Sen. Mike Lee not backing down from Obamacare fight despite shutdown impacts


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  • Draft dumbie Farmington, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 2:43 p.m.

    Even though Senator Lee has a short haircut and wears a suit, he appears to be nothing more than a "rebel without a cause." His constituents expect him to use good judgment and to be a statesman in representing the people of Utah, but in my opinion, as a Senator, he is acting more like a rebellious teenager who does not yet fully have a command of adult judgment.

    My understanding of his background is that of an attorney who has been a legislative staff researcher. He seems to be very good at researching minutia in order to find support for an extreme political position, but does not appear to be a "big picture" type of guy, who has the experience or judgment to do the right thing for his constituents or the nation.

    I don't mind that Senator Lee is principled--but wish he could do so without being stupid. Has he never heard of macroeconomics?

  • renatastar Pittsburgh, PA
    Oct. 4, 2013 9:20 p.m.

    Voters need to think about what Sen. Lee has done: 800,000 Americans without a job. Businesses all over the country are losing money. Workers, counties are losing money. Headstart are not available for children. Sen Lee should be ashamed of what he is doing. Americans deserve a Government that works for them, not children having temper tantrums. There is a Democratic process that needs to be followed, or we will be a banana republic.
    Fighting for the sake of fighting, knowing nothing will be accomplished is plain stupid.

  • South Texas LDS SAN ANTONIO, TX
    Oct. 4, 2013 2:49 p.m.

    OK, let's see---meeting in secret, obstructing the government elected by the people, seeking to overthrow laws--all of these are tea party mainstays. Where have I heard of that before? Oh, right--the book of Helaman talks about a group with similar tactics. I suggest Sen. Lee read his scriptures.

  • Gr8Dane Tremonton, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 6:55 p.m.

    People can lambast Senator Lee all they want for being an idealogue. But he is acting on his deeply held principles. He really believes it. We must respect that.

    What I don't respect is people like Harry Reid and Obama who are engaging in cynical power politics where truth is secondary to the real goal which is power and destroying political opposition and demonizing Republicans in concert with a biased media.

  • Spellman789 Syracuse, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 6:20 p.m.

    What does the ACA have to do with passing a budget and raising the debt ceiling? Nothing.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 3:23 p.m.

    When the government can shut down privet business's, it's too big.

  • ksampow Farr West, Utah
    Oct. 3, 2013 3:02 p.m.

    Obamacare has to go, but it won't be repealed until the GOP wins the White House and the Senate. Shutting down the government won't do it. It will just hurt a lot of people and make the Republicans look bad. It's like thoe old line "If you won't play my way I'll take my ball and go home," but even worse - adding the extreme step of locking the gym so no one else can play, either.

  • JD Jones Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    @New to Utah, you are funny. You complain that participating in a discussion is evidence that liberals have way too much time on their hands, and yet here you are participating in a discussion. Furthermore, you assume that liberals don't work in soup kitchens and generally never help the poor in a personal way. Really? Where you getting this stuff? Is it just your imagination? Furthermore, it makes no sense to blame Obama and Reid for the shutdown after Republicans caused it to happen? This kind of blame shifting is deeply dishonest.

  • On the other hand Riverdale, MD
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:38 p.m.

    @Judge, that's all well and good, but Congress as a whole does not want to gut the ACA.

  • The Judge Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 9:56 p.m.

    Funny how few of you realize that congress has always used the power of the purse to gut laws it feels are inappropriate. That's how it's supposed to work...there are checks and balances between all branches of government. As an example, congress has, since 1992, specifically prohibited ATF from using any of its funds to enact 18 USC 925c, just to name one example. The relevant court case is US v Bean, 537 US 71 (2002), if you're inclined to that sort of thing.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 9:00 p.m.

    To "OHBU" I don't think you read all of the 14th ammendment. It says that the US will pay all debts due to suppressing an insurrection or in aid of an insurrection. How does that apply to self imposed welfare programs? Right now there is no debt due to Obamacare. There is only proposed spending, which is not debt.

    It is like saying that you are thinking of buying a new couch using a credit card. Before you actually buy the couch do you have debt for the couch?

    Or is Obamacare somehow tied to the Civil War? I am not sure because your argument makes no sense when reading the constitution.

    Or are you saying that Obamacare is part of suppressing an insurrection?

  • wazzup Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 8:11 p.m.

    Harry Reid, Schumer or any of the other Senate Dems sign up for this? Did their staff? Did Kathleen Sebelius sign up for Obamacare. Until they do, why should anyone else?

  • Guam_Bomb BARRIGADA, GU
    Oct. 2, 2013 7:35 p.m.

    I would gladly support the Junior Senators stance if he provided an alternative law that reformed the health care system. I personally like the fact that my kids can stay on my policy until they turn 26. I sleep better at night knowing that they are covered. But there are millions of people who don't have that option.

    Junior Senator, your a blank slate. you not presented anything other than opposition. You a patsy to the big interests that oppose anything Obama.

  • O'really Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 2, 2013 6:22 p.m.

    Why won't Obama talk? Is there a logical reason on this earth for him to be so stubborn? These congressmen have evidence- hundreds of thousands of signatures of Americans- real live, on the ground human beings in this country that are being negatively affected by this law. Why can he not see that and negotiate a little? Put it off for a year to fine tune it. Pull out the taxes on medical devices and see how things go. Let anyone who wants to sign up and see in real time what the issues are but don't compel and tax folks up the river if they have no desire for health insurance.

    This president and his buddies are making no sense. Shutting down the government makes no sense either. This is the most ridiculous thing I have seen coming out of Washington. It's simply maddening!

  • E. Hindman Ogden, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 5:41 p.m.

    USAlover - you do know we can verify your national debts amounts don't you? When GW Bush left office the debt was just over $10.5T and it increased $5.1T while he was in office.

    You really cannot compare Bush to Obama regarding economics as all things are not equal - we were not in the "Great Recession" during the entire Bush presidency.

  • cubfanal nutley, NJ
    Oct. 2, 2013 5:30 p.m.

    Here is a simple solution. Fund the government it has nothing to do with Obamacare. The law passed, it was judged constitutional by the courts. It's the law. If it does not work, change it later. There is no connection between the two.

  • kitsutsuki South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 2, 2013 4:58 p.m.

    The problem with Obama is that he is absolutely clueless when it comes to leading. All I ever see him do is get on TV and blame, blame, blame in an effort to rescue his legacy. And his absolute refusal to negotiate is pathetic. Obama's lack of ability to bring people together has resulted in where we are now Republicans are tired of Obama's "my way or the highway" approach and are simply starting to push back.

    Unfortunately Obama's presidency is a mess and he will go down as one of the worst presidents ever.

  • DonO Draper, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 4:43 p.m.

    It seems that Lee is talking out of both sides of his mouth. He wants to stop the train wreck known as Obamacare but he's more than willing to stand by and watch the train wreck of a government shutdown that his intransigence has caused. To say he's "concerned" about the impact of the shutdown sounds pretty hollow. Too bad that the word "compromise", which has helped preserve our nation since its founding, has lost all meaning and relevance with today's ideologically-bound politicians.

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    Oct. 2, 2013 4:34 p.m.


    I did quote the Constitution, did you not even read my comment? Yes, Congress gets to dictate spending, but Congress already authorized the law and therefore are under an obligation to pay it. Sure, it wasn't the same Congressmen, but it was Congress. Thus, according to the 14th Amendment, they are obligated to pay for it or change the law. They can't change the law--they ran on that platform and the American people voted for Obama and to retain Democratic control of the Senate. Sorry, you lost the election.

    Again, I have accounted for up-front costs. You are ASSUMING there will be longterm costs, I'm using economics to project (as have many other economists) that in the long run, healthcare costs are projected to go DOWN relative to inflation. In other words, people will be paying a smaller portion of their income toward healthcare. Right now, we have the worst return on investment, this is designed to correct that. You're already paying for everybody's healthcare. Everyone knows preventative is way cheaper than waiting until they show up at the emergency room without means to pay.

