Many, if not most of the tea party candidates ran in 2010 with the promise of
"shutting down the government." Don't take my word for it,
research yourself if you don't believe me. And it looks like they made
good on that promise. Now what did it gain them? Good question, it would have
been easy to be responsible, even fiscally responsible and not let this happen.
The last government shut down actually cost tax payers close to 2 billion
dollars. This one should double that. Did they hurt Obama? No. Did they stop
the affordable care act, which goes into full effect today? No. Did they prove
to the vast majority of Americans how immature and inflexible they are? Likely.
"Boehner, R-Ohio, could have proposed a straight funding bill in the House,
which would pass with bipartisan support, Matheson said."The
President and congressional democrats could have proposed honest health care
reform instead of the unfolding disaster of the Un-Affordable Care Act.The pain that will be felt in Utah and across the country is nothing compared
to what will ensue as the ACA unfolds.
Shame on Lee and Chaffetz for their rank dishonesty. The Constitution says that
laws become laws when they pass through the legislative, executive, and judicial
branches. There's no mention of this fourth "do-over" branch of
government that Chaffetz and Lee seem to think exists in the budget-approval
process.Can you imagine the chaotic precedent the Republicans are
trying to set? No matter if legislation is voted in by the house and senate,
signed into law by the president, and declared constitutional by the supreme
course, if you don't like it, just stamp your feet and throw a tantrum
until you get your way. Is this the way laws are supposed to be made in the USA
now? Do we need to update that Schoolhouse Rock cartoon about how a bill is made
into law, to reflect this new "rightwing do-over tantrum" stage of
legislative deliberation?It's like a kid freaking out in a
grocery store over a piece of candy, hoping mom will finally just cave out of
embarrassment and give in.
Democrats are likely to overplay their hand on this one. The republican
response has been consistent and proactive. If Harry Reid continues with his
rude tirades and doesn't work to resolve the issues he will likely be
blamed as the main culprit in this fiasco along with the president and Ted Cruz.
Ted Cruz has backed off though and is letting Boehner take the lead which will
likely lead people to see the president and Harry as too rigid and extreme to
comprise on a very practical idea to delay a law that is just not ready for
prime time. I'm astounded to say this but Ted Cruz is actually going to
come out of this a superstar and a leader. I don't like him but he has
guts and thats what we need.
Yes, there will be an impact, but when will voters across the nation demand dems
and repubs to put the country before the party and act responsibly? NOTE: Harry
Reid and the Democrat Senate refuse to compromise. The Republicans in the House
have offered more than one solution, and Harry said "No way" because he
thinks he can blame Republicans for the shutdown. The media blames repubs and
does not report that dems flat out refuse to compromise. Plus the Senate has not
presented a budget for several years!
Wow - keeping the parks closed through "Oct. 1" will cost 1 billion
dollars? For one day? So much angst shows we are much too dependent on the
federal government. It makes no sense to send tax money to the Feds, let them
take a big cut, and then expect to get more back. It's an extortion system
of epic proportions. We are in an abusive relationship with our government.
Its about time this shutdown and it be enforced. What we see by this DN
confession is thet Utah has its share of federal pork and over draft spending of
federal funds. Americans will sacrifice and give up freebies we don't want
or need.This shutdown is cutting off non essential governemnt funds.
And as the list shows, we have more than our share of federal waste to shut
down.Even Romney has finally come on line and admitted that the ACA
health care is broken spending and it does include the Utah exchange system as
part of the Obama care meltdown. Romany agrees that socialized health care is
not doable or logical and non sustainable.Anyone hoping to sign on
to the ACA will find it hard to do, none of the insurance companies can do it
yet. Utah is offering its fraudulent program in an illegal attempt to keep
Obamacare alive.Federal or state health care are not sustainable and
Utah cannot deny the elderly and those entitled by age to any health care under
medicaid or medicare. Medicaid and Medicare are independent trust funds not
affected by the shutdown of government waste.
I have a wild idea. Why not leave the government shut down in place until the
national debt is paid off? That would benefit all of us and have little impact
on anyone but those who collect fat government salaries. I'll bet we could
get volunteers to do the work necessary to keep the "national" parks and
Last month, my spouse and I charged some new furniture for the living room.
