@pac12ute4lifeOn every BYU article you've posted recently, often more
than once, that Utah is a national school & BYU is not. There's much
more to being a national university than being noticed in football for two years
back a decade ago, before your coach runs off to bigger things at the first
opportunity. And even if we limit the conversation to athletics,
Utah can't seem to walk and chew gum at the same time. When has their
men's BB and FB teams been any good at the same time? How many other
perennial powerhouse teams does Utah field? Oh yeah--women's gymnastics.
Ski team? Give me a break. How many schools/conferences even have ski teams?
Really tough to dominate in a sport no one else takes seriously, huh.And if you are talking what is supposed to be the primary mission of a
university, with the possible exception of the medical program, Utah
doesn't even make a ripple. Meanwhile the Wall Street Journal lists BYU
ranked #11 nationally by college recuiters, ahead of programs such as Cornell,
Cal Berkeley, Ohio State, UCLA, Notre Dame, MIT, USC.So give it a
WOW!!! Wouldn't surprise me if they went through October either, they
don't throw the ball very well. Don't think this is the way the Oregon
Offense works! They score TD's on the ground and through the air and they
do it quickly, not many 3 and out's!! Did anyone watch the Oregon
California game the other night,you need great talent, great speed & a quick
playing surface to run that offense. BYU is average in talent & speed and
they play on grass.
USNGary--"That's why Utah took a week off after the BYU
game? Must have been tuff for them and they knew it."ucla has
had the same, identical bye-week, per PAC-12 scheduling. Therefore, zero
advantage to either team.This is a routine occurrence w/in our
conference. See usc/ua this week/next week.w/byu, it's
entirely otherwise, w/bye-weeks placed preceding both The U/WISC, MTSU before
usu, UH before bsu, and Idaho State before ND.There's zero
comparison between the two schedules, which accounts for the enormous disparity
in Phil Steele's rankings, w/byu #49 and The U #12.
Didn't Bronco once say " Offense, I just can't wrap my head around
it "? Hmm---- Really ? How can a defensive dude like Bronco
prepare a defense without knowing offenses ?
It's all because of lack of proper execution.
That's why Utah took a week off after the BYU game? Must have been tuff
for them and they knew it.
"There is ample evidence to believe that BYU would have done much better
than Utah with the same schedule last year."Let's point out
what byu has in fact done against The PAC-12, covering from its inception in
'11--byu is a resounding 2-4 to date, w/both wins coming
against teams finishing at the bottom of the conference standings, while getting
absolutely brutally curb-stomped at home by the sole 2 teams finishing w/a
winning record, to the tune of 96-34. We don't yet know what The U's
final record in '13 will be, but they lost to our 5-7 team last year and
have lost to us during each of The PAC-12's 3 years in existence.Not to mention that not only was our SOS significantly stronger last year, but
other than a lucky 3-PT win over usu at home last year, byu hasn't beat a
good team in years.What byu fans don't openly acknowledge, is
the vast difference in playing against a week in, week out grind of a schedule,
w/out built-in breathers/weeks off in between the tougher games.
Utah a national brand? LOL! Myth busting scenario for ya.... Schedule a neutral
field game two consecutive weeks... The same opponent meeting first Utah and
then BYU.... For laugh's sake, let's pit Oklahoma against Utah and
then BYU at Cowboys Stadium and see who outdraws at the stadium and who gets
viewed in more homes with every condition the same... Meaning opponent, field,
television.... That will give ya the proof in the pudding 'national
brand'. Oh how the BCS conference alignment has blinded the masses!
What's shocking is that silly comment garnered 5 likes... How is that even
possible? Oh yes, ignorance runs blissfully in packs...
Why is there so much focus on last year or even last week? The reality facing us
in less than 48 hours is an Aggie runaway victory. USU wins and big!
Ernest T. BassWhat does it say about BYU fans that the first few
times I heard you post I actually thought you were a BYU fan?
Hey Pac12 ute for life..maybe no need for a MWC team on the schedule (where does
that leave the almighty Utes playing Weber State?) but I do see at least four
Pac 12 loses coming up in the next few months....the winning part of your season
is probably over. A few more years of the Pac 12 and you will begin to feel
like an Aggie fan a few years ago.