  • ARA5353 Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 2, 2013 4:25 p.m.

    This shutdown is the fault of Obama and Reid and their followers. Mike Lee and the other Republicans are right in doing what they are doing. There is nothing "affordable" about the Affordable Care Act. It has already caused my premiums to double and another increase is due in January. I can still afford my insurance for now, but with more tax increases on the way, I doubt that I will be able to for much longer. I also believe that the longer the Democrats get away with refusing to pass a real budget, which they are required by the Constitution to do, the more costly it will be. Their refusal stems from a desire to have no restrictions on their ability to keep spending without restraint. Any financial counselor or LDS bishop will tell you that is a recipe for disaster. Now that the Republicans are belatedly trying to rein them in, they are fighting the bit with every ounce of lies and falsehoods that they can muster. Keep on fighting, TEA Party.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 3:36 p.m.

    TO TRUTH: Thank you for echoing my sentiments exactly!. Jim Matheson (pseudo-democrat) is trying to play both sides of the game. We need people who act with principle to represent us, not career politicians who dance around to the latest polls so they can get re-elected and have their great healthcare plan paid for while millions of Americans suffer and die with no hope for relief. Yes, Jim it is truly time for you to move on. Utahns are not dumb people. Let us urge sensible citizens like Jon Huntsman to run for the Senate, Congress or the Presidency. Men like Jon will do what is right for America. When a Democratic President asked him (a Republican) to serve as Ambassodor to China - he accepted the call to serve his country. That is the kind of man that should be representing the citizens of Utah. We can do much better than Mike Lee or Jim Matheson!

  • Mark from Montana Aurora, CO
    Oct. 2, 2013 3:33 p.m.

    Senator Lee is correct and he should be trying to stop the train wreck....instead of digging up the track to help it wreck.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 3:29 p.m.

    To JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt:

    You speak the truth Sir. I appreciate your accurate perspective on the failure of the GOP. For the life of me I do not understand why people think Obamacare is a bad thing? Don't you realize that the existing Healthcare emplire in the USA is fraught with greed and distain for the poor and needy? Before the Affordable Care Act if you had a pre-existing condition like drarfism for example - you could not even purchase health insurance! What kind of a system denies innocent people who were born with a health deficit at no fault of their and denies them from even having coverage by the greedy insurance companies? Even worse is what the Hospitals and Providers charge for their services making huge profits so their CEOS and such can live like kings. Don't get sick without insurance or they'll own your soul my fellow citizens. I'd rather have the Government than the Healthcare Dictators controlling my life for the love of money! Senator Lee, you do not represent my interests at all. You represent the interests of the big insurance companies and healthcare corporations.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 3:26 p.m.

    To "OHBU" I hate to break it to you, but congress is under no obligation to ensure that the US pays for its debts. The constitution is quite clear that Congress is to decide how much is spent, and on what.

    If you think otherwise, please give me the reference in the Constitution that says that Congress must pay for all debts the US has.

    It isn't just the upfront costs. It is the long term costs. For example, the original estimate for the ACA was around $800 billion over 10 years. That estimate was revised 3 years later and it jumped up to $2.7 Trillion over 10 years. The CBO's estimate for the long term put the ACA as being defict inducing.

    You are also ignoring the fact that the ACA was sold as a way of reducing the cost of healthcare. Explain how raising the cost of insurance or healthcare is a good thing, even in the long run. Health insurance prices will always keep up with inflation, so the price won't go down, unless something drastic is done. If drastic actions are taken, what damage will those cause?

  • KJR Alpine, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 3:15 p.m.

    QUOTE "But Rep. Jim Matheson, Utah's only Democrat in Congress, said it's time to stop the day-old shutdown by passing a budget bill that contains money for the health care law that also took effect Tuesday.

    Money? What money? That's the whole point. The concept of a "well funded national debt" was a great idea propounded by Alexander Hamilton, if I recall, to act as an economic flywheel, so that taxes don't have to be adjusted continuously to meet variable needs. I fear that the "flywheel" has come off the axle is is about to crush us. I find it amusing that we think it's great news that the rate of increase in the deficit is dropping. I'm overspending my income every month but the amount I'm overspending is going down a few percent. What discipline!

  • mrjj69 bountiful, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 2:53 p.m.

    I, for one, appreciate Lee's efforts to control the out of control white house. This is the biggest tax increase in history, and must be stopped.

  • bkcharles Snowflake, AZ
    Oct. 2, 2013 2:49 p.m.

    @New to Utah
    Just because people don't agree with you that doesn't mean they are "liberal" - I believe that the republican party has been hijacked by radicals - and yes I mean radicals like MIKE LEE - that want to do away with all things that are administered by the government. Blaming all problems in healthcare on governmental regulation and failing to recognize that "the free market" is not working in health care are just some of the delusions that the tea partiers are struggling with. Insurance companies, not government has done away with the "free market"

  • Grandma Barb St. George, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 2:40 p.m.

    After reading the comments, I am struck by one fact. That most of the people on this site does not know the difference between socialism and social programs. By patting this senator and any other of the ideologues that are in our Congress right now, on the back, you are applauding people who do not believe in our democratic legislative process. They do not believe in our constitution. This is not to say there have not been problems with our government and the way it has been run, but it isn't because of our Constitution. It is because of the money that has the power. The Koch brothers and Romney's. You yell and scream about socialism and forget the institutionalized corporate welfare - the money going to the Farm Bill, the Oil Subsidies. It is senseless. And now you are showing you care more about opening the federal parks and gratuitous nods to veteran memorials, instead of babies and older people being fed. Watch it folks, your priorities are going to stick to your foreheads.

  • OKWalker Duncan, OK
    Oct. 2, 2013 2:39 p.m.

    Based on the comments to this story, it sounds like Utah is full of communists. Best solution to this mess is for the masses to learn how to take care of their own health. The doctors didn't want free market health care, so we ended up with tax deductible employer funded health insurance. So both doctors and patients then demanded too much health services, tests, etc. That system didn't work well for those without insurance. So now we have socialized, read communistic inspired, health insurance with the government controlling all aspects, including all health data on everyone (totally worse than NSA collecting phone records). Thank you very much, but for me and my family we will opt out and support all politicians like Lee and Cruz who understand what is really going on. Matheson seems to want to correlate "growing up" with accepting the inevitability of communism. No thanks!!

  • Kellie Wood Orem, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 2:36 p.m.

    Senator Lee is a hero who is protecting our jobs!

    "Did you know that ObamaCare was the most partisan piece of legislation passed in the last 100 years?

    Did you know that up to 14 million people face ObamaCare penalties?

    Did you know that even President Obama's allies have said that ObamaCare could mean the "end of the 40-hour work week?"

    Did you know that the vast majority of new jobs are now part-time because of ObamaCare?

    Did you know that President Obama has shut down the government to keep funding his abortion-pill mandate?

    Did you know that President Obama has shut down the government rather than delay the individual mandate?

    We stand against ObamaCare. Stand with us.

    Sign our Petition to Delay, Defund, and Defeat Obamacare.

    Jay Sekulow
    ACLJ Chief Counsel

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    Oct. 2, 2013 2:22 p.m.

    RE: RedShirt

    Sorry, Congress has a basic, CONSTITUTIONAL obligation to pay its bills. 14th Amendment "The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned." This law was legally passed through both houses, signed by the President, and upheld by the Supreme Court. Not paying for it is absolutely unconstitutional. In fact, legally it's treason.

    As to the ACA's cost, I never conceded that it will make healthcare more expensive. Quite to the contrary. I merely pointed out that up-front costs do not qualify as evidence that something will not work. Most things worth doing (e.g. starting a business) involve up-front costs. Getting everyone insured is an up-front costs. Bringing down the cost of healthcare services, exorbitant insurance profits, and no longer having all of us covering the hospital bills of the uninsured will reap long-term gain. Again, basic economics.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 2:17 p.m.

