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  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 9:14 a.m.

    Unfortunately, with the passing of the seventeenth Amendment (wherein Senators are elected by popular vote rather than being appointed by the state legislature), the states lost the right to be represented in the Senate, where thy had held a veto power over any legislation which violated states' rights.

    Utah has great leaders. Mike Lee and Jason Chaffetz are revealing just how counterproductive and wasteful the federalization of state responsibilities has become.

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    Thomas Jefferson commented that :
    "I believe the states can best govern our home (domestic) concerns...I wish therefore to see maintained that wholesome distribution of powers established by the Constitution for the limitation of both (federal & state); and never to see all offices transferred to Washington"

    In 1911 the Supreme Court said, "Among the powers of the state not surrendered- which powers therefore remain with the state- is the power to so regulate the relative rights and duties of all within its jurisdiction as to guard the public morals, the public safety, and the public health, as well as to promote the public convenience and the common good"

    The State of Utah has the right and the best ability to maintain and regulate the national parks as well as all of Utah's natural resources.

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 7:33 a.m.

    The State of Utah and it's citizens need to seize the "national" parks through the legal means of the US constitution. *

    *Tenth Amendment

  • MrsH Altamont, UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    Yeah, but I have been trying to find a room for this weekend in Torrey for about 2 weeks now Everything is full, or they want serious money. I think they will be OK for a little while. LOL!

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 9:16 p.m.

    Compromise was a dirty word to the tea party a week ago. Shut id down will be the slogan of an un-patriotic extremist in another week

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 1, 2013 9:07 p.m.

    @CHS 85:

    Do your own homework! The data is easy to find.

  • Lilalips Attleboro, MA
    Oct. 1, 2013 8:51 p.m.

    Yay! Shut it down! We are spending money we DON'T HAVE!

  • Mrs TAP Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 7:11 p.m.

    Yesterday I spent the day at Arches Natl Park. There, we met several couples who were traveling to the natl parks, all from out of state, a few from out of country. They were quite distraught that they had come so far and didn't know what to do now. The foreigners were confused by the whole thing (as are many of us). We were able to tell them of some state parks here and in surrounding states that they could visit, and they were quite grateful....nevertheless, still disappointed, as they had anticipated and planned for this vacation for so long.

  • nanato12 Spanish Fork, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 7:06 p.m.

    Let's hope salaries of Obama and all elected officials are not being paid. Turn off the lights in the White House and take away all his Secret Service protection. If the people voting on these measures are affected by them, maybe they'll think twice before acting so stupid.

  • Francis LeGuarde Sandy, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 4:36 p.m.

    No matter how serious my concerns about Obamacare — and I am profoundly worried about some components of the legislation — I can not support the shameful tactics employed by the Republican-lead House. You don't furlough 800,000 Americans and threaten the economy to repeal bad legislation or prove a point. As Utah's congressional delegation face re-election over the next several years, Utahns should place a renewed focus on seeking out statesmen (and women) rather than trigger-happy political activists.

  • D.T. Sandy, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 4:25 p.m.

    If the Democrats were to "compromise," wouldn't that send a message to Republicans that they could hold the budget (or debt ceiling) hostage any time they were displeased with programs or legislation? Such an arrangement would effectively give the Republican house (or any party in a similar position) a wildly disproportionate amount of power.

    In negotiation, every side wants to seek out leverage to enhance their bargaining position. Holding the federal government (or debt ceiling) hostage is a shameful ploy for either party, and the country should seek reform — constitutional change, if necessary — to make sure this never happens again.

  • truth-seeker American Fork, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 4:15 p.m.

    Just the process of shutting down the government costs two billion dollars and another two billion when it starts up again. A huge amount of national debt goes to pay just the interest. Default on what congress has already spent and the interest payments could more than double. Since all of the economic gains since 2000 have gone to the top one-percent, shouldn't they be the ones to make up the increase caused by their Tea Party surrogates? Perhaps by making billion dollar salaries of hedge fund managers taxable as ordinary income. I want good government. And I don't want the anarchists that the ultra-far-right has forced onto the GOP ticket. It seems the mass meeting approach is designed to enable that kind of thing. We need a primary system where all Utahns can use their vote so 'the voice of the people' determines the best outcome. The Book of Mormon is right about the voice of the people as a whole usually being the wisest choice.

  • SG in SLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 2:49 p.m.

    I have to shake my head at the naiveté of the folks here who think that shutting down the government is a *good* thing. It costs MONEY to mothball significant portions of the federal government, and then remobilize them again later; in the billions of dollars, I would think.

    Government spending is a component of GDP, so every government dollar that would've been spent but is now sitting idle, thanks to the shutdown, is one less dollar of GDP growth. In real human terms, this is the many contractors and vendors who just had their government contracts and purchases deferred (or canceled). Truly, "money is like manure, of very little use except it be spread." There is also a multiplier-effect to slashing government spending via the shutdown. Hundreds of thousands of government employees just got furloughed, so their discretionary spending likely just took a nosedive (consumer spending is the largest component of GDP).

    Taken together, you begin to see the impact on individuals and the economy that the shutdown will have; and this is small potatoes compared to what will happen if the same kind of shenanigans ensue with the debt ceiling.

