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Published: Wednesday, Oct. 2 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Salt Lake City, UT

Shut the tea party down.

The Skeptical Chymist

A well-written plea for reason and a reprimand to the Tea Party. In Utah, it is likely to mainly fall on deaf ears. After all, we threw out a thoughtful conservative (Senator Bob Bennett) for an idealogue for will throw the baby out with the bath water.

Eli Tesecular PhD
Salt Lake City, UT

Professor Barker,
You are far too hopeful that we progressives can reach out to the conservative Neanderthals in this state. They are simply too busy nattering on about this or that constitutional provision or some vague concept of "liberty" to understand the wisdom in your thoughtful column. They are stuck in the past, worrying about antiquated nonsense like "family values", "hard work" and "national debt" to understand the Utopia, thanks to the great leadership of our President, that we are on the verge achieving for the people of this country.

Mike in Cedar City
Cedar City, Utah

It's pretty hard to appeal to the patriotism and common sense of a group of extreme conservatives who think that a market based approach to health care is some kind of socialist plot that violates the U.S. Constitution. Especially when they think that they have the Lord on their side.


Utah already attempted to shape the Republican Party. We sent Mike Lee to Washington. The Republican Party is in the shape it is largely because of Utah.

Los Angeles, CA

Well said. I am impressed this appeared in the D-News.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

"Could" with a Jon Huntsman.
"Won't" because of Mike Lee.

Salt Lake City, UT

Mike in CC: "...who think that a market based approach to health care is some kind of socialist plot..."

Add to that a market based approach to reducing air pollution (Cap and Trade) also derided as socialistic.

And yet many Tea Partiers in Utah apparently have no problem with a socialist system of alcohol retail.

The Hammer
lehi, utah

Although it is somewhat thoughtful he misses the point about what is causing cost push inflation. Its liberal advocates in the federal reserve whose goal is to inflate the value of the dollar at a rate of 2% per year. This is what is killing the value of the working man's money and allowing rich bankers to benefit in a down turn or upturn in the market. The social safety net is not sustainable because it doesn't increase the share of the wealth across the board as the cost for everything goes up with inflation and the available money with in the entitlement trust funds gets used up with more and more retirees and disabled people on the rolls.

In reality, Liberals don't like critique and if conservatives offer it to their "big world view" they ignore it and do what they want anyway. Just how BO didn't allow any ammendments from republicans to the ACA and now it is become a train wreck which will die on the vine for lack of support.

Salt Lake City, UT

The Hammer: "In reality, Liberals don't like critique and if conservatives offer it to their 'big world view' they ignore it..."

While there are dogmatists on the left, uncritical thinking and poor receptivity to critique are human traits not tied to any particular ideology. There are plenty of conservatives as well who do not like critique and ignore it when given. That seems especially applicable to the Tea Party, which has more litmus tests for "true" conservatism than a chemistry lab. Rigid, unbending, uncompromising adherence to a set of fixed principles seems to be the #1 cardinal virtue amongst the Tea Party set. That's part of the reason the country is in the shape it's in and what the columnist was trying to counter. Rigidity spans the political spectrum; so does flexibility. No faction has a monopoly on either.

The Hammer: "...and now it is become a train wreck which will die on the vine for lack of support."

Hand me the envelope, please. And the Bulwer-Lytton Prize for mixed metaphor goes to...

The Hammer
lehi, utah

So the tea party is just as rigid as the democratic party? Yep I agree. They both don't like advice and they won't comprimise. I agree completely. And we didn't have the tea party until the partisan democratic party kicked down the door of bi-partisanship and kicked everyone out of the room.

We wouldn't have the tea party if it hadn't been for a law being rammed down the throats of everyone in the room just because the Dems had a majority. Democrats will get the blame for this mess. They want to play hard ball and they woke up a large group of people which represent about 35% of the country. You won't get your way now and you deserve the atmosphere Liberal created.