    To Mr. Lee: you and your father and your brother love the government paycheck, having spent many years in the nation's capitol, and I mean many many years there. It is time that 300 million people get what we would have got had we not invaded Iraq. Isaiah 10 woe unto them who take away the right of the poor of my people (2 Nephi 20:1-2) It is a conservative idea to have people pay their own way on health care. Romney was pioneer on health care reform; years ago the president said any state can opt out, as long as they cover everyone, and states have had years to prepare for this. Wars are winding down, Bin Laden is dead, the economy is growing, and taxes were raised on the rich January 1st, things are good.

  • Deserthiker SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 1:47 p.m.

    Sen. Lee is disingenuous in his comments. He speaks highhandedly of not ignoring a train wreck when the truth is he's been one of the chief engineers driving the train into the wreck. He's correct that our nation and government have problems, sadly his efforts have made solving those problems only less likely and more difficult.

  • dobberdobber Ivins, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 1:42 p.m.

    Train wreck? It looks to me like Senator Lee is the engineer driving the train toward a brick wall.

  • Daniel84020 Draper, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 1:42 p.m.

    Senator Lee,

    There are men who curse the darkness and men who light a candle. Obviously healthcare in the United States can be improved. Obviously the Affordable Care Act is far from a perfect improvement. But to take a law passed by a democratically elected congress, signed into law by our elected executive, and upheld by the highest court in the land, and then attempt to repeatedly strip the American people of that law--which has survived an extremely high rigor of scrutiny--strikes me as profoundly more undemocratic than anything within the contents of the law you so apparently despise.

    If you and like minded citizens think the Affordable Care Act is bad law and you can make a compelling case, then you should be able to win enough representation within congress to repeal it or pass superior legislation. But to try and circumvent the adoption of the law by procedural shenanigans or through inflicting enough damage on the American people in the hopes that your opponents will relent is uncalled for.

    I hope in the future you will do more to show respect for the democratic process--even if you happen to disagree with it's results.

  • bkcharles Snowflake, AZ
    Oct. 2, 2013 1:36 p.m.

    If the republican party continues to give sway to the tea party extremists, they will continue to drive away the moderates

  • chemimagineer Spanish Fork, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 1:32 p.m.

    Senator Mike Lee - those of us who understand how damaging and permanently destructive ObamaCare is thank you for your stance. This is evil....it is a government takeover of an entire industry as mapped out by Communist plans. Hitler did it in Germany. Russia has it. China has it. And my Russian doctor friends laugh because the arguments supporting it are exactly the same as the ones that brought Russia its awful system. It buys votes by taking from the MIddle Class and giving to the non-working and illegal workers -- as specifically spelled out in the plan. What about the creation of the 6000 man army? What about mandated implants as a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy? What about the movement from full time employment to part time right before our eyes...and the damage it will do to families already stressed?

    Mike, keep it up. This is our last chance to save our country.

  • Happy Liberal Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 1:31 p.m.

    Mike Lee is a huge embarrassment to our state, our nation and the Republican Party. I am continually amazed that people were dumb enough to select this clown over Bob Bennett. Of course, Lee is still collecting his own paycheck during this ridiculous shut-down. What else would we expect from somebody who couldn't afford his over-sized home in Utah County (on a senator's salary, no less!) and had to do a short sale. C'mon, Mike, put on your big boy pants and grow up! Obamacare is the law. Quit whining and get over it.

  • Dragline Oream, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 1:13 p.m.

    Keep up the good fight Mike Lee. Just remember that all the reasons to stop Obamacare can be applied to stopping Medicare...or to avoid paying for state programs for autism support or contributions to religious organizations. It's all socialism.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 1:10 p.m.

    To "OHBU" not funding it is a "constitutional" way of delaying it or getting rid of it.

    Again, if the ACA was meant to make health insurance or health care cheaper, why do you support it knowing that it has increased the cost of insurance and has made the cost of getting care more expensive because of increased costs at Dr. offices and taxes on medical devices?

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    One thing that is certain is that about 50 liberal posters will be on these boards anytime there is a conservative that they can hammer like Mike Lee. This is a practice I have seen in various places that I have lived and it shows that liberals have way too much time on their hands. Why aren't they helping at soup kitchens, reading to students in school or some other worthwhile activity? Liberals are so caught up in their own political persuasion that it trumps everything else. We have a government shutdown and we need legislators with some persuasion and leadership to solve it, where is the President? Where is Harry Reid?

  • UGradBYUfan Snowflake, AZ
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:55 p.m.

    I am also another former republican, and this kind of demagoguery is what has driven me from the party. Lee really thinks he is right and he is going to "save" democracy. The fact is, as truthseeker said, " Most Americans know the Tea Party Republicans are expecting too much and don't like their bully tactics". I couldn't agree with this more!

    Congress is not addressing the real problems (financial deregulation, banking and mortgage bailouts that never benefited those that they were intended to benefit, etc.) and neither party is going to address it because they are afraid they will lose funding for their campaigns.

  • lehiaggie Lehi, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:46 p.m.

    While trying to prevent a train wreck, which he can't stop, he allows a train wreck which he could stop.

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    RedShirt is absolutely correct. It amazes me that so may people do not know what is in Obamacare. Their lack of information is shocking. If they know all that is in it, which is highly unlikely, and still support it....that would be unbelievable. Yes, the republicans have offered several plans but the democrats will not even discuss them. Another fallacy is the republicans caused the shutdown...the dems refuse to discuss or negotiate. The President has more than once said he will not discuss or negotiate...and yet the media convinces people the republicans are at fault. The Senate is required to annually submit a budget. Harry Reid has not allowed one to be done in 4-5 years! That is why there is a need for continuing resolutions to raise the debt ceiling and to authorize spending. But of course, the democrat supporters don't accept that part of the Constitution. And, btw, if Bennett had not been replaced, he would have been as weak in the knees as is Hatch and the rest of the GOP establishment.

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:39 p.m.

    "My favorite is the "It's the law, and the Supreme Court agrees, so we can't change it now". If that was true, we should never have ended the Jim Crow laws, slavery, women shouldn't vote, and so forth. Just because the SCOUTS doesn't strike down a law does nto mean it can be removed some other way."

    Then why don't Republicans use a constitutional means to remove it. The answer: they lost the election. Also, many of those other laws you cite were struck down by the Supreme Court as unconstitutional. If you'll remember, this one was not.
    "Some say that the ACA will be good. The problem is that it is bad because it has already trippled in cost, and has raised insurance prices by 25% or more."
    While I don't agree with your numbers, I will point out that having an up-front cost in no way proves that something will not be profitable in the long run. Basic economics. The very fact that Republicans are trying to label it a "legacy bill" shows they believe it will work. Otherwise, wouldn't it ruin his legacy?

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:37 p.m.

    Impeach Senator Lee!

  • davidmpark Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:35 p.m.

    Keep fighting! Repeal Obamacare!

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:23 p.m.

    The conservatives must be doing something right in the House right now. The liberals are all up in arms right now.

    The liberals have the same basic lies that they are trying to perpetuate.

    My favorite is the "It's the law, and the Supreme Court agrees, so we can't change it now". If that was true, we should never have ended the Jim Crow laws, slavery, women shouldn't vote, and so forth. Just because the SCOUTS doesn't strike down a law does nto mean it can be removed some other way.

    Another great one is the "Where is the Republican plan?" Well, the republicans have offered several plans, but the best plan is to not have a plan, and to deregulate the health insurance industry.

    Some say that the ACA will be good. The problem is that it is bad because it has already trippled in cost, and has raised insurance prices by 25% or more. Making insurance more expensive is not a way to make it more affordable. Then there are all of the unintended problems that have come up because of the ACA.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:13 p.m.