Then we went to the movies (charged also). My cell phone and cable bills also
are paid thru the credit card.This month, the bill came and she
handed it to me to be paid. I refused to pay it unless she dyed her hair
red and lost 25 pounds.I just might be GOP material after all.
I tend to vote Republican in many races and on most issues. Having said that, I
am deeply disappointed in my representation for their obstruction of
forward-looking government. You come across as sore losers when we need real
statesmen and women.
No, we're frustrated over everything promoted by Obama and Henchman Harry.
Would it be insensitive of me to suggest that those complaining about the shut
down who are actually employed by the Federal government, consider looking for a
job in the private sector? Truly, how does this differ from a Union strike where
people may go for weeks without pay to get benefits they think they deserve?The government under Obama has grown by hundreds of thousands of
employees which is partially but directly indicative of the problem of
over-spending by government. Obamacare alone is adding tens of thousands of NEW
regulations and exorbitant tax increases and actual fines if we don't buy
the mandated insurance. The cost to the taxpayer runs into the trillions.My only question about the shutdown is, how long before the
legislators' paychecks are cut and THEY start looking for jobs which
don't require sucking the blood from the taxpayer's necks. BTW, do you
really believe it is a health care program when doctors quit and 16 thousand new
IRS agents are hired?
Governor Herbert be sure to thank Senator Lee & Congressman Chaffetz for
the shut down.
How can the tea party force its will without inflicting pain. Elections and our
system of government don't work for them.
I'm sorry, but I really don't want to hear about Utahns being
frustrated with the shutdown. Utah elected four Congressmen who are strong
supporters of this childish extortion attempt. And Utah will re-elect them or
more just like them. Utah is getting exactly what it asked for. What a deep,
This Federal partial shutdown is enough proof that Utah is far too dependent and
is under too much control from the Feds. Over 70% of our land is Fed owned, and
all of it Fed controlled. I would even go so far as to say the Feds conquered
Utah in the 1870's, and we remain conquered today. Far too many here make
their wealth from the Feds; not just the welfare recipients - the bureaucrats
who make $50,000 + benefits more than the handicapped person who is forced into
abject poverty.We need self-reliance - not whining that big daddy
won't shell out the cash.
Blame the American people. Most of us don't want the proffered health care
system. Most of us, of either party or none, are also ticked off at the waivers
granted to congressmen, union workers and big corporations. How to stop the
juggernaut? Only one way at this point apparently; don't fund it.Blame a wise system of checks and balances. This system will not allow a
president, a Senate, or a House to have it all their own way. When the first
two dig in their heels and refuse meaningful discussion the third also digs in
I think President Obama is a weak leader, but I also believe the Tea Party is
killing the Republican Party with its extreme right wing agenda.
"I do know that we're likely to blamed for it even though the Democrats
are the ones who are really shutting the government down," he said.Don't be daft, Orrin. You're party IS responsible. If you
don't like the law, you change it through legislation, not refusing to fund
it.Republicans are definitely the source of this shutdown and you
can bet that Americans know it full well.
Shut it down, and when you start it back up, forget about 90% of it.
Pres. Obama takes 100% responsibility for this debacle. He is unwilling to
compromise with conservatives and only cares about pushing his agenda. He is
totally inept and has NO ounce of integrity. I sure hope this is a wakeup call
for America and those people who think it doesn’t matter who we put into
the Oval office!
Well, Senator Lee... You got what you wanted. You've 'cut
spending'. With the government shut-down we'll save millions.I just hope the families who lost income live outside of Utah. That way
you can still get re-elected. Oh wait, you're Republican. That's all
that matters here.
The blame should end in President Obama's office. Perhaps he will surpass
President Carter as being the most enept President ever. No matter what the
Congress does, Obama has the last say and he can't seem to be able to
negotiate with the Congress. See how quickly the threats of war with Syria ended
when he couldn't get Congress support. He jumped into it without checking
with Congress. He has changed the Presidency as the third branch of government.
His way or no way.
The tea party sees they're losing the game, so they've decided to blow
up the stadium.
