Published: Wednesday, Oct. 2 2013 4:12 p.m. MDT
As a heartfelt conservative with strong family and faith values, and as one who
believes America's greatness lies in the initiative and independence of its
people, I have stood dumbfounded and saddened at the mass movement of America
toward social liberalism. The possibility of the death of opposing viewpoints
to social liberalism in America is very real. With close to 90% of our media --
not just broadcast but also social and blogosphere -- dedicated to social
liberalism, where is one to get a true picture of things as they really are?
Liberals, dedicated to a great society in which government involvement and
intervention make the skies blue and the sun shine, never concern themselves
with issues of personal freedom, or the cost involved. In their world as long
as big brother takes care of everything from health to employment to what
religious and marriage beliefs we're allowed to hold, the world will be a
wonderful place. We want our children educated, but America's universities
are also filled with people who espouse the same singular point of view, thus
furthering the cloudiness of clear understanding for our kids. I fear they
don't stand a chance. Where is the balance?
The only person to kill part of Obamacare was Obama himself. He gave business
until 2015. They are on the honor system this year, you know what that means.
Why is he allowed to change things, and not Congress?
Maybe the Affordable Care Act could give counseling for reality shock. Fantasy
politics took a hit when Senator Lee attempted to defund the already funded
"Work together to make it better?" The President, Harry Reid, Nancy
Pelosi, and the Democrats have proven they don't want that. "No
negotiations", they say, and their pleas for "compromise" mean only
"my way or the highway." Their consistent refusal to talk to the House
Republicans demonstrate they don't want any changes--except for those
extra-legal, questionably unconstitutional changes President Obama, without
congressional approval, has made to the law himself.Anybody who
doesn't see this is a pathway to constitutional and economical disaster has
"Your purpose, then, plainly stated, is that you will destroy the
Government, unless you be allowed to construe and enforce the Constitution as
you please, on all points in dispute between you and us. You will rule or ruin
in all events."--Abraham Lincoln addressing Southern Secessionists He might as well have been addressing Mike Lee and Ted Cruz.
What Congress givith, Congress can take away! Watch how quickly the Act will
disappear when the Republicans get their act together.
Claiming that the House Republicans will "try to take the nation into
default to stop Obamacare" is only half the story. One could also argue
that the Senate Democrats will try to take the nation into default to preserve
Obamacare. It's quite mistaken to blame the whole thing on the GOP. I
blame both parties and a legislative process that fails to prevent stalemates
like this.And it's a huge leap of faith to claim that most of
the kinks in Obamacare will be worked out by 2017. I am self-employed, and my
medical insurance in January 2013 was $277 a month. In January 2014, one year
later, it will rise to $567 a month. So I'm leaving. I'm making
preparations to move to a Christian medical sharing plan, which (amazingly)
survived Obamacare and is a legal way to avoid the Obamacare penalty.
Meanwhile, huge numbers of sick persons may flock to Obamacare while young and
healthy persons stay away until they get really sick. Maybe the administrative
kinks will be worked out, but the premises of Obamacare are still wildly
untested and could cause all of Obamacare to collapse without a single GOP vote.
I hope not.
So, according to the author, let's keep something that has been a lie. It
was promised to reduce cost (lie), promised to allow choice for your doctor
(lie), to make health care better (lie), and, of course, the biggest one of all,
this isn't 'socialism'. This is the most bizarre claim of all.
If this isn't socialism, someone please inform me what it is then.
Socialism: a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting
of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of
capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. To state that Obomacare is
not Socialism is amazing, particularly coming from a professor at a major
university, and BYU! Perhaps he has never read the writings of Ezra Taft
Benson. Well, of course, he's a dead prophet and was living in a different
day and age. Indeed. I'm sure he would have a few things to say about the
ignorance of those who want to view Socialism positively. NO thanks.
The reason the Affordable Healthcare Act was passed by Congress was because the
majority of Americans felt and still believe costs related to healthcare in the
U.S. are skyrocketing out of control and were unaffordable or unavailable for a
significant percentage of citizens and their families.There is no
more debate or negotiations. It is the law of the land and the Supreme Court put
its iron stamp on it as well when it was challenged. The article clearly spells
out the benefits of the law. We have in Congress a group of
extremists who are needlessly peddling doom and refuse to negotiate. Shutting
down government and blackmailing the American people as the Tea Party
Republicans have done, will eventually not work and will backfire come election
time. Remember that folks next elections.
bandersen, I would prefer to follow the Constitution when creating or changing
laws. If you are against your definition of socialism, then stop using the
internet, roads and bridges and watching BYU football on FCC controlled
The Republicans should go ahead and do their best to implement it, or rather to
support the administration to implement it. Then when it is incredibly messed
up, they can say, "We did our best." It is possible right now that
someone in the White House is saying, "Wow! We really messed up! No one
will ever vote Democratic ever again. How do we conceal this?" And then
Pres. Obama says, "I know! I will tell the Repubs I won't negotiate.