    You wouldn't have voted for Senator Lee regardless as you care only about having the government get you everything they can get you and senator Lee opposes that sort of thing. He doesn't care about your "vote" because you would never vote for someone that believes in freedom and self sufficiency. Your "threat" to withhold your vote is hollow and ridiculous.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:06 p.m.

    232 years for America to accumulate $4 Trillion dollar debt. 5 years for America to go to $17 Trillion dollar debt.

    Enough said...

  • sergio Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    The Tea Party gang are a few bad apples that are spoiling the honor and reputation of the GOP. The GOP needs to clean them up before it is too late.

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:00 p.m.

    Why can't the Pres,the Senate and the House meet together in a conference and settle their differences and simply do the best thing for the American people. It is complete craziness and arrogance that they are not meeting to resolve differences, get the government operating. My understanding is that we have three equal branches of government. They each should have a say and then they negotiate a solution. If Obama and Reid are refusing to meet to hammer out a solution then they should be blamed for the continued shutdown, everyone should grow up and act like responsible people.

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    Oct. 2, 2013 11:54 a.m.

    Welcome to a world where elected officials proudly proclaim the ways in which they attempt to subvert the constitution in order to pander to their base. Bottom line: passed both houses, signed by the President, upheld by the Supreme Court. The only way to Constitutionally change it is through new legislation. They cannot do that, because the voters rejected them at the last elections. So they are willing to wreck the economy in a high-stakes temper tantrum.

    Of course, it won't work because the ACA is fully funded despite the shutdown.

  • lket Bluffdale, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 11:53 a.m.

    and to think they got rid of Bennet a good man that worked for the good of all and with the other party. the tea party ideal is costing more money than they will ever cut from the budget that they never will agree on anyway and the people that are being hurt is the poor and the working class and soon the small companies that they say are so important will be hurt by people that no longer will be able to spend money and then the economy will go down hill. maybe they want a depression to get rid of the middle class so we can all be low paid factory

  • CP Tooele, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 11:46 a.m.

    If Europe who's in Finland can see the mess of obamacare, why can't most who live here in The United States see it? I have lived in a socialist country before and they have a healthcare set up like this and it doesn't work. The health care is of very poor quality, people don't get the help they need. It's a big wash. I'm glad that Sen. Lee is fighting this and hasn't backed down like most have.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 11:30 a.m.

    Republicans think we have the best health care system in the world and nothing is wrong with it. This may be true if you are fortunate to have employment with good benefits. What about students, self employed or people working on commissions. This whole mess is not the fault of government. It is the fault of insurance companies who refused to cover pre-existing conditions and cancel coverage on sick people. Health care should be affordable and available to all who need it. Health care is not something you earn a right to as many conservatives believe. See Alma chapter 1 in the Book of Mormon. I fail to see how shutting down the government is going to accomplish anything. I am a republican and I never supported Lee. I saw all this coming.

  • PapaDroid Lehi, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    I would consider myself a conservative but first I am a patriot who defends democracy. I don't understand why Lee is against democracy. The people elected a congress and a President who by majority passed the Health Care Act. Why doesn't Lee follow the people's decision and work within the system to fix it. Or maybe Lee (since he has all the health care he needs) doesn't believe Single Mothers or Widows or unemployed should have affordable health care.
    I don't like it when Sen Lee blackmails the government using people's paychecks and the services they need to get his minority agenda done.
    Become a patriot and use democracy to get your agenda done.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 11:20 a.m.

    @banderson "All the wealthy should have their wealth confiscated and given to the poor. I don't understand how I can live in a country where the rich exist at the expense of the poor. Anybody making more than $50K should have to give it to the government..."

    The country you want is CUBA. You should visit it sometime and bask in its economic success.

    I was born very poor. My parents lived paycheck to paycheck. But I went to school, learned some valuable skills, and now I am in the upper middle class. Who knows, I may even be in the top %5 or the top %1 that everyone keeps talking about (I'm not sure if that figure is based on wealth or income). Liberals now dispise me and want to take everything I have worked for.

    The point is: Liberals only like the poor as long as they stay poor.

  • 1978 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    If Obamacare is so wonderful why did the democrats in congress vote to be exempted from it along party lines.

    Once again the press has done their job in protecting the guilty and blaming the innocent and many people are falling for it - again!

  • Kellie Wood Orem, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 11:10 a.m.

    How convenient that the HealthCare.gov website went down after the government shut down!

    This way Americans can't flip out before the govt reopens to see online that they can't afford the premiums and outrageous deductibles! Sen. Lee will be their hero!

    One family stated that they are being forced to pay $8,000 a year for their family of 5 kids. They have a $5,000 deductible. Which means they will pay for all of their healthcare bills out of pocket because it is rare that a catastrophic health issue will occur that will cost over $5,000. So, in reality they will be paying up to $13,000 a year for simple sore throat treatments that shouldn't cost more than $150 per sore throat. Ridiculous! These people have the right to spend their $13,000 the way they want: better nutritious food, good clothing for their kids, rent, student loans, etc.

    Obamacare will NOT COVER MEMBERS OF YOUR FAMILY if you work for a 50+ employee corporation, according to Bill Clinton's speech on 9/4/2013.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Oct. 2, 2013 11:00 a.m.

    This man is going to wreck our economy, and possibly the economy of the world. He has no idea what damage he's about to cause if the debt limit vote is stalled and the US defaults.

  • bullet56 Olympia, WA
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:59 a.m.

    While this lifelong Democrat is enjoying the implosion of the GOP congress, I am very concerned for our shared future. Obama care must be very needed and wanted judging by the 10 million people who tried to enroll on the first day. The health care system is not working for the 40 million uninsured who see a doctor only after being neglected to the point of critical care. This costs all of us money through higher costs at hospitals and insurance rates. So, what is the Republican plan to improve health care to those 40 million neighbors?
    When the dust clears and Congress try's to get reelected next year, I will remember who put the Democrats back in the house as leaders of the people. Thank you tea party.

  • brightness Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:53 a.m.

    The GOP does not want us to have the opportunity to get the same healthcare they enjoy. It seems that they would want to see "ailing" americans without health insurance. We need healthy strong people to keep the USA the leader of the World. But, if the congress cannot make a decision on the government shutdown, perhaps, they should not be paid like the furloughed employees.

  • HotGlobe SAN RAFAEL, CA
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:50 a.m.

    "Sometimes you have to take a stand and it doesn't matter how many people you hurt or how unlikely you are to win." This attitude is going to split the Republican party. Those who disagree will become the new Republicans; those who agree will spin off into a new party. Nothing will prevent this because Republicans are doomed in 2016 in any case, so there is no point in preserving unity.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:43 a.m.

    This Republican obstructionism is cementing the fact the Hillary will be our president for the next two terms.
    The GOP is doing itself no favors here.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:38 a.m.

    Mike Lee and Ted Cruz needs to be willing to make the same sacrifice for their principles they are asking 800,000 others to make on their behalf. Causing these people to not be able to meet their mortgages, pay their utilities, or put food on the table or fuel in their tanks so that these two can take a principled stand... that is not patriotic.

    The founding fathers did not ask others to make greater sacrifices for this nation than they themselves would make. Each and everyone of them knew that they would be hanged, if caught, for treason by the crown. What these Tea Partiers are doing is asking others to sacrifice what they themselves will not. They are not turning down their own pay checks. They are not refusing the benefits of government health care.