I really don't think that the vast majority of people in the nation will be
concerned at all about this government shutdown. In fact, they won't even
notice. Everyone is pointing the finger as to who fault it is, but the bottom
line is that Barack Obama has shown once again his inability to lead this
nation. The rank hypocrisy he has shown about blaming Congress for not passing a
budget when Senate Democrats and Obama did not pass a budget for five years
shows his petulance and total lack of any discernible leadership skills. Now, he
insists on a budget but will not even allow the Democrats to go to conference
committee with House Republicans to hammer out their differences. This is
nothing more than a rank, political move to try to destroy tea party members of
Congress, at least he hopes so. I don't think this will play well for the
Democratic party. The American public, despite the low information voter, will
see through this charade and realize how lacking in character their President
I would cheer the shutdown if it meant that we were finally getting serious
about the budget deficit. We have not had a budget for 5 years. We borrow 40%
of everything we spend. We are racing toward a giant train wreck and the only
difference between Obama and most Republicans is the speed of the train. We are
destroying our children's future because we all want the government to take
care of us. To paraphrase Cicerco, any governmnent is doomed to fail when the
citizens realize that they can vote themselves benefits. Now where can I get me
an Obama phone.
The problem with government and every other organization run by people is that
there are too many egotistical "know-it-alls" who refuse to see it my
The "government shutdown" is no big deal. Public employees cry for the
cameras, but they know it's just an extra vacation day. It's
happened numerous times when Congress couldn't agree, and they always pay
everybody retroactively when the decision was made. You watch... every
non-essential public employee will get paid in the end (even for days they
didn't work).While government shutdown isn't a big deal, I
agree that Republicans need to give up. They stood on principle, now it's
time to get out of the way and say, "We tried... enjoy ObamaCare
America". And let the people decide if they like it. I think it's
going to be a train wreck. But sometimes you have to let the train wreck to
prove to the faster-faster people that it was going too fast to make the
corner.I think ObamaCare was DESIGNED TO FAIL. Politicians know
it's political suicide to take anybody's healthcare away... so what
option do you have now? Keep electing Democrats who keep promising to take
care of you. And eventually you will have Socialized Medicine (which WILL be
better than ObamaCare).
"Would it be insensitive of me to suggest that those complaining about the
shut down who are actually employed by the Federal government, consider looking
for a job in the private sector? "Do you know who the largest
employer in the WORLD is?That would be the US Dept of Defense. Are
you willing to cut that?
Republicans have overplayed their hand on this one. The Democratic response has
been consistent and proactive. If Mike Lee and Ted Cruz continues with their
rude tirades and won't work to resolve the issues they will deserve to be
blamed as the main culprits in this fiasco along with John Boehner. Ted Cruz has
backed off though and is letting Boehner take the lead which will likely lead
people to see them as too rigid and extreme to comprise on a very dumb idea to
delay a law that is long, long overdue. I'm delighted to say this but
President Obama is actually going to come out of this a superstar and a leader.
He has guts and that's what we need.
If the Republicans do not like ACA, the train has left the station. This is NOT
the venue to impose your will on the American people. This is a Continuing
Resolution Authority, which authorizes the Govt to continue operating fixed at
last years budget until a new budget is passed. This is a simple financial act
that covers the operation until someone gets off their butts and passes a
budget.If you want to somehow damage or kill ACA, there is a process
outlined in the Constitution (remember that?) to repeal it. At the next
legislative session of the full Congress, you will need more than a simple
majority vote, and the States will need to ratify it. Why start this action
now? Once ACA is launched, it will much too popular to repeal.Remember
the anarchists next fall, and the people with no spine to disagree with the
"The government under Obama has grown by hundreds of thousands of employees
which is partially but directly indicative of the problem of over-spending by
government. Obamacare alone is adding tens of thousands of NEW
regulations"Actually, Bruce, the Federal Government employs LESS
non-military people than it did under Reagan.So, please check your
facts. They are wrong.And, you claim that "Obamacare alone is
adding tens of thousand of NEW regulations". That is just plain wrong.
You may be a republican. You may be a democrat. You may hate or like Obamacare.
But you may not shut down the government of the United States of America.
@RedneckLeftySo I suppose that we are to continue to let Demaholics have
their way in their eagerness to transform the United States into a Socialist
Nation.I probably wouldn't really have minded a little health system
overhaul if it was done by responsible people. But no, we had to pass it first
and then find out what was in it as those idiots Pilosi and Reed were want to
do.So now the Demaholics demand a compromise to keep the government
running. I don't think they really understand what compromise is.