  • SG in SLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    I have to shake my head at the naiveté of the folks here who think that shutting down the government is a *good* thing. It costs MONEY to mothball significant portions of the federal government, and then remobilize them again later; in the billions of dollars, I would think.

    Government spending is a component of GDP, so every government dollar that would've been spent but is now sitting idle, thanks to the shutdown, is one less dollar of GDP growth. In real human terms, this is the many contractors and vendors who just had their government contracts and purchases deferred (or canceled). Truly, "money is like manure, of very little use except it be spread." There is also a multiplier-effect to slashing government spending via the shutdown. Hundreds of thousands of government employees just got furloughed, so their discretionary spending likely just took a nosedive (consumer spending is the largest component of GDP).

    Taken together, you begin to see the impact on individuals and the economy that the shutdown will have; and this is small potatoes compared to what will happen if the same kind of shenanigans ensue with the debt ceiling.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 2:33 p.m.

    @worf

    "It's already happening. Over half our people are fed, and dependent on the feds."

    Sources, please.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 1, 2013 1:54 p.m.

    Obama Care will drain Americas money supply, and leave us totally dependent on government for survival. Most all, will be at the same low level of lifestyle and call it fair.

    It's already happening. Over half our people are fed, and dependent on the feds.

  • lehiaggie Lehi, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 12:52 p.m.

    This new approach championed by one of our own (Lee) has frankly embarrassed me as a voting republican. The Health Care Act is law. Why not put energy into amending and correcting and improving instead of holding the people of America hostage to get what you want.

  • bindependent Trabuco Canyon, CA
    Oct. 1, 2013 12:18 p.m.

    This is the best thing that could happen for our great country. First of all, our government hypocrite's can't do any more damage to our country. (at least for a while) Second, our national debt will not increase to fund Obamacare.
    I hope they stay shut down for a while.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Oct. 1, 2013 12:08 p.m.

    It is interesting to see the liberals all blame the Republicans for the shutdown when the Democrats in the Senate and Obama himself are equally to blame, if not more. If the Democrats in the Senate had accepted the House's proposal on Friday, this would have been avoided.

    Now, we have Harry Reid saying that he won't even compormise or send people to work out a deal. The House is doing its job (for once) and is representing the will of the people who say that Obamacare is a mess and needs to be reconsidered. The Senate is ignoring the will of the people and is acting purely out of political motives.

    I don't see this ending quickly unless the press can spin it so that Obama looks like a hero.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    @atl134

    "Other polls.....like CNN polls" Of course CNN polls are going to show the Repubs at fault. The poll I used was from the Washington Post. It tried to show the Repubs as the bad guy, but they forgot about math.

    Painted in a corner, Boehner? To be honest, I don't care if he is or not. The Repubs wont win this anyway, even if it does make sense. Which is why I said, give the whiny libs what they want, explain to them and the public that they flat out own it. And if for some reason it works. Then the better for all of us, right? If not, they wear the shame and should own it and wear it for years to come. But they will try to blame the right like usual.

    "Spreading lies about the program" And I quote Nancy Pelosi - "We have to pass it to see what's inside" - Um who's lying? It started with a lie, and that was your left. You guys will never live that one down.

    Repubs dont care? Now that is a lie, the repubs just say own it to uninsured. Problem solved.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 11:44 a.m.

    LDS Liberal 10:23 a.m

    Re: "Isn't a Government Shut-down, or better yet -- NO Government at all -- what these uber-Conservative Tea-Partiers have based their ideology anyway"?

    No...
    You keep saying this, but that doesn't make it true. Tea Party people don't want "NO Government". They want "SMALLER Government" (and so did our founding fathers who wrote our constitution).

    If you can show me ONE STATEMENT from any Tea Party person in print that they want "NO Government" (and site your source)... I'd love to see it. If not... why not just quit pretending to speak for tea party people and setting up strawman statements the have never made?

    Show me where Tea Party people have said they want "NO Government" please.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Oct. 1, 2013 11:43 a.m.

    Shutdowns happened multiple times under Reagan and they were hardly gloom and doom scenarios. Day 1 of the shutdown the stock markets are GAINING.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 11:29 a.m.

    JoeBlow,
    Re: Your claim that the US Dept of Defense is the largest employer in the WORLD...

    I don't know if they are the worlds biggest employer, but they for sure don't even have the biggest budget (in the US Federal budget). They come in 3rd.

    Google "2013 US Federal Budget Pie Chart"...
    Healthcare 26%
    Pensions 25%
    Defense 22%
    Welfare 10%
    Interest 6%
    Education 4%
    Transportation 2%

    What's interesting is... we allocate more $$$ to Healthcare and Pensions than we do to Defense.

    Also interesting is... we only spend 2% of our budget on roads/transportation/etc. And only 4% on Education. That's atrocious.

    But if it's true that the Dept of Defense is the worlds largest employer... at least they do it on less $$$ than we give to Healthcare and Pensions.

  • rpm9 Lehi, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 11:20 a.m.