Ha Ha we beat byu because we are in a bcs conference and that means we are
better than byu.
The problem with BYU's offense, from biggest liability to least:1. The offensive scheme. Go fast and Go hard is fine but the rest of it is
just too predictable and too easy to defend.2. Blocking. The QB is NOT
getting protection. Back-up QB's would struggle just as much in passing if
they don't get protection. At least Taysom has legs to get him out of
trouble that the back-ups don't have.3. Receiving. Poor lazy routes
and poor catching. Bring back Ben Cahoon!4. Passing. Taysom needs to work
on his touch. There are times to sling it and times to have the softer touch. It
would also help to allow Taysom some time to read the defense.2-4
will improve, but the coaches won't change their scheme or play-calling so
this team will never reach their passing potential, no matter who they put
behind center. At least the current QB has a pretty potent weapon to fall back
on in his legs. Until we see some significant improvement in any of 1-3, Hill is
still the right guy for the job.
RhappahannakI love how you play connect the dots when comparing Utah
and BYU. Why not compare head to head games? That's how every other fan
base compares there team to there rivals. Utah is better this year and has been
the last 4 years, accept it.
What a pointless, stupid and useless article.
No touchdown passes in the month of September. This is BYU football??
When I look at the BYU offense I see a team without an offensive identity. They
have some great talent and it's sad to see those great athletes flounder.
Everyone keeps bagging on Anae but here is my question. Who is the elite level
offensive coach that BYU can bring in to right the ship? The list of potential
replacements is thin. I don't see an established LDS offensive coordinator
out their with the experience to right the ship. Maybe their is a young guy out
there, but they need to find him.
@Pipes:Spot on, mate! lolCheers, to the emotionless,
wooden Keebler elf himself!This is football. It's okay to get
excited for your kids. It's okay to show a little emotion. Imagine how
differently the team might play, if they knew their coach was as stoked as they
were during game time? Lighten up, Brother Mendenhall.
It's becoming harder all the time to be a fan of Bronco Mendenhall. He has
single handedly destroyed BYU's offensive tradition and replaced it with a
tradition of coach speak and fluff. Always promises of how they will execute
better. No matter how well executed, boring football is still boring!
Who was the better team last year: Alabama, or Texas A&M who beat them?
Oregon, or Stanford who beat them? Kansas State, or Iowa State who beat them?
Have to take into account all games. It seems Utah fans only want their season
judged on their best win of the year - over BYU, and not over the other 11 games
of the year where they almost lost to #116 Colorado, and except for BYU beat no
one in the top 80.Last time BYU played UCLA we beat them 59-0. Last
time BYU played Washington we beat their Holiday Bowl champ team. Last time we
played Oregon beat them 38-8. We're 2-1 over Oregon St. the last few
years. There is ample evidence to believe that BYU would have done much better
than Utah with the same schedule last year.There are much better
statistics and analysis methods for college football, such as rankings composite
which averages over 120 ranking systems. Sportswriters need to start looking at
these to see what is really happening.
Year in and out BYU's defense will be sound. If anything Mendenhall has
proven that. The offense....for the past few years we've had a running
athlete under center who cannot throw. Hill is not a quarterback by classic
definition but a great athlete. That obvious will not work at this level. It
forces the offense into a one dimensional game.Hill needs to be
benched. Throw first, run second, scramble last. I'm not a
'hater' just noting what needs to happen, at least my opinion.
"Every year we are so much better. Tons of talent on this team is way better
than Utah's. This is proven time and time again except in records."Yes you are the bigger person no matter how much you insult, the better
team no matter how many times you lose, just because people keep beating you
doesn't mean you aren't the greatest! It's all so obvious in your
mind you, just not in reality.
@rhappahannockNeed to be careful when you say "better team."
Look at the NFL, and how many teams split their season series, or a team that
lost in the regular season will win in the playoffs. You have to look at the
entire season.-------------So true, Air Force Lite is 7
plays from being 14-0 and competing with Alabama for the national title.