    Until they are willing to make the same sacrifice that they are asking or compelling others to make on their behalf, they are the least of the patriots. Don't ask others to sacrifice what you yourself are unwilling to make, no matter how "right" the fight you are making.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    Mike Lee is the trainwreck here... and we will stop it by making him one-term and done.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    Stopping a train wreck by blowing up the train equates to what radicals like Lee have done to the US economy. Thank you Senator Lee for putting people out of work, destroying private investment in the stock market and likely getting the United States downgraded once again by the credit agencies. Hopefully you are successful in removing our rights as United States citizens for affordable health care.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    @On the other hand
    Riverdale, MD

    Too bad he doesn't seem to have a viable plan to provide affordable healthcare access to the millions of Americans without insurance.
    10:15 a.m. Oct. 2, 2013


    But, the problem is, and the most ironic thing about all this, is that the ACA [Obamacare] WAS the Republican plan!

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:21 a.m.

    @A Guy With A Brain... to quote you - I return the volley..."Your opinion is simply incorrect."

    Many parts of the government run as well as or better than the private sector. Apple, now the worlds most valuable brand, just released a new release iOS7 - which was filled with issues. Google, another poster child of success, has had numerous flops. Name a private company, and I can show you a hundred ways they are run imperfectly. Tried to get to customer service from your bank, cable or cell phone company recently.... you think they are responsive?

    People love to pick on government workers, then give corporate America a pass. Any organization that size has issues. But every single day, the FAA ensures thousands of flights and passengers cross the nation safely. Every single day, our military protects this nation as good or better than some private military could - with less graff and vice attached.

    Spend 22 years in the private sector - you'll find the same.

    As to Sen. Lee.. he should sacrifice as much as he is asking others sacrifice for his principles. He should turn down his pay check until this is settled.

  • On the other hand Riverdale, MD
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:15 a.m.

    Mike Lee's Senate career has been marked by obstructionism. At least the man is consistent. Too bad he doesn't seem to have a viable plan to provide affordable healthcare access to the millions of Americans without insurance.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 9:58 a.m.

    Shame on Senator Lee. Extortion and blackmail is a terrible way to govern. He shows a blatant disregard for the Constitution, the will of the people, and our system of government. Instead of upholding the law, he wants to impose a banana republic way of governing. Shame, Senator, shame.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    "...not backing down...".

    The very junior senator with the quixotic ACA obsession refuses to back down...


    "...despite shutdown impacts...".

    lee is immune from any shutdown impact.

    lee will continue to collect his salary from the heritage foundation.

    As long as he continues to do the bidding of jim demint, he will be held harmless.

    2016 cannot get here soon enough.

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 9:50 a.m.

    Three cheers for Lee! A true patriot standing up against the powerful politicians and media....trying to help even those too blinded about losing their freedoms.

  • common sense in Idaho Pocatello, id
    Oct. 2, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    Senator Lee if you don't like Obamacare then file legislation to repeal it and let it go through the legislative process.

    That's it. Nothing more. That's how the government works. Politics 101.

    What you are doing now should land you in jail. Completely shutting down funding of the government just because you're mad.

    You are hurting hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people.

    I only wish I lived in Utah so I could my vote against you.

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    Oct. 2, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    @ Gildas - LOGAN, UT - "Sure, Social Security is YOUR money. But unfortunately the government controls it. QUOTE And who controls the government?"

    The quote above about the government controlling our Social Security funds is my quote so I'll reply to it...

    Tell you what, Gildas, if you really think you "control" the federal government, why don't you just trot down to your local Social Security Admninstration building, show them your ID and demand that they give you every last red cent of YOUR Social Security money you've payed in over the years and see what happens. All of it, paid in full, right now.

    Still think you "control" the government?


    UtahBlueDevil (above) wants us to think that the Fed Gov't operates many functions cheaper than any civilian company could yet he fails to give a single, specific, certifiable example.


    And even if he could show any example, the only reason it could do it "cheaper" is if it was getting government subsidies to do it, in essence, admitting they can NOT do it cheaper than a private company.

    Go watch some Jon Stossel on TV and learn how the Feds REALLY operate.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    You don't like our laws and will not obey them?

    USA has a stand already, we do not negotiate with terrorists.

    Too bad Sen Lee feels he is not subject to the laws of the land.

  • Yorkshire City, Ut
    Oct. 2, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    Everyone makes it seem like Lee is the SINGLE only person standing in the way of the government working....the pin that has to be toppled by any means necessary before life as we know it can continue....

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    Oct. 2, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    @ UtahBlueDevil -

    "Social Security - not broke... running a surplus right now."

    You don't really believe that, LONG TERM, SS is healthy, do you?

    "As to the others, they for the most part are broke by design."

    Uhh..."broke by design"? Would you want a car or a home that I "designed" to "break"? Would you want an organization designed to "break" to serve you? I'm not asking for a profit, I'm asking for efficiency.

    US Postal Service: wouldn't need a rates raise (again!) if it was run efficiently.

    Federal Budget: WRONG! The House (now controlled by GOP) generates the budget, the Senate (controlled by Democrats) approves it. The House HAS proposed budgets, MANY budgets. The Senate has not approved them. Sorry, but history and fact are not on your side.

    Federal coffers: not asking for the Feds to turn a 'profit'. I'm demanding they don't spend more than they take in. The haven't. Result: $17 TRILLION of debt.

    "And yes, many parts of the government work very well, at a cost far lower than the private sector ever would."

    Name some....

    I've worked for the Feds for 22 years! Your opinion is simply incorrect.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 9:22 a.m.

    Sure, Social Security is YOUR money. But unfortunately the government controls it.


    And who controls the government?

  • Thinkman Provo, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    What a concept! Scrutinizing and actually getting down to at least some details of places where we can cut the budget! (responsible) Households do this all the time: look at what costs can be cut to balance your own budget.

    Keep it up Senator Lee. This is why we sent you to Washington - otherwise we would have just mailed in Bob Bennett to be a Republicrat.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 9:16 a.m.

    Mike Lee needs to read E. J. Dionne's editorial in the Trib. And then resign.

  • Denverite Centennial, CO
    Oct. 2, 2013 9:14 a.m.

    Ms. Mickelsen learned the wrong lessons from her time in the House, so it's good that she's out now.

    The media screamed about the 1995 shutdown--plus the vacationers who couldn't see the Washington Monument or whatever, plus many civil servants at the Navy base where I worked. Guess what? In the next election, the Republicans held the House and gained 2 seats in the Senate.

    So this selective memory about "the public didn't like it then, and the Republicans paid the price for it in the next election" is simply wrong. And I strongly suspect the same will happen in 2014--Republicans will keep the House and gain several seats in the Senate--if the few conservatives in Congress just ignore the media (which ought to be a standing rule for everyone in Congress) and keep at it.

    The reason you don't see Democrats shut down the government as much is 1) they believe in government, so it's like cutting their own throat, and 2) Republicans always cave at the last minute. Get someone in as President who wants to stop abortions after 20 weeks, and we'll see who shuts down the government next.

  • PackerFan Blanding, Utah
    Oct. 2, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    Way to go Senator Lee!

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    Oct. 2, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    Sen Lee has worthless ideas. His way or the highway. Get Sen Lee off the front page. Editorialize about realistic solutions, i.e. reopen the gov't to normal operation and services, i.e. suggest changes to the ACA, i.e. cut the military industrial complex 40% or more. But get Lee off his bully pulpit because he's an embarrasment to Utah and he's on the wrong side of history with this budget stalemate.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 8:54 a.m.

    One party's philosophy is attempting to do the right thing for the betterment of everyone.
    The other party's philosophy is based on greed and selfishness. Why on earth are uninsured families a good thing? I've yet to hear even one argument to make their point valid.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 8:44 a.m.

    If something positive could be said about him, it's that he's sticking to his post, and going down with the ship.

  • Kiboo South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 2, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    I am a Republican but this is one guy I will never vote for again. In fact, I am so fed up with Congress, I will not vote for any incumbents. Their approval rating is 10% or less and we continue to send them back to Washington??? Who really is to blame here?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    A Government shutdown --
    With only the bare essentials still open...

    Look around you folks,
    This is the Tea-Party utopia, fantasyland, dream come true.