    Why is it that national parks must close? I don't see the connection. National Parks are public land, just like national forests. National forests won't be closed. You can still hike the National Forest trail to the top of Timpanogos. So why is it that people can't enter Arches or Bryce and walk the trails? We don't have to have federal employees on-site in national forests, why must they be on-site in national parks?

  • Bruce A. Frank San Jose, CA
    Oct. 1, 2013 11:00 a.m.

    I am surprised that some think the TEA party has an "extreme right wing agenda." The TEA party stands for one concept: LOWER TAXES and the accompanying smaller, less intrusive government that is engendered by that concept.

    Does anyone think the Federal Government has the power under the Constitution to force its citizenry to buy a product? It is not like a state requiring car insurance, as you do not have to buy a car. You have choices as to what transportation you choose or state to move to, to avoid its cost.

    But if you like the customized health insurance policy you have now, you CAN NOT not keep it. If you have enough money saved to pay your doctor out of pocket so need no insurance, you will be fined. If you have no insurance because you don't want it or can't afford it, you will be fined and eventually FORCED to carry insurance. The cost to you of a policy designed by Obamacare is right now or will be soon 2 to 4 times what it was before the MANDATORY Obamacare policy. The TEA Party is the ONLY one trying to stop this illegal law!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 10:59 a.m.

    @UtahBruin
    Other polls put more blame on Republicans than Democrats like the CNN poll. Painted in a corner... must be what Boehner feels.

    We don't need a sunset clause. If the system isn't working then it can just be repealed or adjusted. Republicans have no interest in making things work though, they just want to destroy it. You say people are already confused; well that's largely your sides' fault for spreading lies about the program.

    Republicans don't care about the uninsured, or those who are under furlough. They just hate Obama.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 10:53 a.m.

    Conservatives win with government shut down, the GOP dreams of a Tuesday through Thursday work week, which is what they had before 2006.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 10:52 a.m.

    @atl134

    "So yeah... who exactly wants this gov't shutdown again?"

    In a poll released last night, it was talking about who to blame.

    Republicans 42%
    Democrats 39%
    Obama 13%
    Undecided 6%

    I guess the numbers don't lie. That is 52% who blame the Democrats. The last time I checked, Obama was a democrat and sides with the senate and visa versa.

    So who wants the shutdown? 52% of Americans think the Democrats.

    The Health Care plan won't work, it just started today and people are already confused. There is not decrease in rates that were promised. According to media reports, given in an interview with Harry Reid. Example: Of $2000 dollars spent on insurance, $1000 goes to covering the uninsureds bills they walked from. They said it would still be the same.

    I say go ahead and give the Democrats what they want with a Sunset Clause, if the program is not what it is cracked up to be in a year. It goes away. How about that. If you and others are so certain it will work, then why not agree to that.

    Feeling painted in a corner are you?

  • viejogeezer CARLSBAD, CA
    Oct. 1, 2013 10:47 a.m.

    It seems to me that if the Republicans really thought the ACA was a "train wreck" they would stop fighting it and let it fail so they could hang the failure around Democrats necks in 2014. Could it be that they are really afraid it will succeed and be really popular, like Social Security and Medicare, both of which they fought tooth and nail. Remember the tea party signs during the health care town halls "KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF MY MEDICARE". Canadian health care costs less than one half what ours does per capita and 91% of Canadians prefer it to our system. In Ted Cruz's "Green eggs and ham" speech he admitted that his greatest fear was that ACA would be a success and most Americans would become addicted to it.

  • BYUtah Fan Herriman, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 10:36 a.m.

    This is an interesting exercise in democracy. Obamacare was passed without a single republican vote and employed a legislative sleight of hand to get through. All the polls showed that the people were against it. That action infuriated republicans and spawned the tea party movement. Now the republicans in the house are using the same tactics that the democrats used to pass Obamacare to try to defeat it. The lesson to be learned is that a majority party cannot simply ride roughshod over the concerns of a minority party. Otherwise, when that minority gains power they will exercise the same slash and burn tactics employed against them. "My way or the highway" often simply leads over a cliff.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 10:35 a.m.

    From a Rasmussen Reports poll that found 47% support a shutdown as opposed to 46% who oppose a shutdown.

    "Republicans continue to strongly support a shutdown for spending cuts in general and ones specifically aimed at the health care law. Democrats are nearly as strongly opposed. "

    So yeah... who exactly wants this gov't shutdown again?

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 10:27 a.m.

    I hate that it even got to this point of shutdown. But it's stunning to me that we're mad about the result. We elected these people and then reelected them, we brought this on ourselves. Mr. Obama has done nothing but polarize the Congress and the nation. It's time we realize that we've got to right the ship, get our spending and deficits under control and actually help the economy grow. Before comprehensive health care we needed to shore up Social Security and Medicaid/Medicare. Stunning to me that we leave those programs fighting a losing battle and then we add to the mess with more govt funded programs. What a shame that we've let things slide like we have.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    Isn't a Government Shut-down, or better yet -- NO Government at all -- what these uber-Conservative Tea-Partiers have based their ideology anyway?