Riley and Taysom are great guys who are tough as nails but they haven't
shown much skill at throwing the football. BYU needs a true quarterback. I
think we should let Billy Green take the reigns for a quarter or two and see
what happens.Lets hope that Tanner Mangum will be a true quarterback
and pass the ball like Beck and Hall. Let the running backs do the running.
Lets throw the dang football at Quarterback University. That's a novel
So many "little" things can happen. A slip by a defensive player. A
tipped ball. An accidental completion. Yet, for four games none of these
happened. Zero touchdowns for a month. Is this the "perfection" that
the Y hoped to achieve in their quest? If so, mission accomplished!
To match a BYU post with a BYU post:"Since the beginning of
football at these two schools BYU has a National Championship, the U of U
doesn't. BYU much more relevant.""To quote Louis
L'Amour, "A ship does not sail on yesterday's winds;"BYU's National Championship was 29 years ago. Utah's BCS wins were
9 and 5 years ago. The only question being asked in college football today is,
"What have you done for me lately?" In other words, what have you done
@My perspectiveYes I have seen BYU's 2014 schedule. The cupcake
trend continues, as well as it will for BYU fans who claim being better than
Utah despite losing to them each year. I get it. BYU wins more games and they
are superior. That win last week tells me that BYU is back. And there are more
awesome games to come; Houston, Idaho, and Nevada. And next year it gets even
dbrbmw,Gotta go back over 40 years huh to claim relevance? 14 years
before I was born, and I'm older than any college football player, 9 years
older than a 17 year old recruit.In the past 6 years Utah holds 4
more wins over the Y than the Y has over Utah. Utah has a top 5 finish and a
National Coach of the Year. Utah was invited into a prestigious athletic and
academic Conference, BYU tangos alone. Utah is struggling to stay relevant, BYU
isn't even close.BYUs claim to be more relevant than Utah is as
mythical as a Taysom Hill TD pass in September.
goforit"Look at the defense 7 of the top 8 linebackers are seniors,
Sorenson is gone, nose tackle gone and I don't see much waiting to replace
them...It's looking scary in the future." Hold on there,
goforit...have you seen byu's 2014 schedule? Plenty of reason for
optimism. byu's lack of talent will work out fine with their lack of
competition next year.
Mostly can't argue against Utah's being a better team, Clark. As a fan
of both teams, but BYU first, I won't dispute that until BYU disproves it
on the field. BYU's linebackers are better, but LB's alone do not a
team make. However, the fact that Utah can play out of their minds against BYU
and no one else, suggests only narrowly selective, momentary prowess, which does
little to establish Utah as a great team. The Utes have yet to prove they are
anything but a mid-major school lost in a BCS conference. To quote Louis
L'Amour, "A ship does not sail on yesterday's winds;" the
greatness of those teams which dominated Pitt and 'Bama are past.
Since the 1970 season BYU has won 6 more times against the U of U. Since the
beginning of football at these two schools BYU has a National Championship, the
U of U doesn't. BYU much more relevant.
Atta boy! Paul James always liked records.
I want my BYU passing offense back!
This is a record that could stand for a long time! Tied(?) - certainly;
however, not beaten!
Haha, BYU, as a regional school, isn't on the same level as Utah, a
national brand. Utah has crushed BYU over the past decade, and it will only get
worse. And Utah State? Utah has no need for a Mountain West team.
That's as many TD passes in September as wins over Utah in the last 4 years
How will BYU be ranked higher with a losing record. All of Utah's teams are
average. Utah is the best, then USU, and then BYU. BYU I'm
sorry it isn't going to get better next year. Look at the defense 7 of the
top 8 linebackers are seniors, Sorenson is gone, nose tackle gone and I
don't see much waiting to replace them. BYU will have to score a lot of
points next year to win any games, which they have proven for four years that
they can't. You can't have a good offense without an o-line. It's
looking scary in the future. Keep your expectations real and then you won't
get so mad. It is what it is.
All you can really do is scratch your head and ask the question: What has BYU
Football become under Roscoe?
Uh... I count 9 rushing touchdowns for September not the 5 on the graph.
