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Published: Tuesday, Oct. 1 2013 1:28 p.m. MDT

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Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

I hate that it even got to this point of shutdown. But it's stunning to me that we're mad about the result. We elected these people and then reelected them, we brought this on ourselves. Mr. Obama has done nothing but polarize the Congress and the nation. It's time we realize that we've got to right the ship, get our spending and deficits under control and actually help the economy grow. Before comprehensive health care we needed to shore up Social Security and Medicaid/Medicare. Stunning to me that we leave those programs fighting a losing battle and then we add to the mess with more govt funded programs. What a shame that we've let things slide like we have.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

From a Rasmussen Reports poll that found 47% support a shutdown as opposed to 46% who oppose a shutdown.

"Republicans continue to strongly support a shutdown for spending cuts in general and ones specifically aimed at the health care law. Democrats are nearly as strongly opposed. "

So yeah... who exactly wants this gov't shutdown again?

BYUtah Fan
Herriman, UT

This is an interesting exercise in democracy. Obamacare was passed without a single republican vote and employed a legislative sleight of hand to get through. All the polls showed that the people were against it. That action infuriated republicans and spawned the tea party movement. Now the republicans in the house are using the same tactics that the democrats used to pass Obamacare to try to defeat it. The lesson to be learned is that a majority party cannot simply ride roughshod over the concerns of a minority party. Otherwise, when that minority gains power they will exercise the same slash and burn tactics employed against them. "My way or the highway" often simply leads over a cliff.

viejogeezer
CARLSBAD, CA

It seems to me that if the Republicans really thought the ACA was a "train wreck" they would stop fighting it and let it fail so they could hang the failure around Democrats necks in 2014. Could it be that they are really afraid it will succeed and be really popular, like Social Security and Medicare, both of which they fought tooth and nail. Remember the tea party signs during the health care town halls "KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF MY MEDICARE". Canadian health care costs less than one half what ours does per capita and 91% of Canadians prefer it to our system. In Ted Cruz's "Green eggs and ham" speech he admitted that his greatest fear was that ACA would be a success and most Americans would become addicted to it.

UtahBruin
Saratoga Springs, UT

@atl134

"So yeah... who exactly wants this gov't shutdown again?"

In a poll released last night, it was talking about who to blame.

Republicans 42%
Democrats 39%
Obama 13%
Undecided 6%

I guess the numbers don't lie. That is 52% who blame the Democrats. The last time I checked, Obama was a democrat and sides with the senate and visa versa.

So who wants the shutdown? 52% of Americans think the Democrats.

The Health Care plan won't work, it just started today and people are already confused. There is not decrease in rates that were promised. According to media reports, given in an interview with Harry Reid. Example: Of $2000 dollars spent on insurance, $1000 goes to covering the uninsureds bills they walked from. They said it would still be the same.

I say go ahead and give the Democrats what they want with a Sunset Clause, if the program is not what it is cracked up to be in a year. It goes away. How about that. If you and others are so certain it will work, then why not agree to that.

Feeling painted in a corner are you?

christoph
Brigham City, UT

Conservatives win with government shut down, the GOP dreams of a Tuesday through Thursday work week, which is what they had before 2006.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@UtahBruin
Other polls put more blame on Republicans than Democrats like the CNN poll. Painted in a corner... must be what Boehner feels.

We don't need a sunset clause. If the system isn't working then it can just be repealed or adjusted. Republicans have no interest in making things work though, they just want to destroy it. You say people are already confused; well that's largely your sides' fault for spreading lies about the program.

Republicans don't care about the uninsured, or those who are under furlough. They just hate Obama.

Bruce A. Frank
San Jose, CA

I am surprised that some think the TEA party has an "extreme right wing agenda." The TEA party stands for one concept: LOWER TAXES and the accompanying smaller, less intrusive government that is engendered by that concept.

Does anyone think the Federal Government has the power under the Constitution to force its citizenry to buy a product? It is not like a state requiring car insurance, as you do not have to buy a car. You have choices as to what transportation you choose or state to move to, to avoid its cost.

But if you like the customized health insurance policy you have now, you CAN NOT not keep it. If you have enough money saved to pay your doctor out of pocket so need no insurance, you will be fined. If you have no insurance because you don't want it or can't afford it, you will be fined and eventually FORCED to carry insurance. The cost to you of a policy designed by Obamacare is right now or will be soon 2 to 4 times what it was before the MANDATORY Obamacare policy. The TEA Party is the ONLY one trying to stop this illegal law!

rpm9
Lehi, UT

Why is it that national parks must close? I don't see the connection. National Parks are public land, just like national forests. National forests won't be closed. You can still hike the National Forest trail to the top of Timpanogos. So why is it that people can't enter Arches or Bryce and walk the trails? We don't have to have federal employees on-site in national forests, why must they be on-site in national parks?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

JoeBlow,
Re: Your claim that the US Dept of Defense is the largest employer in the WORLD...

I don't know if they are the worlds biggest employer, but they for sure don't even have the biggest budget (in the US Federal budget). They come in 3rd.