Compromise involves two sides coming to a middle point that each can live with.
It is not one side telling the other to completely throw in the towel and give
up on their principles without budging an inch.
How can you blame the Tea party on this? They are the minority of the Republican
wing. The Tea party sees the big picture in this whole issue. The Government
has gotten too BIG and out of control. When the Government is the largest
employer in the Unites States that is a sure sign we have a problem. Do we
really want to endup looking like China, N. Korea, Cuba, the old Soviet Union
and others? It's time to wake-up America!
"Utahns frustrated by federal government shutdown"Wrong.Utahns are THRILLED by Senator Reid's federal government shutdown!
No One Of Consequence:"The President and congressional democrats
could have proposed honest health care reform instead of the unfolding disaster
of the Un-Affordable Care Act.The pain that will be felt in Utah and
across the country is nothing compared to what will ensue as the ACA
unfolds."I know, I can't believe them either. Going with a
Republican plan instead of what they really wanted - Single Payer.I
will say this. As it is a Republican plan that was passed, does this mean that
most if not all Republican plans are bad and a detriment to the Country? So
far, everything the Republicans have done has been against the Country.They won't allow a conference on the budget - even though 1 has passed
the House and the Senate. Because there are differences, a conference must
happen. Why won't they let it happen? Because they are acting like
babies? Nope, they are interested in only 1 thing. Destroying the Country to
remove the black man from the White House.If you don't believe
me, just look at the voting by Republicans since the 2008 Election.
Let the states take over the national parks, and let the government stay lean. I
think this is good by keeping the government in shutdown. The economy will go up
if investors know that the government is being more efficient. It will just take
time which I am fine with.
The headline should read "Some Utahns frustrated by federal government
WE usually kick bullies out of school. Too bad we can not easily kick them out
of there office as easily
I’m one of those 800,000 civilians who will be furloughed during this
Shutdown. I have a family of four to take care of and I’m definitely not
blaming the Tea Party on this. The Progressives and Socialists in this country
are ones to blame.
"Do you know who the largest employer in the WORLD is?That would
be the US Dept of Defense. Are you willing to cut that?"Of
Course! We need to close our overseas bases, bring our troops home,
quit meddling in other countries affairs and stop being the world's
policemen. We have our own borders to defend and we can domuch more
cheaply. The defense dept has become a scared cow but we have not won a war
since we created it vs the old War Dept. Not only are we losing the wars
overseas, but we are also loosing the war here. The invasion continues! Is there waste, fraud and abuse in the Dept of Defense? Of course there
is. We need to make some serious cuts there as well. Less government!
That is what we need. The US House controls the purse strings of
our nation and our elected reps who voted to stop the "train wreck of
Obamacare" deserve our thanks and support. If they won't stop
spending, cut off the money! We have a chance to fix this in the
2014 election. Google "Online Freedom Index" to see how they voted.
"The Democratic response has been consistent and proactive."Thanks for the morning humor!
A potentially defining moment whether the President beats back an
insurrectionist power play or the right wing succeeds in getting what they
couldn't win at the ballot box. This is the stuff history is often made of.
I have to laugh at Obama and other far-left liberals who insist that congress is
not doing its job when it proposes defunding a "law of the land". They
act like it is criminal to try and cut funding for something that was passed and
signed into law.Perhaps they would have a leg to stand on if the
president took that approach when it came to ENFORCING the "laws of the
land". Instead he thinks he can pick and choose which laws he will enforce
and which ones he will not. When it comes to our country's immigration
laws, the Defence of Marriage Act, federal drug laws, the second ammendment,
voter ID laws, and other "states rights" laws granted by the
constitution, he blatently says "I don't like that law so I won't
enforce it".How is that different than congress saying "I
don't like that law so I won't fund it"?
Couple of notes:Year President #ofEmployees1962
(Kennedy) 2.48 million1964 (Johnson) 2.47 million1970 (Nixon) 2.94
million1975 (Ford) 2.84 million1978 (Carter) 2.87 million1982
(Reagan) 2.77 million1990 (Bush) 3.06 million1994 (Clinton) 2.90
million 2002 (Bush) 2.63 million2010 (Obama) 2.65 millionWhile the comparison to Reagan is lame, the bottom line is that Obama has
increased the number of federal workers. I offer no condemnation one way or the
other. There has been an effort by both parties to reduce the number of federal
workers.Re:Makid - This bears repeating - The only
bipartisan effort concerning the ACA was its opposition. I know that many
posters like to advance the idea that this was a Republican plan but you are
wrong. Not one Republican voted for this monstrosity. When the Republicans
were in control of the presidency and the houses, this plan was NOT advanced.