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Oct. 1, 2013 10:19 a.m.

    wazzup,

    "All you who point fingers at the GOP, what is wrong with these two changes with the ACA?"
    ______________________________

    It's fairly obvious to me that this more than an attempt to delay the individual mandate for a year. It's part of an overall strategy to kill the ACA before it can be implemented.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Oct. 1, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    "Politicians and their staff should not be exempt from ACA"

    Please do some research. They are NOT exempt.

    The GOP inserted and amendment remove the health care subsidy that they had been receiving for years and years. That would be like congress passing a law that says that YOUR employer can no longer subsidize YOUR health care.

    It is effectively a paycut. It was done for purely partisan reasons.

    Congress is not exempt from the ACA. Nor are their staff. Many large employers pay a part of their employees health care. The GOP went out of their way, and changed the long standing rules, in an effort to make the ACA look bad.

    Pure partisan politics. At least take the time to understand what you are ranting about.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Oct. 1, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    The Tea Party Rethuglicons have been writing this script for years. It has continued in "re write" to become more and more troublesome as their hatred of our President who represents a minority....
    Ultra Conservative Republicans never, in a thousand years, in their wildest dreams, imagined America being led by a Negro male. It did not matter his upbringing, his education, or any other beneficial laws or policies President Obama would implement.
    The day after President Obama was elected, these Republicans met and constructed their plan of our President's destruction.
    Someday these people will have to discuss this truth with their God.

  • Anti Government Alpine, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    Comical.

    These hired liberal activist "posters" wink wink posing as average random people want to make me throw up.

    Our government shutting down so they can do less damage? Sounds like a great idea to me. Alot of our problems are easily traceable directly back to our government yet people seem blind to detect it.

    When will the average citizen wake up and realize they are just pawns in the politicians game for power and control? And that goes for both sides jut one side more than the other.

    Instead many mindless sheep allow the politicians to divide us and as a result we have been conquered.

    What a shame.

    Only a fool would believe the unaffordable care act was designed to actually help the average citizen. If it was why are democrats trying to exempt themselves from it? Seriously, why? It achieves the objective of more government involvement in your life and presenting a public "perception" that a politician is doing something for you. That is when you ought to be scared. Nothing but an attempt to buy votes with citizens money (actually the national debt/credit card).

    Wake up people.

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 9:35 a.m.

    I see nothing extreme in Lee's or Chaffetz' positions to follow the Constitution, lessen government's size and incursion into individual liberty, to take on the often corrupt establishment in Washington, and to decrease spending and the enormous national debt. They are men of principle and have the courage to face the heat.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 9:33 a.m.

    The loudest and most vocal people in America who want to limit and destroy our national government are businessmen. Yet it is businessmen who will lose their profits when it happens. Only those who can pick up their chips and move to a new game will survive.

    As for people many will not survive, but that’s OK because P.T. was only partially right, there’s many more than one born every minute.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 9:28 a.m.

    To shout shut it down and describe how frustrated you are as set forth above, and then to blame it on others indicates that the tea party cannot govern, only force and demand.

  • JLFuller Boise, ID
    Oct. 1, 2013 9:21 a.m.

    Everyone has a goose getting cooked in this government story whether the newsies include them or not. Our government is so wasteful that we are on the verge of collapsing due to our debt and the fact that one guy's goose is in the pot or not is irrelevant. He is a big boy and quite capable of moving on like so many millions of other Americans must do.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 9:19 a.m.

    I agree with Hatch and the rest of the Republicans.

    The Affordable Care Act is definitely not something that the American people want.

    If you're one of the millions of people in this country without health care or who have gone bankrupt because of medical bills, that's too bad.
    Not my problem, I have health care through my employer, and I don't care about the rest of you.

    ...sure hope I never lose my job....

    The Republicans have offered many many alternatives to the Affordable Care Act.
    They have so many new ideas about the health care crisis in this country, and the Democrats just won't listen.
    Just watch Fox News if you won't believe me.

    Our Senators and Congressmen have unlimited access to awesome health care benefits, why would anybody else need health care?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 9:16 a.m.

    We hate government so much here that everyone should be turning cartwheels, and the entire exercise was caused by 'the party' for which everyone votes here.

  • wazzup Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 9:07 a.m.

    All you who point fingers at the GOP, what is wrong with these two changes with the ACA? these are the two provisions they left on the table which Harry Reid and Obama refused to accept and thus shut down the government (which is no big deal......at least to me).

    1. Politicians and their staff should not be exempt from ACA. Why shouldn't they live under the same rules they passed for everyone else? BTW......it was because of bribing two Senators did this ACA pass (Nebraska and Louisiana). Isn't it funny that the Senator from Nebraska retired as did the chief architect, Baucus. they don't want to be within 10 feet of this monstrosity.

    2. Delay was given to businesses. Why not extend it to the citizens?

    Those were the two modifications the GOP wanted. Are these really worth shutting the government down. Apparently the Senate Dems and Obama think so even though those two changes have huge support (~80%) from the public.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    Joe Capitalist Obama has done more to enforce immigration laws and deported more illegals than Bush. To those who think the shutdown is no big deal I say really. How many of you know someone on social security or who work at Hill Air Force Base or the IRS. Should we shut down the FBI, bureau of prisons, coast guard, homeland security, send the air traffic controllers home. People come from all over the world to visit our national parks and monuments. How much of Utah's economy is dependent on tourism. It is a big deal. The stock has been down lately. How much of that is due to the situation in Washington. I suspect it has a lot to do with it. This government shutdown is affecting my retirement savings.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 8:53 a.m.