Years ago it was exciting to watch BYU play because they scored 40-50 points
every game with this fast paced run and gun style of offense. They won most
games even thought their defense gave up 35-45 points per game. Now
the defense is getting better but the offense is BORING to watch. I think they
have become very predicable for opposing defenses to control. Something needs to
change in order to get my attention anymore. The last few years I have had to
DVR every game and then decide later whether it would be worth watching. Usually
a few minutes of ESPN highlights savor my curiosity regarding the game and then
I end up deleting the recorded game. Bring back some exciting
football games to watch BYU !!!
If Taysom can't complete more than 40% of his passes, expect a Cougar L.
USU's run defense will slow him down just enough.
Who cares about records or talent or who is better. What everyone should be
talking about is BYU's offensive coordinator. Poor routes, poor play
calling, poor coaching.
Ernest T. BassLOL!!! It's the refs, Ernest, it's the
refs. They all hate byu...every last one of them.rise and shout.
@ rhappahannock"When you look at last year, Utah beat BYU head
to head, but finished the year ranked #67 (using the average of 120 power
ratings, not subjective opinion polls) and the next best team they beat was #81
Cal at home. BYU finished ranked #34, and beside Utah the worst team they lost
to was at #26 Boise St. by a single point. BYU was a much better team than Utah
last year"Rankings don't mean anything unless your playing
for a National Championship or a BCS bowl game. BYU has a higher ranking because
they played an extremely weak schedule. The Cougies lost to every decent
opponent on their schedule and beat all the cupcakes to salvage their season.
Utah played a much tougher schedule than the Cougies, which resulted in more
losses. The only way you can judge two teams on who is better is head to head.
Utah has now won 4 in a row, 9 of the last 12, and lead the series 57-34-4. That
trend will continue when the two teams resume play in 2016. Utah is much better
team than BYU and they prove it on the field every year.
I am interested to see if Anae is able to develop a game plan which maintains
last week's passing efficiency.Utah State is a 6 point favorite
at home this week. I have to take the Cougars by 3: 24-20 - something like that.
BYU loses the turnover battle 2-1 which leads to an easy 10 points. And the game
will be decided in the last 5 minutes.
T. Hill has thrown a lot of passes this year. He's passing the ball.
He's just not completing his passes. He's thrown the ball 133 times
this season. Only 54 of those passes were caught. He's thrown more
interceptions (4) than touch downs (1). Hill has some really good
receivers that are very frustrated right now because Hill would rather throw
into the stands or into the grass. Hoffman is probably really mad right now.
Hill thinks run first. Anae is just going along with it now, because he's
lost all faith in the passing game.
Not just last year, rhappahannock. Every year we are so much better. Tons of
talent on this team is way better than Utah's. This is proven time and time
again except in records.
Need to be careful when you say "better team." Look at the NFL, and how
many teams split their season series, or a team that lost in the regular season
will win in the playoffs. You have to look at the entire season.When you look at last year, Utah beat BYU head to head, but finished the year
ranked #67 (using the average of 120 power ratings, not subjective opinion
polls) and the next best team they beat was #81 Cal at home. BYU finished
ranked #34, and beside Utah the worst team they lost to was at #26 Boise St. by
a single point. BYU was a much better team than Utah last year. Similarly, Utah St. finished #16 last year. Despite losing to BYU they
didn't lose to the #67 team, and their on-field results show they were a
better team than BYU last year.The BYU offense is still on a
learning curve. The last 2 years BYU has finished the year higher ranked than
Utah, and I think they will do it again this year.
Good point Milly...Taybow should be a Heisman candidate soon! If
the refs would only call a perfect game. Which I believe they will and can!
So the more running yards we get the worse we do...I think that is what the
chart is saying. I hope Hill can learn to pass, but learning to pass midway in
the season might make some wonder how BYU happened to be stuck with no
quarterback three seasons in a row?
Let's remember that Harbaugh recruited Taysom to Stanford to replace Andrew
Luck. If Taysom were given the opportunities to pass that Andrew had, he too
would have the same success and he would be a high NFL draft pick.