopping
persecution of Christians in America.
@indycrimson --The Orem Costco sells many LDS items and books that I
never see at my Colorado Costco. My Walgreens has t-shirts and sweatshirts for
the local high school. How pathetic that a Hobby Lobby in a town like Marlboro,
NJ, where 25% of the population is Jewish, can't work harder to serve that
market.I agree wholeheartedly that stores should be free to stock
what they want. And I hope that the local Jewish population will exercise their
freedom to boycott Hobby Lobby too.
One $10 per hour employee makes a comment,and the whole company is guilty a
social crime. Seems like an extreme approach to the issue. Hobby Lobby will
probably just go out of business and into another business that is less
Does Deseret Books have to sell Christians items? Like #1 selling NIV Bible. How about items for Bible study like the Greek N.T. and the Greek LXX.
How about Bible aids like Vines concordances and Thayer’s
Lexicon(Greek to English Dictionary). And for serious Bible study Critical
apparatuses for lower criticism. Gifts like crucifixes or
crosses,Of course they don’t,you just go to a Christian bookstore to get
@fllack Its alleged to have been said, no confirmation that it was said.
The point most of the commentors have failed to get is this:‘We don't cater to you people.’
I don't think that its the idea of not having the items, I think the
comment that we don't serve you because you are Jewish, that's the
The comments for the article are great, and quite entertaining. It does seem
like a total non-issue, but it made for an interesting story. I'd never
thought of looking for religious themed goods at Hobby Lobby. I thought of it as
a craft store where you buy supplies and make them into whatever you want.
I've been decorating squash that became too tough for eating. I can make my
silly creatures into any religion I want, but being mentally slow that
hadn't occurred to me.
@ LittleStream:You are missing the entire point of this particular
issue. Hobby Lobby is a retail store... not a religious shrine. They sell craft
items which have the biggest demand. Their primary purpose isn't to try to
promote and demote any particular religion, but to stay in business by showing a
profit... the same goal of all retail stores.But back to your
particular thinking... Though Jesus had Jewish heritage, He has been denied by
the Jews since before his death as being the Savior and Messiah of the world
(which I personally know him to be). The Jews are still waiting for that person.
Therefore, a person or establishment doesn't promote Jesus by catering to
Judaism... or visa versa.
I'm concerned that Hobby Lobby doesn't sell enough Voodoo dolls and
There are dozens of major stores that don't sell Jewish holiday items. Why
hasn't this person complained about them? It's simply because the
owners of Hobby Lobby had the fortitude to stand up for their Christian
religious believes in public. And now detractors are out to try to get them.
It's totally obvious and actually silly that this is considered
newsworthy.The reason so many major stores don't stock these
particular items is because almost all of them would all lose money on them. In
most areas, there simply aren't enough Jews to justify stocking the items.
All retail stores primary purpose is to show a profit. In economics, it's
based off of the law of supply and demand. It's called free enterprise for
a reason. Owners have (or should have) the freedom to sell what and where they
want to. Hang in there, Hobby Lobby. You're in the right...
Business owners can sell / stock what they CHOOSE. If enough of the population
doesn't agree with their selection, pricing, or other factors, they
won't frequent the business and it will go under. Hobby Lobby stocks what
sells, to the most people, for pricing that gives them a healthy profit margin,
and that's why they are successful. Perhaps the blogger should
start his own Hanukkah themed outlet store, if it's an underserved market.
"Sadly, this Oklahoma-based business owner, David Green (which sounds pretty
Jewish) equates being a Christian with disregarding Jewish holidays in a town
such as Marlboro, New Jersey, which is 1/3 comprised of Jews,” she wrote.
“His response is fluff talk for what appears to be unequivocal
anti-semitic feelings.”Wait a sec...so the fact that the store
doesn't carry merchandise for Jewish holidays makes the owner
anti-semitic?Since my business does not sell any merchandise for
Pioneer Day, Christmas, or Easter, I guess that makes me anti-Mormon. Even
though I'm Mormon. Oh I'm feeling so conflicted this morning.
This makes no sense to me! Don't they know that Jesus and his parents were
Jews? For a store who maintains that they are run on Christian values, they are
denying Jesus's heritage. Strange! Makes no sense.
DN 2; It should be real easy to stock a store for Jehovah's Witness'
holidays. If memory serves me right, they don't celebrate any holidays.