Lee and Cruz will get mad and do everything to stop Obamacare. Even shut down
the government. No one will ever find out how bad we messed up and we can blame
the Republicans. (Evil laugh). I am a sinister genius! (Some more evil
laughter.)."(OK, I am stretching things a bit with the evil
laughter, but Dems are playing chess and the Republicans are playing checkers.)
I agree with most of what the Professor says in this editorial. But one thing I
don't agree is his suggestion that single payer systems are somehow
socialized medicine. Government paying the bills hardly makes for socialism.
For the county to turn to socialized medicine, the government would have to be
far more involved. It would have to own and run the hospitals, employee medical
service providers, make all purchases of medical supplies and drugs and control
their distribution. It would have to have the power to determine who could
become a medical provider and who could not. A single payer where
the government just pays the bills to privately run or to non profit hospitals
and to independent physicians and other health providers who are not employed by
the government hardly qualifies as "socialized medicine".
Work together to make it better. Please.
Excellent editorial, Richard. I would invite all the conservative commenters
here to read E.J. Dionne's editorial in the Trib this morning. Mike Lee and
our House sheep ought to read it too. There is no way to spin this government
shutdown as anything other than a Tea Party attack on the Constitution they give
lip service to.
I thought the tea party was greatly diminished?A coalition of a few
congressmen cannot hold anything up. It is the sum total of the GOP that has
given the house of representatives the power they are exercising. That would be
the house, elected by the people, that has a Republican majority.This isn't a tea party thing, this is a Republican thing. Just like the
ACA is a Democrat thing.If we don't like it, then we have an
election cycle that is just beginning and again the will of the people will be
exercised. Just like last time.So many of the posters on this forum
are predicting doom and gloom for the GOP. They may be right. They were not
last time. We'll see. The GOP has not lost my vote yet as there is not a
viable alternative. Certainly not the Democrats.
This country allow freedoms of speech and thinking. To condem others because of
their choice is wrong. A person covinced against their will is of the same
opinion stillHome schooling has been shown to be a much better
method of education yet public schools continue to placate the masses. As a
coluntry we do not always agree or vote for the best.Now the country
is having to swallow the bitter pill it voted for. It is law, regardless of who
you voted for. It is like a 45 mph speedlimit on I 15, it may not be the most
pleasant thing but we will survive.I feel bad that our state is
represented by Senator Lee as he has grown to be a headline hound and is more
concerned with getting his name in the headlines than helping the people of
Utah. Even money bags Orrin is backing away from this latest round of Senator
Lee hunting a microphone. Were anyone else to act like that and not be an
elected official they would be arrested.
Rather the solution is to reform it to correct those flaws. Obamacare is here to
stay. So let’s work together to make it better."===== Agreed.Next step, Get rid of the FOR-profit leeches of
Insurance, and go to a Single Payer System.
And Mr Davis, whether you like it or not, Congress has the power to add, change,
or remove laws. That "remove" portion regarding Obamacare is what is
upsetting to you. I suggest that you follow your own counsel and live with the
fact that Congress may at some point get rid of it. And further, it
wasn't the House of Representatives that shut down the government. It was
the Senate. Nice spin by the media, but it was expected since they are deeply in
the pockets of the Democratic Party. I have no doubt that were this a different
issue and the shoes were changed, the media would be applauding the tough House
Wow! What a one sided-biased editorial.Ignoring the points being
made by those who disagree does not make them wrong, nor will it make them go
away. Taking care of the poor is a good idea, but everybody can see that this
is fiscally unsustainable. Cost estimates have already quadrupled, and their
have been no ideas brought forth on how to fund it.Our economy
cannot sustain it and return to health! I guess if we are all equally poor, at
least we will all be equal.
I hope Richard Davis monitors comments to his story as I have a question.I will FREELY admit I have NO IDEA WHO TO BELIEVE in regard to
Obamacare.Will it be a train wreck?Will it be all
wonderful?We have employee sponsored health care now, but have I
have seen several insinuations that big employers see $$ to be made by dropping
that and paying the penalty.From a DesNews story by Dan Liljenquist
Sept 26: "employers who don't provide health care insurance
will pay the federal government a “tax” or penalty, beginning in
2015..up to $2,000 per employee.Employers, whose finance personnel are
usually pretty good at math, are realizing that they can save a bunch of money
if they (1) stop providing health care to their employees, (2) push their
employees to the federal insurance exchanges, and (3) pay the per employee
“tax.” Since most companies that currently offer health insurance as
part of their benefits package pay a whole lot more than $2,000 per employee per
year for health care, the economic incentives to push their employees to
the...subsidized exchanges are quite powerful." Your thoughts
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