The fact that Romney signed it into law in Mass. did not make it a Republican
effort. A Republican in Mass. is as influential as a Democrat in Utah. Context matters.
Frustrated?repub voters got exactly what repub candidates
promised.repub candidates elected in 2010 and 2012 promised to shut
down government."seasoned" repub senators and reps went
right along with the 2010/2012 newbies.The "shutdown" was
planned and executed by repubs.
Joe Capitalist Obama has done more to enforce immigration laws and deported
more illegals than Bush. To those who think the shutdown is no big deal I say
really. How many of you know someone on social security or who work at Hill
Air Force Base or the IRS. Should we shut down the FBI, bureau of prisons,
coast guard, homeland security, send the air traffic controllers home. People
come from all over the world to visit our national parks and monuments. How
much of Utah's economy is dependent on tourism. It is a big deal. The
stock has been down lately. How much of that is due to the situation in
Washington. I suspect it has a lot to do with it. This government shutdown is
affecting my retirement savings.
All you who point fingers at the GOP, what is wrong with these two changes with
the ACA? these are the two provisions they left on the table which Harry Reid
and Obama refused to accept and thus shut down the government (which is no big
deal......at least to me). 1. Politicians and their staff should
not be exempt from ACA. Why shouldn't they live under the same rules they
passed for everyone else? BTW......it was because of bribing two Senators did
this ACA pass (Nebraska and Louisiana). Isn't it funny that the Senator
from Nebraska retired as did the chief architect, Baucus. they don't want
to be within 10 feet of this monstrosity. 2. Delay was given to
businesses. Why not extend it to the citizens?Those were the two
modifications the GOP wanted. Are these really worth shutting the government
down. Apparently the Senate Dems and Obama think so even though those two
changes have huge support (~80%) from the public.
We hate government so much here that everyone should be turning cartwheels, and
the entire exercise was caused by 'the party' for which everyone votes
I agree with Hatch and the rest of the Republicans.The Affordable
Care Act is definitely not something that the American people want.If you're one of the millions of people in this country without health
care or who have gone bankrupt because of medical bills, that's too bad.Not my problem, I have health care through my employer, and I don't care
about the rest of you....sure hope I never lose my job....The Republicans have offered many many alternatives to the Affordable Care
Act.They have so many new ideas about the health care crisis in this
country, and the Democrats just won't listen. Just watch Fox News if
you won't believe me.Our Senators and Congressmen have
unlimited access to awesome health care benefits, why would anybody else need
Everyone has a goose getting cooked in this government story whether the newsies
include them or not. Our government is so wasteful that we are on the verge of
collapsing due to our debt and the fact that one guy's goose is in the pot
or not is irrelevant. He is a big boy and quite capable of moving on like so
many millions of other Americans must do.
To shout shut it down and describe how frustrated you are as set forth above,
and then to blame it on others indicates that the tea party cannot govern, only
force and demand.
The loudest and most vocal people in America who want to limit and destroy our
national government are businessmen. Yet it is businessmen who will lose their
profits when it happens. Only those who can pick up their chips and move to a
new game will survive. As for people many will not survive, but
that’s OK because P.T. was only partially right, there’s many more
than one born every minute.
I see nothing extreme in Lee's or Chaffetz' positions to follow the
Constitution, lessen government's size and incursion into individual
liberty, to take on the often corrupt establishment in Washington, and to
decrease spending and the enormous national debt. They are men of principle and
have the courage to face the heat.
Comical.These hired liberal activist "posters" wink wink
posing as average random people want to make me throw up.Our
government shutting down so they can do less damage? Sounds like a great idea
to me. Alot of our problems are easily traceable directly back to our
government yet people seem blind to detect it.When will the average
citizen wake up and realize they are just pawns in the politicians game for
power and control? And that goes for both sides jut one side more than the
other.Instead many mindless sheep allow the politicians to divide us
and as a result we have been conquered.What a shame.Only
a fool would believe the unaffordable care act was designed to actually help the
average citizen. If it was why are democrats trying to exempt themselves from
it? Seriously, why? It achieves the objective of more government involvement
in your life and presenting a public "perception" that a politician is
doing something for you. That is when you ought to be scared. Nothing but an
attempt to buy votes with citizens money (actually the national debt/credit
card).Wake up people.