    Is THIS the sort of America you want to live in?

    Mike Lee wanted his shutdown, he got it.

    Look around you,
    is this guy helping or hurting Americans?

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 8:34 a.m.

    Mike in Cedar City "What you are missing atl34,is the mindless hatred of Obama and all things Obama. That hatred is the root of all this disgusting political chicanery."

    The big question is whether or not the GOP's hatred for Obama will reach the same level of the Dems hatred for GWB during his 8 years as president. It is going to be close...

    Of course, to people like Mike that was "way different" and wasn't "mindless hatred", was it.

  • CentralUtah Alpine, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 8:29 a.m.

    I wasn't sure what to think of Sen. Lee before all of this; I have a new found respect for him now. He has had by far the best quote on this entire issue, "I would be happy to fund the ACA if that was what we were asked to fund. But it isn't. Obama has changed it multiple times illegally to appease his donors. How can he change it outside the law and then not agree to negotiate when others want to improve it."

    Not a single democrat will address this issue.

    Keep strong Sen. Lee!

  • Fyodor Mikhailovich Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    Despite the shutdown Sen Lee continues to pay himself while others are furloughed. He says because he is still "working" What a joke. His prinicples are one-- do anything to denigrate Obama and his greatest fear is that Obamacare might actually work and Obama would get the credit. He is not principled, he is just out to embarrass a president.

  • andyjaggy American Fork, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 8:24 a.m.

    When I start wondering why I am no longer a Republican a quick visit to the KSL and DN comment boards always jolts my memory.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 8:23 a.m.

    Exactly why I voted for him and will again.

  • klangton Akiachak, AK
    Oct. 2, 2013 8:19 a.m.

    Senators Lee, Rubio and Cruz. Three stooges without the humor. I have a son with four kids who is on furlough. This is definitely lacking humor.

  • greatbam22 andrews afb, MD
    Oct. 2, 2013 8:15 a.m.

    Meckofahess, Kings Court, JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt

    None of these posters and the others bring up the fact that OBAMA has granted waivers to a bunch of big CORPs and unions.

    As what I have heard him say is that he is unwilling to do the same thing for individual people. So I ask those posters and others how is that right? How is it right that Obamas buddies get exempted from the law and the rest of us don't?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 2, 2013 8:13 a.m.

    @A Guy With A Brain

    Social Security - not broke... running a surplus right now.

    As to the others, they for the most part are broke by design. No government agency is funded to the level of being a profit center. The government is not supposed to be collecting any more money then it needs.

    US Postal Service - requested to change services levels to balance its budget - was shot down by Democrat and Republican alike.

    Federal Budget. - the House who is responsible for generating one.... hasn't generated one in years... we can play this game for ever. The Senate can't pass what doesn't exist. Both are being stupid.

    Bottom line.... the government is to never run at a surplus. They are not a for profit company. They are not to collect more taxes then it needs to fill its mission. Should it balance its budget.. .yes. I think everyone agrees on that. But no part of the government should be generating a surplus...a profit.

    And yes, many parts of the government work very well.... at a cost far lower than the private sector ever would.

  • Dan Maloy Enid, OK
    Oct. 2, 2013 8:05 a.m.

    So let me ask this:

    Why does a government shutdown matter? What's the big deal? If the American population had generally spent LESS than they earned, ie, saved some for a rainy day, then they would NOT have to depend upon the government. It wouldn't matter or not if the government shut down.


    You wouldn't need it.


    You wouldn't need it.

    Social Security?

    You wouldn't need it.

    Sure, Social Security is YOUR money. But unfortunately the government controls it. Therefore....if you 'depend' upon your Social Security money to survive each month, then you 'depend' upon the Federal government.

    That is simply irrefutable fact.

    Who else said that?

    Mitt Romney.

    Instead of seeing the truth of the matter, the liberal mainstream media screamed that he was being "mean".....just a heartless, uncaring man.


    Instead of electing a man who understood business and had a record of turning government deficits around (Massachusetts...go look it up) we got a man who had led nothing and done nothing, and did not improve that record his first 4 years.

    Again, Romney called it as it is: if you depend on the government, you are a dependent.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Oct. 2, 2013 8:04 a.m.

    What you are missing atl34,is the mindless hatred of Obama and all things Obama. That hatred is the root of all this disgusting political chicanery.

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    Oct. 2, 2013 7:49 a.m.

    Social Security. Broke
    Medicare. Broke
    Medicaid. Broke
    US Post Office. Broke
    AmTrak. Broke
    FannieMae. Broke
    FreddieMac. Broke
    IRS Broke
    Federal Budget. Non-existent (go look it up, the Senate (controlled by Dems), haven't passed one in years)
    Federal surplus Surplus? Are you kidding? We're BROKE to the tune of $17 TRILLION (that's the equivalent, folks, of 17,000 BILLIONS.

    And yet the Feds are going to run Obamacare efficiently and on-budget?


  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 7:45 a.m.

    Correction, Mike Lee is my senator but my representative still voted for the shutdown.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 7:45 a.m.

    About the only thing left to do for all these people that want socialism is to propose and stand by the opposite, or close to the opposite, which would be anarchy. Anarchy would be much preferable to Socialism. At least as an anarchist, you still retain choice and liberty and perhaps a way to start over. Socialism is a slow and painful death. As the character in the Shawshank Redemption said, 'Get busy living or get busy dieing!' I'd rather live with anarchy then die with Socialism.

  • Christmas Carole LAS CRUCES, NM
    Oct. 2, 2013 7:42 a.m.

    I am having an extremely difficult time understanding what has happened to PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY in this great country of ours. It seems to me(personal viewpoint folks)that our country is dangerously heading toward COMPLETE responsibility for life, living, AND the pursuit of happiness all being the responsibility of the government....

    Funny, I thought we were all supposed to GROW up and be responsible for ourselves,i.e.if we don't make enough get more education and training, if we don't have insurance then we have larger on occasion bills(or sock money away for the "what ifs"),if we are stupid(as a friend in Ca. once said she was)and slip down on hospital property because of rain and we're in flip-flops we are hurt but don't sue the hospital that comes out in force with forms for that purpose, if someone snubs us and won't serve us etc we go elsewhere for business.,WHEN DID THE GOV BECOME MOM, DAD, AND GOD TO AMERICA?????

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 7:34 a.m.

    The federal government is one of the largest employers in the state.

    Mr. Lee is not my representative but I have contacted mine and expressed my displeasure at this shutdown. I suggest everyone here do the same.

    If these guys heard the voices of their constituents it might remind them who they are working for.

  • The Skeptical Chymist SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 7:29 a.m.

    Translation: Mike Lee is having a hissy fit and won't stop his histrionics, no matter how many people he hurts. Obama finally enacts the Republican health care plan, which was hatched by the Heritage Foundation and enacted on a statewide level in Massachusetts under Gov. Romney, and the Republicans go nuts. How very typical. They would disavow motherhood and apple pie if it enabled them to go against a Democrat. And somehow (with the aid of Fox News, talk radio propagandists, and, I'm sorry to say, the Deseret News) they manage to convince a portion of America that they are supporting the people.

    All the Republicans are doing is driving the US toward becoming a banana republic, where a tiny percentage of the population owns everything and the rest work for them, for whatever crumbs they can get.

  • Meadow Lark Mark IDAHO FALLS, ID
    Oct. 2, 2013 7:26 a.m.

    You keep fighting Senator Lee. Yes please keep fighting. I also like the comment above that if Obamacare is so great then why isn't Congress also on it? Why did Obama let the big labor unions not do Obamacare if it is so wonderful? Why is Obama himself not on Obamacare? I continue to say that even IF Obamacare were wonderful (which it isn't) as a country we CANNOT afford the Affordable Care Act. I'm telling you we cannot afford this. It will financially ruin our country. Keep fighting Senator Lee. Thank you.

  • Community Engagement Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 7:21 a.m.

