Published: Thursday, Oct. 3 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
I have no problem with repealing the medical devices tax, but for one thing. The
Republicans will never agree to replace the lost revenue with anything else. So
a vote to repeal the tax, is a vote for higher deficits.
But the Democrats already have compromised. They've agreed to lock the
sequester cuts in place. They're not the ones who are throwing a temper
tantrum trying to get legally enacted legislation changed. You don't
negotiate with terrorists, and that's Ted Cruz and the Tea Party faction of
the House have become. If President Obama and the Democrats yield to them, we
may as well throw the Constitution out the window.Are the hardcore
right-wingers really thinking through the implications of this? Of course they
aren't, and from the looks of things, neither is the DN.
Dream on if you think the Dear Leader will compromise unless it gives him a
distinct advantage and makes his critics look bad.
Sir, you are not only wrong about compromise in this case, you are horribly
wrong. The US CANNOT run on irresponsible brinkmanship forced by the House.
Perhaps you dislike the ACA. Maybe you detest it. That's not the issue
here. The issue is whether or now the US will allow a small group in the House
to literally hold up the nation every three months while demanding whatever they
want but cannot pass through the normal legislative process. Will you be for
"compromise" when breakaway Democrats decide they'll not raise the
debt ceiling unless corporate taxes double? This situation could easily
reverse in that manner, Democrats are hardly under less pressure from the left
than Boehner is from the far right. Obama, though late to realize the actual
nature of this recurring manufactured "crisis", has finally woken up and
come to work. And he's doing the right job If that blocks something
you'd like to see happen, well, tough. This goes beyond issues to whether
or not the House will follow the legislative process in the Constitution or will
just do whatever they please.
"The demands by some in the GOP for the complete repeal of the Affordable
Care Act, or Obamacare, were unrealistic from the outset, and they are the
primary reason the nation finds itself in this current legislative
standoff"Exactly. In a nutshell. And why the GOP will be
blamed.This has nothing to do with whether the ACA is good or
bad.It IS about using the wrong tool to achieve a goal. It does not become "noble" just because the appropriate congressional
tools have been unsuccessful or that they feel strongly about it.
I would agree IF you mean literally "ALL" need to learn to compromise.
But not if you don't include Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and others.
President Obama would also have to learn to compromise as well, and quit saying,
"there will be NO CHANGES to ObamaCare".Seems like Democrats
could at least look for some kind of bone to throw to the Republicans to give
them an honorable way out, or even agree to READ what they send to the Senate.
Or even make a counter-proposal besides "absolutely NOTHING will change"
and "We won't even READ whatever you send us". That's not
Democrats have already comprised by accepting sequester level funding for the
clean CR. Where is the acknowledgement or even any awareness for this important
compromise, in this story? Congressional republicans are as dishonest as this
opinion article.Perfect example of media bias - right wing media
bias. Shame on you!
If one watches the non liberal media, you will find that the Republicans have
offered changes, and sent them to the Senate in the last few days. These are
not reported on mainstream media. What is clearly happening now is Reid and
Obama see this shutdown as to their advantage and actually want it to go on.
So, that is why there is and will be no compromise. If Obama and the Democrats
were getting the majority blame, compromise would be all over the place.
Therefore, even getting rid of a tax that both sides don't like will not
happen per Obama and Reid. However, the mainstream media will never report
that, will they.
President Obama is right not to give an inch until the gov't is funded.
Then it's time to talk. By giving in now, he gets nothing in return--and
that is NOT a compromise, that's a "lose" for him.
Compromise is about not getting everything either group wants. The Republicans
are seeking to delay the ACA, Democrats are seeking to fund the government and
put people and the economy back to work.Now, Democrats can't
compromise on their side as a functioning government is needed for the stability
of the Country. Republicans keep lowering their demands regarding the ACA but
won't stop offering things that aren't compromised.If you
want to see true compromise from the Democrats, Republicans need to offer up
something that Democrats want for delaying anything with regards to the ACA.Now, imagine if the Republicans offered to pass the Senates version of
Immigration Reform in exchange for a delay of the ACA.How about if
Republicans offered to allow a Public Option for Healthcare for removing the
Individual Mandate that they claim is terrible.You cannot offer to
restore funding to the government only if your demands are met. That is not
compromise, that is extremism and it does lead to terrorism when the group
making the demands don't see any action on them.So, for
compromise, Republicans need to offer something to the Democrats other than
temporarily funding the government.