Salt Lake City, UT

how can any one of intelligence question the gap of rich vrs poor and blame the GOP? The greatest gap in history is under Obama and the libs have done nothing for the black community, ever except keep them stuck and poor! In the 60's, you and Al Gore's dad voted against civil rights for blacks!

Salt Lake City, UT

Well talk is cheap. Change is not going to come from talk.

Fairview, UT

Mary, as you have implored us "Tea Party" conservatives to point out your blind spots, allow me as a lifelong adherent to quality principles to introduce you to cause and effect.
- The ACA is diametrically opposite to market economics. Allowing purchase of health care coverage across state lines as conservatives proposed is an example of free markets. Increasing competition drives down cost AND quality.
- The root cause of poverty has absolutely nothing to do with the rich; the economy is not a zero sum organism. An individual can increase their piece of the pie by diligent investment in themselves, hard work, and sacrifice (delaying gratification, both fiscal and physical).
- The root cause of escalating education costs is providing "free" money (grants) which eliminates the market force of a cost ceiling.
- The root causes of increasing health care costs are loss of personal accountability and, once again, "free" money as perceived by the insured consumer and the uninsured who get "free" health care at the emergency rooms.
We as a society cannot lift up the covetous by tearing down the industrious.

Fairview, UT

Continuing with root causes:
- guns don't kill people; mentally disturbed people kill people. If you fix the mental issue (admittedly difficult) the mechanism is irrelevant, whether it be a gun, a bat, a machete, or a knitting needle.
- global warming is caused by the sun, which is a large, fluctuating, atomic furnace. Man's puny efforts at changing those serendipitous fluctuations is akin to a teardrop in a deluge. The fact our mere existence hinges on the containment of those fluctuations would cause a reasonable person to confess the existence of a Father who commands the Sun, the stars and the planets in their orbits.
All else is vanity.

Sandy, UT

I am just so tired of Hatch talking about Utah people like we are better than others. That "better than them" attitude for years has given us a black eye in the view of the rest of the world. In stead of talking about Utah Republicans the better example of a true Utah Republican would be to vote and take action like you are representing Utah values and not negotiate our standards and lifestyle away. I would rather have Lee stand for something and struggle vs. Hatch negotiate on everything in failure. Where has Hatch been on the CR issue - relatively quiet. Enough, it's time for Hatch to use the clout he said he had to protect our coming generations and not worry about his legacy. Senator Hatch, The Founders fought for years using thousand of years of history to develop our form government. Don't let this two term President ruin it. You have five more years in Washington and it's time for you to leave all you have on the field. Our country needs it, Utah needs it and the future generations of Utah Republicans need it.

Ogden, UT

from this mornings news.....Senior Admin. Official: 'We Are Winning...It Doesn't Really Matter to Us' When Shutdown Ends. Care to rethink who is the problem????

Saint George, UT

I'm sorry Mary, I too an in search of wisdom anywhere, but I didn't hear anything substantive from you. Reading between the lines, however, I saw the obvious; tax more, limit first and second amendment rights, focus on 'Social Justice' issues, etc., etc. Is their any liberal out there that will unashamedly stand up for our Constitutional rights first, then talk about how to solve problems without the aid of some government program? Anywhere? When will a liberal talk about the importance of educating our youth about family, God, and country without telling me that government must be the one to define it for me? She can talk about all the wisdom she wants, but a government dialed definition and approach to any of those is absurd--and the statistics are there to prove it. No where in world history past or present is there a successful model with government at the center. Is she assuming a middle ground from where we are today? No thanks! If she wants a middle ground, better tell me that God, the Constitution, and family is the place to start.

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT


Wow, Rush Limbaugh couldn't have said it better. Of course he said it all already, but with more words and more bluster. But it's nice to know you've been spending time in the echo chamber with him. I'm sure he gets lonely in there hearing people parrot back to him the words he has spoken.

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