Google "2013 US Federal Budget Pie Chart"...
Healthcare 26%
Pensions 25%
Defense 22%
Welfare 10%
Interest 6%
Education 4%
Transportation 2%

What's interesting is... we allocate more $$$ to Healthcare and Pensions than we do to Defense.

Also interesting is... we only spend 2% of our budget on roads/transportation/etc. And only 4% on Education. That's atrocious.

But if it's true that the Dept of Defense is the worlds largest employer... at least they do it on less $$$ than we give to Healthcare and Pensions.

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC

Shutdowns happened multiple times under Reagan and they were hardly gloom and doom scenarios. Day 1 of the shutdown the stock markets are GAINING.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

LDS Liberal 10:23 a.m

Re: "Isn't a Government Shut-down, or better yet -- NO Government at all -- what these uber-Conservative Tea-Partiers have based their ideology anyway"?

No...
You keep saying this, but that doesn't make it true. Tea Party people don't want "NO Government". They want "SMALLER Government" (and so did our founding fathers who wrote our constitution).

If you can show me ONE STATEMENT from any Tea Party person in print that they want "NO Government" (and site your source)... I'd love to see it. If not... why not just quit pretending to speak for tea party people and setting up strawman statements the have never made?

Show me where Tea Party people have said they want "NO Government" please.

UtahBruin
Saratoga Springs, UT

@atl134

"Other polls.....like CNN polls" Of course CNN polls are going to show the Repubs at fault. The poll I used was from the Washington Post. It tried to show the Repubs as the bad guy, but they forgot about math.

Painted in a corner, Boehner? To be honest, I don't care if he is or not. The Repubs wont win this anyway, even if it does make sense. Which is why I said, give the whiny libs what they want, explain to them and the public that they flat out own it. And if for some reason it works. Then the better for all of us, right? If not, they wear the shame and should own it and wear it for years to come. But they will try to blame the right like usual.

"Spreading lies about the program" And I quote Nancy Pelosi - "We have to pass it to see what's inside" - Um who's lying? It started with a lie, and that was your left. You guys will never live that one down.

Repubs dont care? Now that is a lie, the repubs just say own it to uninsured. Problem solved.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

It is interesting to see the liberals all blame the Republicans for the shutdown when the Democrats in the Senate and Obama himself are equally to blame, if not more. If the Democrats in the Senate had accepted the House's proposal on Friday, this would have been avoided.

Now, we have Harry Reid saying that he won't even compormise or send people to work out a deal. The House is doing its job (for once) and is representing the will of the people who say that Obamacare is a mess and needs to be reconsidered. The Senate is ignoring the will of the people and is acting purely out of political motives.

I don't see this ending quickly unless the press can spin it so that Obama looks like a hero.

bindependent
Trabuco Canyon, CA

This is the best thing that could happen for our great country. First of all, our government hypocrite's can't do any more damage to our country. (at least for a while) Second, our national debt will not increase to fund Obamacare.
I hope they stay shut down for a while.

lehiaggie
Lehi, UT

This new approach championed by one of our own (Lee) has frankly embarrassed me as a voting republican. The Health Care Act is law. Why not put energy into amending and correcting and improving instead of holding the people of America hostage to get what you want.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Obama Care will drain Americas money supply, and leave us totally dependent on government for survival. Most all, will be at the same low level of lifestyle and call it fair.

It's already happening. Over half our people are fed, and dependent on the feds.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

@worf

"It's already happening. Over half our people are fed, and dependent on the feds."

Sources, please.

SG in SLC
Salt Lake City, UT

I have to shake my head at the naiveté of the folks here who think that shutting down the government is a *good* thing. It costs MONEY to mothball significant portions of the federal government, and then remobilize them again later; in the billions of dollars, I would think.

Government spending is a component of GDP, so every government dollar that would've been spent but is now sitting idle, thanks to the shutdown, is one less dollar of GDP growth. In real human terms, this is the many contractors and vendors who just had their government contracts and purchases deferred (or canceled). Truly, "money is like manure, of very little use except it be spread." There is also a multiplier-effect to slashing government spending via the shutdown. Hundreds of thousands of government employees just got furloughed, so their discretionary spending likely just took a nosedive (consumer spending is the largest component of GDP).

Taken together, you begin to see the impact on individuals and the economy that the shutdown will have; and this is small potatoes compared to what will happen if the same kind of shenanigans ensue with the debt ceiling.

SG in SLC
Salt Lake City, UT

I have to shake my head at the naiveté of the folks here who think that shutting down the government is a *good* thing. It costs MONEY to mothball significant portions of the federal government, and then remobilize them again later; in the billions of dollars, I would think.

Government spending is a component of GDP, so every government dollar that would've been spent but is now sitting idle, thanks to the shutdown, is one less dollar of GDP growth. In real human terms, this is the many contractors and vendors who just had their government contracts and purchases deferred (or canceled). Truly, "money is like manure, of very little use except it be spread." There is also a multiplier-effect to slashing government spending via the shutdown. Hundreds of thousands of government employees just got furloughed, so their discretionary spending likely just took a nosedive (consumer spending is the largest component of GDP).

Taken together, you begin to see the impact on individuals and the economy that the shutdown will have; and this is small potatoes compared to what will happen if the same kind of shenanigans ensue with the debt ceiling.

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