    Frustrated?

    repub voters got exactly what repub candidates promised.

    repub candidates elected in 2010 and 2012 promised to shut down government.

    "seasoned" repub senators and reps went right along with the 2010/2012 newbies.

    The "shutdown" was planned and executed by repubs.

  • Samson01 S. Jordan, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    Couple of notes:

    Year President #ofEmployees

    1962 (Kennedy) 2.48 million
    1964 (Johnson) 2.47 million
    1970 (Nixon) 2.94 million
    1975 (Ford) 2.84 million
    1978 (Carter) 2.87 million
    1982 (Reagan) 2.77 million
    1990 (Bush) 3.06 million
    1994 (Clinton) 2.90 million
    2002 (Bush) 2.63 million
    2010 (Obama) 2.65 million

    While the comparison to Reagan is lame, the bottom line is that Obama has increased the number of federal workers. I offer no condemnation one way or the other. There has been an effort by both parties to reduce the number of federal workers.

    Re:Makid -

    This bears repeating - The only bipartisan effort concerning the ACA was its opposition. I know that many posters like to advance the idea that this was a Republican plan but you are wrong. Not one Republican voted for this monstrosity. When the Republicans were in control of the presidency and the houses, this plan was NOT advanced. The fact that Romney signed it into law in Mass. did not make it a Republican effort. A Republican in Mass. is as influential as a Democrat in Utah.

    Context matters.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 8:45 a.m.

    I have to laugh at Obama and other far-left liberals who insist that congress is not doing its job when it proposes defunding a "law of the land". They act like it is criminal to try and cut funding for something that was passed and signed into law.

    Perhaps they would have a leg to stand on if the president took that approach when it came to ENFORCING the "laws of the land". Instead he thinks he can pick and choose which laws he will enforce and which ones he will not. When it comes to our country's immigration laws, the Defence of Marriage Act, federal drug laws, the second ammendment, voter ID laws, and other "states rights" laws granted by the constitution, he blatently says "I don't like that law so I won't enforce it".

    How is that different than congress saying "I don't like that law so I won't fund it"?

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Oct. 1, 2013 8:36 a.m.

    A potentially defining moment whether the President beats back an insurrectionist power play or the right wing succeeds in getting what they couldn't win at the ballot box. This is the stuff history is often made of.

  • Samson01 S. Jordan, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 8:34 a.m.

    "The Democratic response has been consistent and proactive."

    Thanks for the morning humor!

  • IdahoStranger NEWDALE, ID
    Oct. 1, 2013 8:32 a.m.

    "Do you know who the largest employer in the WORLD is?

    That would be the US Dept of Defense. Are you willing to cut that?"

    Of Course!

    We need to close our overseas bases, bring our troops home, quit meddling in other countries affairs and stop being the world's policemen. We have our own borders to defend and we can do
    much more cheaply. The defense dept has become a scared cow but we have not won a war since we created it vs the old War Dept. Not only are we losing the wars overseas, but we are also loosing the war here. The invasion continues!

    Is there waste, fraud and abuse in the Dept of Defense? Of course there is. We need to make some serious cuts there as well.
    Less government! That is what we need.

    The US House controls the purse strings of our nation and our elected reps who voted to stop the "train wreck of Obamacare" deserve our thanks and support. If they won't stop spending, cut off the money!

    We have a chance to fix this in the 2014 election. Google "Online Freedom Index" to see how they voted.

  • Area 52 Tooele, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 8:32 a.m.

    I’m one of those 800,000 civilians who will be furloughed during this Shutdown. I have a family of four to take care of and I’m definitely not blaming the Tea Party on this. The Progressives and Socialists in this country are ones to blame.

  • PHQ Sandy, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 8:24 a.m.

    WE usually kick bullies out of school. Too bad we can not easily kick them out of there office as easily

  • E & EE Ann arbor, MI
    Oct. 1, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    The headline should read "Some Utahns frustrated by federal government shutdown."

  • RSLfanalways West Valley, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 8:20 a.m.

    Let the states take over the national parks, and let the government stay lean. I think this is good by keeping the government in shutdown. The economy will go up if investors know that the government is being more efficient. It will just take time which I am fine with.

  • Makid Kearns, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 8:19 a.m.

    No One Of Consequence:

    "The President and congressional democrats could have proposed honest health care reform instead of the unfolding disaster of the Un-Affordable Care Act.

    The pain that will be felt in Utah and across the country is nothing compared to what will ensue as the ACA unfolds."

    I know, I can't believe them either. Going with a Republican plan instead of what they really wanted - Single Payer.

    I will say this. As it is a Republican plan that was passed, does this mean that most if not all Republican plans are bad and a detriment to the Country? So far, everything the Republicans have done has been against the Country.