The Tea Party Rethuglicons have been writing this script for years. It has
continued in "re write" to become more and more troublesome as their
hatred of our President who represents a minority....Ultra Conservative
Republicans never, in a thousand years, in their wildest dreams, imagined
America being led by a Negro male. It did not matter his upbringing, his
education, or any other beneficial laws or policies President Obama would
implement.The day after President Obama was elected, these Republicans met
and constructed their plan of our President's destruction. Someday
these people will have to discuss this truth with their God.
"Politicians and their staff should not be exempt from ACA"Please do some research. They are NOT exempt.The GOP inserted and
amendment remove the health care subsidy that they had been receiving for years
and years. That would be like congress passing a law that says that YOUR
employer can no longer subsidize YOUR health care.It is effectively
a paycut. It was done for purely partisan reasons. Congress is not
exempt from the ACA. Nor are their staff. Many large employers pay a part of
their employees health care. The GOP went out of their way, and changed the
long standing rules, in an effort to make the ACA look bad.Pure
partisan politics. At least take the time to understand what you are ranting
wazzup,"All you who point fingers at the GOP, what is wrong with
these two changes with the ACA?"______________________________It's fairly obvious to me that this more than an attempt to delay
the individual mandate for a year. It's part of an overall strategy to kill
the ACA before it can be implemented.
Isn't a Government Shut-down, or better yet -- NO Government at all -- what
these uber-Conservative Tea-Partiers have based their ideology anyway?
I hate that it even got to this point of shutdown. But it's stunning to me
that we're mad about the result. We elected these people and then
reelected them, we brought this on ourselves. Mr. Obama has done nothing but
polarize the Congress and the nation. It's time we realize that we've
got to right the ship, get our spending and deficits under control and actually
help the economy grow. Before comprehensive health care we needed to shore up
Social Security and Medicaid/Medicare. Stunning to me that we leave those
programs fighting a losing battle and then we add to the mess with more govt
funded programs. What a shame that we've let things slide like we have.
From a Rasmussen Reports poll that found 47% support a shutdown as opposed to
46% who oppose a shutdown. "Republicans continue to strongly
support a shutdown for spending cuts in general and ones specifically aimed at
the health care law. Democrats are nearly as strongly opposed. "So yeah... who exactly wants this gov't shutdown again?
This is an interesting exercise in democracy. Obamacare was passed without a
single republican vote and employed a legislative sleight of hand to get
through. All the polls showed that the people were against it. That action
infuriated republicans and spawned the tea party movement. Now the republicans
in the house are using the same tactics that the democrats used to pass
Obamacare to try to defeat it. The lesson to be learned is that a majority party
cannot simply ride roughshod over the concerns of a minority party. Otherwise,
when that minority gains power they will exercise the same slash and burn
tactics employed against them. "My way or the highway" often simply
leads over a cliff.
It seems to me that if the Republicans really thought the ACA was a "train
wreck" they would stop fighting it and let it fail so they could hang the
failure around Democrats necks in 2014. Could it be that they are really afraid
it will succeed and be really popular, like Social Security and Medicare, both
of which they fought tooth and nail. Remember the tea party signs during the
health care town halls "KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF MY MEDICARE".
Canadian health care costs less than one half what ours does per capita and 91%
of Canadians prefer it to our system. In Ted Cruz's "Green eggs and
ham" speech he admitted that his greatest fear was that ACA would be a
success and most Americans would become addicted to it.
@atl134"So yeah... who exactly wants this gov't shutdown
again?"In a poll released last night, it was talking about who
to blame.Republicans 42%Democrats 39%Obama 13%Undecided 6%I guess the numbers don't lie. That is 52% who
blame the Democrats. The last time I checked, Obama was a democrat and sides
with the senate and visa versa.So who wants the shutdown? 52% of
Americans think the Democrats.The Health Care plan won't work,
it just started today and people are already confused. There is not decrease in
rates that were promised. According to media reports, given in an interview
with Harry Reid. Example: Of $2000 dollars spent on insurance, $1000 goes to
covering the uninsureds bills they walked from. They said it would still be the
same. I say go ahead and give the Democrats what they want with a
Sunset Clause, if the program is not what it is cracked up to be in a year. It
goes away. How about that. If you and others are so certain it will work, then
why not agree to that.Feeling painted in a corner are you?