    Do your job and get the government running! The ACA had been decided. The GOP needs to move on and start working with Americans to get the country going forward. It is time civility came back into politics.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 7:20 a.m.

    If the ACA is such a bad law why is the GOP so desperate to stop it?

  • Uncle_Fester Niskayuna, NY
    Oct. 2, 2013 7:19 a.m.

    when you put out a fire, atl34, what do you replace it with?

  • Uncle_Fester Niskayuna, NY
    Oct. 2, 2013 7:14 a.m.

    For those who think Lee and Cruz are doing us favors, think again. Obamacare whatever you think of it and I hate it, is the law. It is the function of the executive to enforce the law and collect taxes (Obamacare is a constitutional tax incidentally so declared by the SCOTUS). The only proper behavior now is for the legislature to either repeal the law, or fund the law it passed. GOP behavior at this point is lawless and should not be countenanced. If you don't believe that, then turn it around and imagine the parties reversed and issue one which you think vital and of which you approve. There are consequences to losing elections and one of the major consequences is the right to govern. The way the GOP is going nationally and on this budget matter specifically is political suicide. If the law is really that bad (and I think it is) then the GOP should stop the nonsense, pass the budget (heck any budget would be nice -talk about not doing their job) and let the Dems reap what they have sown. This way they the GOP isn't giving them a lifeline.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    Oct. 2, 2013 7:09 a.m.

    This thread does my heart good. And it should scare Sen. Lee worse than if he had to walk on to a military base right now. The most conservative newspaper in your home state (the most conservative state) has the majority of its posters telling you that you are going to crash and crumble Sen. Lee. A smart boy would pay attention.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 7:08 a.m.

    Mr Mike, try looking in the mirror, if you're looking for train-wrecks to avert.

    Stop punishing the people who actually care about this country and work to getting a consensus to fix the ideaological issues you have with government.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 7:07 a.m.

    The corruption is deep.
    After they were called out for not participating in ACA, Congress signed themselves up.
    And they were all rushing to the press to tell the world that in their largesse, they were just like us now.
    We soon learned that their plan is still different. They all get subsidies regardless of income level.
    That only leads me to believe they were trying to deceive us.
    Whatever integrity there was in Washington it is gone now.
    But I think people like Lee and Cruz are more candid than the rest. As mentioned by bandersen above, the system corrupts even good men after a couple of terms.

  • snowyphile Jemez Springs, NM
    Oct. 2, 2013 7:03 a.m.

    Most injudicious.

  • mhilton Lancaster, CA
    Oct. 2, 2013 7:03 a.m.

    Good for Mike Lee! It's now or never! If we don't stop something so horrible as Obamacare now, we are in for a world of hurt! And there will be no recovering from it! He is willing to compromise on certain facets of the budget. It's the Dems who are NOT willing to compromise. Whether he shoots himself in the foot or not, I'm glad he's willing to stand up and be counted. Yes, people are hurting now. My husband works for the AF and could be furloughed indefinitely until the budget is resolved within a couple of weeks. But, this is TEMPORARY! If the budget passes as is, we will ALL be in trouble INDEFINITELY!

  • milner Centerfield Sanpete, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 6:54 a.m.

    I wonder how he would feel if he was out of a job like alot of government employees! Get this guy out of office!

  • Really??? Kearns, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 6:33 a.m.

    If by taking a stand you mean grandstanding, yes, that's what he's doing. I have no patience for anyone who says no and refuses to cooperate without providing any alternative solutions to problems.

    Mr. Lee is a big flashing barricade that keeps cars from entering a street that doesn't need repair. Okay, maybe there are a few potholes that need to be filled. Unfortunately, he hasn't provided any detours or alternative routes for people to get the their desired destination. Good job, buddy!

  • TeaPublican Houston, TX
    Oct. 2, 2013 6:31 a.m.

    Let's talk the truth here folks! We TeaPublicans, in looking out for YOU, tried everything possible to vote obamacare down in Congress...and we couldn't get the job done! But now we have a whole lot of State governments stepping up and are going to make sure they do everything possible to make sure obamacare is NOT a success in their State! Our State Republican governments will NOT help in getting basic information out...in fact we will do everything we can to stand in the way! Come on man! All of us know darn well that those millions of people that don't get Obama's insurance is a small price to pay for taking back OUR America! And everyone of you know the majority of those kind of people would NEVER vote Republican anyway...even the few that actually vote! We TeaPublicans ARE now one step closer to fully taking back our America in 2014 n 2016. Just wait and see... it's going to be "P n P" in 2016.....Perry n Palin...just what America is waiting for!

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 6:18 a.m.

    I want to commend Senator Lee of Utah for his stand. So often we complain, some of us, that Congress so often despises and arrogantly ignores the will of the people who voted for them. When someone works to realize the popular will then they should be commended; it is a refreshing change.

    The people said NO to the big bankers but government said yes, and bailed them out at the expense of the taxpayers. People say YES to capital punishment but legislatures make it illegal or make it inordinately difficult to carry out even in the case of a confessed murderer. People say NO to national health, repeatedly, in this country, but a majority of legislators have now pushed it through and will not let it go on any terms. Dissidents of either party are under pressure not to fight it manfully.

    The House does have the initiative in money bills, and it is one of the ways Congress never has to support standing army. But legislators seem to like embarking on wars even though the people repeatedly say NO.

    Power to the people!!

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 5:24 a.m.

    I remember distinctly the night the ACA was passed....Matheson sat by watching to see if his vote would be needed to give us ACA.....he wasn't against ACA, he didn't vote no...until long after it was decided......who wants a elected official who acts this way.....you can't have it both ways JIM! Enjoy your last days.....

  • bobdc6 park city, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 5:17 a.m.

    While lamenting Obamacare, the Republicans have focused only on repeal while stating that they had a better health care plan. Well, where is it? If there's things that they don't like about Obamacare, why haven't they proposed legislation to fix it? After 42 votes to defund Obamacare, and a trip to the Supreme Court, why won't the Republicans face reality and offer Americans an alternative other than nothing? They have only nothing and the voters know it.

  • Europe Topeno, Finland
    Oct. 2, 2013 5:12 a.m.

    Obamacare a "right" to be punished if you do not BUY insurance. Sad how AMERICA is taken on a ride by the nose AGAIN... Obamacare is a catastrophy waiting to happen. It criminalizes people by forcing them to take insurance and punishes you if you do not. Not so in a free world. It builds on a foundation of bad old mistakes, political fiascos! If you build ANYTHING new, rhe first thing you build is a foundation. The foundation OCare is built on is the world's most expensive, that failed to offer anything affordable. Sad that politicians cannot fix this, and the media is too ignorant to get the story straight. The dishonesty for the sake of political advantages is almost criminal. If O and Demos would have taken GOPs propossal to cut LAWYERS, CLASS ACTION, LIABILITY out of medicine the cost of med would have gone down 20-25% overnite (liability issue handled differently). BUT NOBODY TALKS ABOUT THESE REAL ISSUES!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 3:10 a.m.

    Conservatives say that Obamacare will cause more harm than good so getting rid of it will prevent that harm. I don't agree with that... at all, and Republicans have nothing to show for the "replace" part of the "repeal and replace" part but let's give them the benefit of the doubt that they're sincere about this. I assume that Republicans, being decent people, also don't want to see Obamacare fail (if we're "stuck with it").

    Here's the part I don't understand... if you think Obamacare is a net negative, and you also sincerely don't want to harm anybody, why defund Obamacare? Defunding it doesn't keep it from being law AND you worsen the state of it which would only make it more harmful to people. What is the reasoning behind this? Can one of you conservatives help explain that because the only logical thing to me is that Republicans do want to see Obamacare fail and they want to sabotage it without care about the American people. What am I missing?

  • Bob K porland, OR
    Oct. 2, 2013 1:55 a.m.