    They won't allow a conference on the budget - even though 1 has passed the House and the Senate. Because there are differences, a conference must happen. Why won't they let it happen? Because they are acting like babies? Nope, they are interested in only 1 thing. Destroying the Country to remove the black man from the White House.

    If you don't believe me, just look at the voting by Republicans since the 2008 Election.

  • FrankSegesman ,
    Oct. 1, 2013 8:00 a.m.

    "Utahns frustrated by federal government shutdown"

    Wrong.

    Utahns are THRILLED by Senator Reid's federal government shutdown!

  • Area 52 Tooele, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 7:55 a.m.

    How can you blame the Tea party on this? They are the minority of the Republican wing. The Tea party sees the big picture in this whole issue. The Government has gotten too BIG and out of control. When the Government is the largest employer in the Unites States that is a sure sign we have a problem. Do we really want to endup looking like China, N. Korea, Cuba, the old Soviet Union and others? It's time to wake-up America!

  • shadow01 ,
    Oct. 1, 2013 7:53 a.m.

    @RedneckLefty
    So I suppose that we are to continue to let Demaholics have their way in their eagerness to transform the United States into a Socialist Nation.
    I probably wouldn't really have minded a little health system overhaul if it was done by responsible people. But no, we had to pass it first and then find out what was in it as those idiots Pilosi and Reed were want to do.
    So now the Demaholics demand a compromise to keep the government running. I don't think they really understand what compromise is. Compromise involves two sides coming to a middle point that each can live with. It is not one side telling the other to completely throw in the towel and give up on their principles without budging an inch.

  • klangton Akiachak, AK
    Oct. 1, 2013 7:53 a.m.

    You may be a republican. You may be a democrat. You may hate or like Obamacare. But you may not shut down the government of the United States of America. Period.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Oct. 1, 2013 7:53 a.m.

    "The government under Obama has grown by hundreds of thousands of employees which is partially but directly indicative of the problem of over-spending by government. Obamacare alone is adding tens of thousands of NEW regulations"

    Actually, Bruce, the Federal Government employs LESS non-military people than it did under Reagan.

    So, please check your facts. They are wrong.

    And, you claim that "Obamacare alone is adding tens of thousand of NEW regulations". That is just plain wrong.

  • Itsjstmeagain Merritt Island, Fl
    Oct. 1, 2013 7:52 a.m.

    If the Republicans do not like ACA, the train has left the station. This is NOT the venue to impose your will on the American people. This is a Continuing Resolution Authority, which authorizes the Govt to continue operating fixed at last years budget until a new budget is passed. This is a simple financial act that covers the operation until someone gets off their butts and passes a budget.
    If you want to somehow damage or kill ACA, there is a process outlined in the Constitution (remember that?) to repeal it. At the next legislative session of the full Congress, you will need more than a simple majority vote, and the States will need to ratify it. Why start this action now? Once ACA is launched, it will much too popular to repeal.
    Remember the anarchists next fall, and the people with no spine to disagree with the thugs.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 7:46 a.m.

    Republicans have overplayed their hand on this one. The Democratic response has been consistent and proactive. If Mike Lee and Ted Cruz continues with their rude tirades and won't work to resolve the issues they will deserve to be blamed as the main culprits in this fiasco along with John Boehner. Ted Cruz has backed off though and is letting Boehner take the lead which will likely lead people to see them as too rigid and extreme to comprise on a very dumb idea to delay a law that is long, long overdue. I'm delighted to say this but President Obama is actually going to come out of this a superstar and a leader. He has guts and that's what we need.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Oct. 1, 2013 7:40 a.m.

    "Would it be insensitive of me to suggest that those complaining about the shut down who are actually employed by the Federal government, consider looking for a job in the private sector? "

    Do you know who the largest employer in the WORLD is?

    That would be the US Dept of Defense. Are you willing to cut that?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 7:36 a.m.

    The "government shutdown" is no big deal. Public employees cry for the cameras, but they know it's just an extra vacation day. It's happened numerous times when Congress couldn't agree, and they always pay everybody retroactively when the decision was made. You watch... every non-essential public employee will get paid in the end (even for days they didn't work).

    While government shutdown isn't a big deal, I agree that Republicans need to give up. They stood on principle, now it's time to get out of the way and say, "We tried... enjoy ObamaCare America". And let the people decide if they like it. I think it's going to be a train wreck. But sometimes you have to let the train wreck to prove to the faster-faster people that it was going too fast to make the corner.

    I think ObamaCare was DESIGNED TO FAIL. Politicians know it's political suicide to take anybody's healthcare away... so what option do you have now? Keep electing Democrats who keep promising to take care of you. And eventually you will have Socialized Medicine (which WILL be better than ObamaCare).

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    Oct. 1, 2013 7:13 a.m.

    The problem with government and every other organization run by people is that there are too many egotistical "know-it-alls" who refuse to see it my way.

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 7:12 a.m.

    I would cheer the shutdown if it meant that we were finally getting serious about the budget deficit. We have not had a budget for 5 years. We borrow 40% of everything we spend. We are racing toward a giant train wreck and the only difference between Obama and most Republicans is the speed of the train. We are destroying our children's future because we all want the government to take care of us. To paraphrase Cicerco, any governmnent is doomed to fail when the citizens realize that they can vote themselves benefits. Now where can I get me an Obama phone.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 7:12 a.m.