My sense of the matter is that even IF they carried Hanukka items, the blogger
wouldn't have bought them at Hobby Lobby. He just wanted to make some
Oh, give me a break. Does the local Hobby Lobby sell CTR rings and temple
photos? I suppose not, despite the overwhelming number of local Mormons. Am I to
be offended, then, or to feel persecuted? I suppose not.
“The reason is that Mr. Green's ‘Christian values’
preclude him from selling anything related to a Jewish holiday,” Berwitz
wrote. “And not just just Chanukah, but Passover too, as I learned by
calling corporate headquarters and speaking to the company's customer
relations department.”I doubt that this is the reason.
Chanukah is merely the story of a miracle, and Passover is central to Christian
belief.I think it is unfortunate that they don't offer a more
diverse stock, but if the items only sold in the areas of high Jewish
concentration, they would be losing money across the country, and there would be
a lot of menorahs finding their way to the back shelves at Ross.I
think it is purely a business decision, not some evil bigoted plot.
The War on Hanukkah!
Your right. Walmart is the exception and that is they key to their ernormous
success. When they opened Utah stores they reduced the adult underwear section,
doubled the ice cream inventory, doubled the kids section and reduced beer and
wine.Conversely, when Sports Authority opened Utah they were loaded
with lures for the catching of large mouth bass!!!Technogy is great.
Walmart has crippled Kmart with there's and never even thought about being
This is similar to the recent situations with the Bakery and the Photography
Studio that did not wish to make special products for SSM's. The argument
will be that if Hobby Lobby carries items to assist people in their celebration
of Christmas, then they must carry items for all other celebrations or they are
discriminating. Those who are pushing to remove the rights of the business
owner to choose what products or services they supply will insist that you must
accommodate everyone if you are going to open a business.
@indycrimson --"Having been a buyer at a mass retailer, you
don't have time to buy the core commodities for 2000 stores and then go
back and customize each individual store with their local school colors and
emblems, religious books and food flavors."Ummmm, even Walmart
takes the time to stock T-shirts from local high school and college teams. Hobby
Lobby isn't nearly that large. ;-)Nonetheless, I do agree that
Hobby Lobby has the right to stock what they want. The customers also have the
right to complain about it -- especially if the customer response they receive
is stupidly insensitive, as this one was.
...and Mr. Green never gave me a $9 million office campus for $1.But he
did just that for Harvest Bible Chapel.The moral of the story is that when
you own a company and make a lot of money you should be able to do with it what
you wish. The only way to deal with these Internet busybodies is to sue them.
This is a joke. Having been a buyer at a mass retailer, you don't have
time to buy the core commodities for 2000 stores and then go back and customize
each individual store with their local school colors and emblems, religious
books and food flavors. Mass equals, mass...take care of the 80%
sameness...specialty retail is bought and serviced locally. Covering the niche
market.This cat, the reporter and the like need to educate vs
I agree with @Joeblow and @DN Subscriber 2.However, it seems a
little suspect to me that the corporation tried to reach out to the complaining
blogger for more information (I'm assuming to get to the bottom of the
incident) but there was no response. And the store management was unaware that
there was an "incident." On the Internet, it is so easy to make stuff
up, falsely accuse anyone and any company of anything, and do harm. I'm
wondering if this is a legit complaint and if it really happened. Hobby Lobby
has been around for years and probably in this specific location for
awhile--this is the first time a Jew is finding out that they do not sell
This is a total non issue. However, it's too bad the store clerk
wasn't a little more tactful.
Gee, they probably don't have pet supplies, car parts, or fashionable shoes
either.Stores stock what they think people will want to buy, and in
a niche that they think fits their image.Instead of whining about
the lack of a product, the complainers should recognize this as a wonderful
entrepreneurial opportunity to open their own business to cater to a group of
customers who have a hard time finding items they want.Of course,
then the new stores will get complaints that Wiccans, Muslims and Jehova's
Witnesses cannot find their holiday items in that store. Well, more
opportunities await others!The real complain about Hobby Lobby is
that they are run by Christians who are not ashamed of their faith, and refuse
to be intimidated by the politically correct crowd. You can buy things there
or not, it's a free country!
This is how it should be.Business owners decide what they want to
sell. People have a right to blog, post, tweet, protest or boycott in
response.That is the system.