    Utah could do a lot better than Sen Lee.

    If getting rid of Pres Obama and his policies is more important to someone reading my comment than insuring the orderly running of the Government, and the balance between its three branches, may I suggest you are the suckers who swallowed the lies.

    Health care should have been fixed by Nixon or Reagan -- but there is too much money for rich interests in it the way it exists, so they dupe America that it did not need fixing.

  • mountainlocal Brooklyn, NY
    Oct. 2, 2013 12:40 a.m.

    Senator Lee is fighting a battle he can't win. With egg on his face, he is simply following his ego. He is completely delusional and hurting thousands of others at his expense. It never pays to have an idealistic but extremely naive Senator. As the former senator Enid Greene Mickleson stated, "This isn't about being conservative or not conservative. This is about whether people are willing to deal in the real world." Lee is letting his ego hurt others by trying to be a hero.

  • RedneckLefty St. George, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 11:58 p.m.

    What does it matter what the blowhard Lee thinks at this point? The Senate already passed its version--which the House leadership wouldn't even put to a vote in the house, precisely BECAUSE there was a bipartisan group of GOPs an Dems large enough to pass it!

    There is nothing principled about this. It is self-indulgent grandstanding that hurts real people.

    Shame on Lee and the rest of Utah's delegation.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 1, 2013 11:55 p.m.

    A large majority of Americans wanted expanded background checks for guns--but were ignored by legislators. Should we employ shutting down the govt. to achieve it?

    It is sheer lunacy to expect a twice-elected (Democratic) Pres. and a Democratically controlled Senate to abandon the signature achievement of his presidency. Ain't going to happen. Most Americans know the Tea Party Republicans are expecting too much and don't like their bully tactics. Unfortunately this extremist group--led by Cruz and Lee--have little risk when facing re-election. But Republicans in more moderate districts should be very concerned about the next election.

    Barely one in four (26%) approve of congressional Republicans’ handling of budget negotiations, while 34% approve of their Democratic counterparts and 41% approve of Obama’s approach.
    (Washington Post/ABC poll)

    46% said that if government agencies and programs start closing on Tuesday, they would fault Republicans in Congress while 36% said they would blame Obama, the CNN survey found. 13% said both would be at fault.

    The Quinnipiac poll also shows Democrats with a 9-point lead on the 2014 House generic ballot — a historically wide edge.

  • riverofsun St.George, Utah
    Oct. 1, 2013 11:25 p.m.

    American Voters now yearn for the "old days" when the older, more seasoned legislators had control over the younger, ego driven newcomers. Then newbies were told to "sit down, shut up, pay attention, listen and learn".
    America also recalls the day after Barack Obama was elected when it was decided by the GOP at the post election meeting of Republican leaders to say "NO" to anything our President presented to legislators.
    America also vividly remembers the Tea Party whipper snappers vowing to "shutdown the government, if it was the last thing they ever did" as they assumed their positions following the 2010 election.
    What's next?

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Oct. 1, 2013 10:12 p.m.

    If the GOP has the guts and intestinal fortitude and the votes to repeal the Affordable Care Act, then DO IT ON IT'S OWN MERITS. Attaching it to all other bills PROVES Republicans cannot pull it off and are willing to paralyze the country to get their way. They have offered ZERO compromise and a long list of demands.

    I know the GOP playbook because I used to be GOP. They put party and power before country. They didn't bother to lift a finger during the Recession, instead they tried to pass dozens of body control bills.

    Thank goodness I saw the light and am an Independent now.

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Oct. 1, 2013 10:09 p.m.

    A patriot

  • SAS Sandy, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 10:02 p.m.

    The real irony is that the ACA is not subject to the shutdown of discretionary funding. Its funding guarantee was passed (by both houses of Congress) at the same time as the rest of the act.

    So while it's good to see Matheson calling for a spending bill that includes the ACA funding, either he or the DN reporter has the wires crossed.

    The shutdown won't affect the ACA one way or another--the exchange websites are online right now. The republicans are just holding the rest of government hostage until they get their way on ACA.

  • durwood kirby South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 9:44 p.m.

    Bandersen: "Get out while you are still a good man."

    In my view, it's too late. His pride is costing Americans much more than just a few bucks.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Oct. 1, 2013 9:38 p.m.

    As a former Republican I recall NO, NOT 1, GOP leader asking GW Bush to curb any spending. Now you all fight the Healthcare reform law which was a GOP idea to begin with. How do I know this? Gee, I was one who supported this GOP model that Romneycare and Obamacare are patterned after the Sutherland Institute plan.

    The BIGGEST question to my former GOP. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO REPLACE IT WITH? You know why NO GOP politicians has an answer? Because Obama used their plan.

    If Romney was president, he would just RENAME the Affordable care act and keep it the exact same with the MANDATE. Then he would give his campaign pledge 2 Trillion on top of Pentagon requested budgets and none of you conservatives would oppose this spending just like none of you opposed any GW Bush spending.

  • Kings Court Alpine, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 9:38 p.m.

    The ACA (Affordable Care Act) was fought under the normal legislative process. If the Republican Congress wants to repeal Obamacare, it should be through normal procedures but instead, they are refusing to pay the bills they incurred until the President just hands it over to them. That is not normal, that is not the way the government is supposed to operate, and it circumvents the proper use of checks and balance and divided government.

    CP of Tooele, I do hope you are aware that Obama has added the least amount of new debt out out of the last five Presidents (excepting President Clinton). Note the keyword is new, meaning "new" debt. Most of the Trillions added to during the last four years was "legacy" debt. "Legacy" means debt that is ongoing due to past Presidents and Congresses. For instance, TARP was legacy debt. Prescription drug benefits costs is legacy debt; so is military spending from the wars in the Middle East. The list goes on and on, but I hope this helps you understand debt a bit better.

  • JDL Magna, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 9:36 p.m.


    What is your alternative? You cry that Senator Lee is an extremist and offers no solution but you are more guilty than he is. I see Senator Lee as extremely principled--he has taken a hard stand against a hardened and cruel not to mention corrupt system that has usurped power from we the people.

    I disagree that he is standing on the wrong side of the History. He may not win the battle against a corrupt and powerful foe but, he is standing for you and for me and someday you may thank him rather than revile him.

    This time, this very issue of Obama care, in my opinion is a defining moment in the history of the US. I fear the worst if Mr. Lee fails.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 9:13 p.m.

    As sad as it is for those who are being furloughed is, far, far and away is the tyranny and loss of liberty, and the dependency and loss of self respect that comes with socialism, including the loss of lives resulting from a government takeover of the health care system. Thank you senator lee. Two terms and out before you lose your soul like the kingmen that are there before you. A corrupt politician is not a cliche. It is what happens to those who stay. Get out while you are still a good man.

  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 9:11 p.m.

    I want the same health care Congress has.....

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 9:10 p.m.

    Are people wrong in wanting the same insurance coverage that Senator Lee has and for the same price?

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 9:09 p.m.

    Senator Lee, you will end up being on the wrong side of history with this issue. Your name will also be in the wrong row on the ballot for my vote next go around. We need serious representatives in the US Senate from the state of Utah, not radical extremists who don't offer reasonable alternatives to a good but not perfect health care law that will finally provide much prayed for healthcare to millions of Americans. Utah can do a lot better in selecting candidates for the US Senate!. As a former Republican converted to a Conservative Independent, I think Jon Huntsman would make an outstanding Senator or President of the United States. Please run again for office Governor Huntsman!!!!!!!!!.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 8:57 p.m.

    He should resign if the Affordable Care Act is not repealed.

  • CP Tooele, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 8:55 p.m.

    I'm glad to hear that Sen. Lee isn't backing down. Obama has received so much money for his so called healthcare reform. He has caused this nation trillions more dollars of debt because of it. Stick to your guns Sen. Lee.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 8:54 p.m.

    Looks like he's going all in.