    I really don't think that the vast majority of people in the nation will be concerned at all about this government shutdown. In fact, they won't even notice. Everyone is pointing the finger as to who fault it is, but the bottom line is that Barack Obama has shown once again his inability to lead this nation. The rank hypocrisy he has shown about blaming Congress for not passing a budget when Senate Democrats and Obama did not pass a budget for five years shows his petulance and total lack of any discernible leadership skills. Now, he insists on a budget but will not even allow the Democrats to go to conference committee with House Republicans to hammer out their differences. This is nothing more than a rank, political move to try to destroy tea party members of Congress, at least he hopes so. I don't think this will play well for the Democratic party. The American public, despite the low information voter, will see through this charade and realize how lacking in character their President really is.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 7:12 a.m.

    The tea party sees they're losing the game, so they've decided to blow up the stadium.

  • Lolly Lehi, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 7:09 a.m.

    The blame should end in President Obama's office. Perhaps he will surpass President Carter as being the most enept President ever. No matter what the Congress does, Obama has the last say and he can't seem to be able to negotiate with the Congress. See how quickly the threats of war with Syria ended when he couldn't get Congress support. He jumped into it without checking with Congress. He has changed the Presidency as the third branch of government. His way or no way.

  • Something to think about Ogden, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 7:07 a.m.

    Well, Senator Lee... You got what you wanted. You've 'cut spending'. With the government shut-down we'll save millions.

    I just hope the families who lost income live outside of Utah. That way you can still get re-elected. Oh wait, you're Republican. That's all that matters here.

  • Area 52 Tooele, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 7:03 a.m.

    Pres. Obama takes 100% responsibility for this debacle. He is unwilling to compromise with conservatives and only cares about pushing his agenda. He is totally inept and has NO ounce of integrity. I sure hope this is a wakeup call for America and those people who think it doesn’t matter who we put into the Oval office!

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Oct. 1, 2013 6:59 a.m.

    Shut it down, and when you start it back up, forget about 90% of it.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 6:54 a.m.

    "I do know that we're likely to blamed for it even though the Democrats are the ones who are really shutting the government down," he said.

    Don't be daft, Orrin. You're party IS responsible. If you don't like the law, you change it through legislation, not refusing to fund it.

    Republicans are definitely the source of this shutdown and you can bet that Americans know it full well.

  • Reader Sandy, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 6:30 a.m.

    I think President Obama is a weak leader, but I also believe the Tea Party is killing the Republican Party with its extreme right wing agenda.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 6:28 a.m.

    Blame the American people. Most of us don't want the proffered health care system. Most of us, of either party or none, are also ticked off at the waivers granted to congressmen, union workers and big corporations. How to stop the juggernaut? Only one way at this point apparently; don't fund it.

    Blame a wise system of checks and balances. This system will not allow a president, a Senate, or a House to have it all their own way. When the first two dig in their heels and refuse meaningful discussion the third also digs in its heels.

  • davidmpark Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 6:19 a.m.

    This Federal partial shutdown is enough proof that Utah is far too dependent and is under too much control from the Feds. Over 70% of our land is Fed owned, and all of it Fed controlled. I would even go so far as to say the Feds conquered Utah in the 1870's, and we remain conquered today. Far too many here make their wealth from the Feds; not just the welfare recipients - the bureaucrats who make $50,000 + benefits more than the handicapped person who is forced into abject poverty.

    We need self-reliance - not whining that big daddy won't shell out the cash.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 6:15 a.m.

    I'm sorry, but I really don't want to hear about Utahns being frustrated with the shutdown. Utah elected four Congressmen who are strong supporters of this childish extortion attempt. And Utah will re-elect them or more just like them. Utah is getting exactly what it asked for. What a deep, deep shame.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 6:02 a.m.

    How can the tea party force its will without inflicting pain. Elections and our system of government don't work for them.

  • DaveRL OGDEN, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 5:46 a.m.

    Governor Herbert be sure to thank Senator Lee & Congressman Chaffetz for the shut down.

  • Bruce A. Frank San Jose, CA
    Oct. 1, 2013 5:29 a.m.

    Would it be insensitive of me to suggest that those complaining about the shut down who are actually employed by the Federal government, consider looking for a job in the private sector? Truly, how does this differ from a Union strike where people may go for weeks without pay to get benefits they think they deserve?

    The government under Obama has grown by hundreds of thousands of employees which is partially but directly indicative of the problem of over-spending by government. Obamacare alone is adding tens of thousands of NEW regulations and exorbitant tax increases and actual fines if we don't buy the mandated insurance. The cost to the taxpayer runs into the trillions.

    My only question about the shutdown is, how long before the legislators' paychecks are cut and THEY start looking for jobs which don't require sucking the blood from the taxpayer's necks. BTW, do you really believe it is a health care program when doctors quit and 16 thousand new IRS agents are hired?

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 5:10 a.m.

    No, we're frustrated over everything promoted by Obama and Henchman Harry.