@ 2 bitsYou are missing the most important point: if any congress (gop or
dem) is allowed to change a standing law using a government shutdown tantrum,
the US will have no constitution and no government. That's anarchy, by
definition.If the gop house gets their way, there will be nothing to
stop them from altering any standing law they don't like. Want slavery
back? Close the govt. Want to repeal womens' right to vote? Close down the
govt. That's just one important reason why democrats will stand
against this unconstitutional tactic forever, if necessary.I am
tired of the misinformation and fuzzy thinking coming from gop supporters.
Editorial board:I think you are right that a compromise might have
served to avert the shutdown. That is not exactly a brilliant statement. The
problem is that there was no desire to compromise in the administration and too
much hubris to even consider it. I'm no Republican but it seems to me they
did try to find some common ground, but were rebuffed. Now what? I
think that the fact that the Republicans are now standing up for the will of the
people, which you do not seem to consider, is heartening and exhilarating. I am
heartily sick of the disdain that the high and mighty have for the people of the
"If one watches the non liberal media, you will find that the Republicans
have offered changes, and sent them to the Senate in the last few days. These
are not reported on mainstream media."First, yes it's being
reported in the mainstream media, so leave the media bias martrydom out of
it.Second, the House is putting out piecemeal funding bills that
cherrypick politically palatable areas to fund. They're doing this onowing
that the Senate will ignore anything less than a full funding CR so that the GOP
can run back to its base and complain about how the Dems won't
compromise.Of course the Dems won't compromise on that. The
reactionaries on the far right have taken the entire government hostage in an
effort to circumvent the legislative process. Authorizing a handful of funding
bills is the equivalent of releasing a few hostages. The Snate rightly insists
that everyone be released.
This will end once enough moderate Republicans split off from the Tea Party
types because they see that this does not benefit them long-term. Pres. Obama
has no incentive to move as he looks good by contrast.Former Senator
Bennett called this one a few days ago in the Deseret News. His analysis is
Repealing the medical device tax would add 30 billion to the deficit. Ah
nevermind... Republicans don't care about the deficit anyway.
There is nothing to compromise. The budget is a Republican budget that the
President has said he would sign. The only reason for this disaster is because
Republicans are in a snit about the ACA, nothing else.ACA is the law
of the land. It was passed by the House, passed by the Senate, signed by the
President of the United States, and vetted by the Supreme Court. Like it or not,
it is the law. If you don't like it, introduce a bill to repeal it, but
defunding it is wrong. More wrong is to hold the entire country, our economy,
jobs, health, safety, security, and education hostage to the Republicans fit of
pique.Shame on Republicans.
The tea party abhors compromise. When Chafetz wants the present to compromise he
means capitulate now or in one year.
annes,So... what's wrong with Congress being allowed to "change a
standing law using a government shutdown" or any other power given them in
the Constitution? Do you want the Defense of Marriage Act back? (A standing
law that was recently removed).2. RE: "the US will have no
constitution and no government"! I think you are being over-dramatic.3. RE: "That's just one important reason why democrats will
stand against this unconstitutional tactic forever, if necessary".You are aware that 16 out of the 18 times the Government has shutdown
Democrats controlled the Senate and refused to compromise? Most of the times
they controlled the House as well. Google "Government shutdown
history" and see the table of each instance in Wikipedia". So... with
that in mind. Explain how "democrats will stand against this
unconstitutional tactic forever"... when they are the ones who do it.4. You're "tired of the misinformation and fuzzy thinking
coming from gop supporters"... but misinformed Democrat supporters are OK?
In order to compromise you have to leave tea party fantasy.
@2 bits - What's wrong with Congress using a shut down to change a law?
It's wrong because in a democracy process matters. The ACA was publicy
debated for 14 months. It was subject to endless public discussion and debate
and who knows how many changes. Many parts of it were added because
Republicans said they supported them. In its most essential design, it is a
plan created by a conservative think tank in the 1990s, and then successfully
implemented in MA. There are defined ways in which laws can be
changed or repealed and Republicans tried those ways and failed. Turning to
blackmail to achieve desired ends is an assault on democratic processes.Honest negotiation means seeking an outcome acceptable to both sides.
House Republicans know they aren't offering any acceptable outcomes. They
aren't willing to consider anything other than their desired outcome.
Those outcomes may be noble, but the ends do not justify the means.The debate is not about the ACA. It's about the ways in which a
democracy functions and the ways in which our democracy makes decisons.
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