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Published: Wednesday, Oct. 2 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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J Thompson
SPRINGVILLE, UT

Okay, just what does the Deseret News suggest? Do we cave in to Obama's ObamaCare? Do we let the government take another 18% to 25% of our wages and spend it on pork instead of putting it a "locked box" that can only be used for medical payments? Do we let yet another Ponzi scheme destroy our ability to save for retirement?

Social Security is broke, but the people who contributed 15% of their income had no ability to save money for their retirement. Do we let the government take another 18% to 25%? Have we learned nothing? Are we going to let liars pick our pockets?

Those who believe that the Constitution allows the government to tax us for personal welfare have not read the Constitution. Even if cowardly judges tell us that ObamaCare is "just" a tax and that Congress has the authority to levy taxes, we, who have read the Constitution, know that Congress has been assigned 17 duties for which they can tax us. Health care is not on that list.

The House has passed its budget. They should hold the line as long as it takes.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

"America has a spending problem, and as long as that problem remains, it will have a revenue problem, as well. " Why don't you at the D-News do an historical analysis of how we reached our current situation. If you did so you would find that high end personal income tax cuts and corporate tax cuts led the current deficit. So revenue is the problem. The next problem was the collapse of Wall Street which the common people did not create, leading to lower incomes and lower tax receipts, compounding the revenue problem. Our problems are mostly revenue based. But you just can't shed your three piece suit view of the world - as far as you are concerned it is always the little people who are at fault and who must be punished.

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

I don't know what editor Paul Edwards et al have against the tea party, who they put at the head of a list of implied irresponsibles, and seniors who are on fixed incomes eroded by gov. spending and most vulnerable to new massive expenditures and the accompanying inflation.

Despite the campaign of the print media generally the shut down DOES have immense significance.

It is the people saying LISTEN to us. We DON'T want national health.

This insistence on being heard and respected happens so rarely and impresses itself so rarely on Congress that it is of major significance in and of itself. Imo this protest will also succeed

....... and that is what the powers that be fear.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

So long as mega-huge Corporations pay no taxes and receive Trillions in hand-outs and subsides,
So long as Republicans can wage un-funded wars in the Middle East for Oil,
So long as Tea-Partiers can hold the entire country hostage over laws that have passed the Congress, Executive and Supreme Court branches of Government.

Cry me a river...

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

One other thing ---

Shutting the entire Government down like this,
to ONLY the essential emergency services,
is like the ultimate Tea-Party fantasy come true!

Take a good look around, and imagine this becoming permanent, and get used to it,
Because this is the type of full-time America they are trying to create.

Mike in Cedar City
Cedar City, Utah

The Tea Party wants to "drown government in a bathtub" and the DMN is providing the water.

one old man
Ogden, UT

The GOP hates those people who are part of the terrible 47%.

They portray us as parasites sucking the lifeblood of the nation. In fact, most of the 47% are Americans who have served their nation, their communities, and their neighbors well and faithfully throughout our lives.

May I submit that the real parasites are those at the top? Those who have sucked a huge percentage of the nation's economy into their offshore tax havens? Those who may use their enormous wealth to literally purchase the services and loyalty of Congress?

Gadianton is alive and well. He lives in some big buildings along a street named Wall.

And he has managed, through clever, diabolical propaganda, to fool many of our neighbors into believing he is our savior.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I agree 100%. The media is totally focused on this relatively impact-less government shutdown... and totally ignoring looming problems.

It's like continuously interviewing people about the crack in the sidewalk while the whole city is on fire behind the camera man focusing on the crack.

Republicans are guilty of it too. Focusing on ObamaCare when it doesn't really matter if we continue this debt fueled death spiral as a Nation.

And Democrats, what good is ObamaCare if our government is bankrupt and no matter how hard the people work, and not matter how much they are taxed... we can't pay our debts?

We are at that tipping point where our debt-to-GDP ratio is 100%.... but media and politicians don't care... They just want us to ignore it and keep plowing blindly ahead into MORE debt!

Verbatim From Wikipedia:
In economics, the debt-to-GDP ratio is one of the indicators of the health of an economy. It is the amount of national debt of a country as a percentage of its gross domestic product (GDP)... In 2011 United States public debt-to-GDP ratio was about 100%.

THAT's The fire!

Shaun
Sandy, UT

If polticians would stop stealing from social security then we wouldn't have a problem. But the true problem is our politicians are cowards. Rather than taxing us at we need to be taxed at to sustain our government operations, they are always trying to find ways to hide what it really would cost us taxpayers.

It is easy to lower taxes but steal from the social security trust fund.

SG in SLC
Salt Lake City, UT

@ J Thompson,

Not to put too fine a point on it, but your interpretation of the Constitution simply does not matter. It isn't worth the digital ink it is written with. It's moot.

On the other hand, the Constitutional interpretation of those nine so-called "cowardly judges", as you so contemptuously put it, is ultimately the only one that matters, as theirs is the only interpretation that has any real-world efficacy.

You are certainly free to preach your "strict constructionist/17 enumerated powers" dogma and revile against broad permissive use of the "necessary and proper" clause, commerce clause, Preamble provisions, and other parts of the Constitution outside of Article I Section 8 until you are blue in the face if you'd like, but unless you can get yourself appointed to SCOTUS (not likely), it's irrelevant.

So . . . since the Supreme Court ruled that the funding mechanism for the Affordable Care Act was Constitutional, and were otherwise silent regarding the ACA, it stands as the law of the land, until such time as it is repealed through act of Congress. This attempt to “monkey-wrench” the law through defunding and extortion is the truly “cowardly” act.

dalefarr
South Jordan, Utah

As usual the D-News fails to mention needed cuts in military spending.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

dalefarr,
Re: "As usual the D-News fails to mention needed cuts in military spending"

What "Needed" military spending cuts?
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We already had severe almost crippling cuts to Defense in the Sequester that were designed by Democrats to be so severe that Republicans would do ANYTHING to prevent them from occurring. And yet... they allowed them to occur. (Obama's calculation was wrong)

So on top of those budget cuts... we need even MORE?

How far would YOU cut military spending?

Do you agree that we even need a military?

Maybe one that just can't pay it's soldiers would make you happy? Or one that's very small. Small enough that they can't respond if North Korea, Russia, or Iran decides the US has no military deterrent and they can just threaten to use their Nukes and nothing will happen?

You seem to have a problem with the military. Do ALL Democrats hate the military?

Military spending cuts may be a good thing. But I really don't think they are the big problem being ignored while the media focuses on this silly Government shutdown.

high school fan
Huntington, UT

Just imagine if you had a shutdown and nobody cared! At least right now we are not going further in debt. And to those who make up stuff just so it sounds good or to justify their position, just remember that most of us are just trying to have a good life. For every rich perso or every greedy corporation or those who cheat, 95% of us never did anything so quit trying to blame the so called rich guy that prevented all of us from getting what we deserve.

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