  • Ricardo Carvalho Provo, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 4:39 a.m.

    I tend to vote Republican in many races and on most issues. Having said that, I am deeply disappointed in my representation for their obstruction of forward-looking government. You come across as sore losers when we need real statesmen and women.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Oct. 1, 2013 4:35 a.m.

    Last month, my spouse and I charged some new furniture for the living room. Then we went to the movies (charged also). My cell phone and cable bills also are paid thru the credit card.

    This month, the bill came and she handed it to me to be paid.
    I refused to pay it unless she dyed her hair red and lost 25 pounds.

    I just might be GOP material after all.

  • IMAPatriot2 PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 3:25 a.m.

    I have a wild idea. Why not leave the government shut down in place until the national debt is paid off? That would benefit all of us and have little impact on anyone but those who collect fat government salaries. I'll bet we could get volunteers to do the work necessary to keep the "national" parks and monuments open.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 2:53 a.m.

    Its about time this shutdown and it be enforced. What we see by this DN confession is thet Utah has its share of federal pork and over draft spending of federal funds. Americans will sacrifice and give up freebies we don't want or need.

    This shutdown is cutting off non essential governemnt funds. And as the list shows, we have more than our share of federal waste to shut down.

    Even Romney has finally come on line and admitted that the ACA health care is broken spending and it does include the Utah exchange system as part of the Obama care meltdown. Romany agrees that socialized health care is not doable or logical and non sustainable.

    Anyone hoping to sign on to the ACA will find it hard to do, none of the insurance companies can do it yet. Utah is offering its fraudulent program in an illegal attempt to keep Obamacare alive.

    Federal or state health care are not sustainable and Utah cannot deny the elderly and those entitled by age to any health care under medicaid or medicare. Medicaid and Medicare are independent trust funds not affected by the shutdown of government waste.

  • DistantThunder Vincentown, NJ
    Oct. 1, 2013 1:56 a.m.

    Wow - keeping the parks closed through "Oct. 1" will cost 1 billion dollars? For one day? So much angst shows we are much too dependent on the federal government. It makes no sense to send tax money to the Feds, let them take a big cut, and then expect to get more back. It's an extortion system of epic proportions. We are in an abusive relationship with our government.

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 12:59 a.m.

    Yes, there will be an impact, but when will voters across the nation demand dems and repubs to put the country before the party and act responsibly? NOTE: Harry Reid and the Democrat Senate refuse to compromise. The Republicans in the House have offered more than one solution, and Harry said "No way" because he thinks he can blame Republicans for the shutdown. The media blames repubs and does not report that dems flat out refuse to compromise. Plus the Senate has not presented a budget for several years!

  • The Hammer lehi, utah
    Oct. 1, 2013 12:36 a.m.

    Democrats are likely to overplay their hand on this one. The republican response has been consistent and proactive. If Harry Reid continues with his rude tirades and doesn't work to resolve the issues he will likely be blamed as the main culprit in this fiasco along with the president and Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz has backed off though and is letting Boehner take the lead which will likely lead people to see the president and Harry as too rigid and extreme to comprise on a very practical idea to delay a law that is just not ready for prime time. I'm astounded to say this but Ted Cruz is actually going to come out of this a superstar and a leader. I don't like him but he has guts and thats what we need.

  • RedneckLefty St. George, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 11:38 p.m.

    Shame on Lee and Chaffetz for their rank dishonesty. The Constitution says that laws become laws when they pass through the legislative, executive, and judicial branches. There's no mention of this fourth "do-over" branch of government that Chaffetz and Lee seem to think exists in the budget-approval process.

    Can you imagine the chaotic precedent the Republicans are trying to set? No matter if legislation is voted in by the house and senate, signed into law by the president, and declared constitutional by the supreme course, if you don't like it, just stamp your feet and throw a tantrum until you get your way. Is this the way laws are supposed to be made in the USA now? Do we need to update that Schoolhouse Rock cartoon about how a bill is made into law, to reflect this new "rightwing do-over tantrum" stage of legislative deliberation?

    It's like a kid freaking out in a grocery store over a piece of candy, hoping mom will finally just cave out of embarrassment and give in.

  • No One Of Consequence West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 11:29 p.m.

    "Boehner, R-Ohio, could have proposed a straight funding bill in the House, which would pass with bipartisan support, Matheson said."

    The President and congressional democrats could have proposed honest health care reform instead of the unfolding disaster of the Un-Affordable Care Act.

    The pain that will be felt in Utah and across the country is nothing compared to what will ensue as the ACA unfolds.

  • ParkCityAggie Park City, Ut
    Sept. 30, 2013 11:13 p.m.

    Many, if not most of the tea party candidates ran in 2010 with the promise of "shutting down the government." Don't take my word for it, research yourself if you don't believe me. And it looks like they made good on that promise. Now what did it gain them? Good question, it would have been easy to be responsible, even fiscally responsible and not let this happen. The last government shut down actually cost tax payers close to 2 billion dollars. This one should double that. Did they hurt Obama? No. Did they stop the affordable care act, which goes into full effect today? No. Did they prove to the vast majority of Americans how immature and inflexible they are? Likely.