Conservatives win with government shut down, the GOP dreams of a Tuesday
through Thursday work week, which is what they had before 2006.
@UtahBruinOther polls put more blame on Republicans than Democrats like
the CNN poll. Painted in a corner... must be what Boehner feels. We
don't need a sunset clause. If the system isn't working then it can
just be repealed or adjusted. Republicans have no interest in making things work
though, they just want to destroy it. You say people are already confused; well
that's largely your sides' fault for spreading lies about the program.
Republicans don't care about the uninsured, or those who are
under furlough. They just hate Obama.
I am surprised that some think the TEA party has an "extreme right wing
agenda." The TEA party stands for one concept: LOWER TAXES and the
accompanying smaller, less intrusive government that is engendered by that
concept.Does anyone think the Federal Government has the power under
the Constitution to force its citizenry to buy a product? It is not like a state
requiring car insurance, as you do not have to buy a car. You have choices as to
what transportation you choose or state to move to, to avoid its cost.But if you like the customized health insurance policy you have now, you CAN
NOT not keep it. If you have enough money saved to pay your doctor out of pocket
so need no insurance, you will be fined. If you have no insurance because you
don't want it or can't afford it, you will be fined and eventually
FORCED to carry insurance. The cost to you of a policy designed by Obamacare is
right now or will be soon 2 to 4 times what it was before the MANDATORY
Obamacare policy. The TEA Party is the ONLY one trying to stop this illegal law!
Why is it that national parks must close? I don't see the connection.
National Parks are public land, just like national forests. National forests
won't be closed. You can still hike the National Forest trail to the top of
Timpanogos. So why is it that people can't enter Arches or Bryce and walk
the trails? We don't have to have federal employees on-site in national
forests, why must they be on-site in national parks?
JoeBlow,Re: Your claim that the US Dept of Defense is the largest employer
in the WORLD...I don't know if they are the worlds biggest
employer, but they for sure don't even have the biggest budget (in the US
Federal budget). They come in 3rd.Google "2013 US Federal
Budget Pie Chart"...Healthcare 26%Pensions 25%Defense
22%Welfare 10%Interest 6%Education 4%Transportation 2%What's interesting is... we allocate more
$$$ to Healthcare and Pensions than we do to Defense.Also
interesting is... we only spend 2% of our budget on roads/transportation/etc.
And only 4% on Education. That's atrocious.But if it's
true that the Dept of Defense is the worlds largest employer... at least they do
it on less $$$ than we give to Healthcare and Pensions.
Shutdowns happened multiple times under Reagan and they were hardly gloom and
doom scenarios. Day 1 of the shutdown the stock markets are GAINING.
LDS Liberal 10:23 a.mRe: "Isn't a Government Shut-down, or
better yet -- NO Government at all -- what these uber-Conservative Tea-Partiers
have based their ideology anyway"?No...You keep saying
this, but that doesn't make it true. Tea Party people don't want
"NO Government". They want "SMALLER Government" (and so did our
founding fathers who wrote our constitution).If you can show me ONE
STATEMENT from any Tea Party person in print that they want "NO
Government" (and site your source)... I'd love to see it. If not...
why not just quit pretending to speak for tea party people and setting up
strawman statements the have never made?Show me where Tea Party
people have said they want "NO Government" please.
@atl134"Other polls.....like CNN polls" Of course CNN polls
are going to show the Repubs at fault. The poll I used was from the Washington
Post. It tried to show the Repubs as the bad guy, but they forgot about
math.Painted in a corner, Boehner? To be honest, I don't care
if he is or not. The Repubs wont win this anyway, even if it does make sense.
Which is why I said, give the whiny libs what they want, explain to them and the
public that they flat out own it. And if for some reason it works. Then the
better for all of us, right? If not, they wear the shame and should own it and
wear it for years to come. But they will try to blame the right like usual."Spreading lies about the program" And I quote Nancy Pelosi -
"We have to pass it to see what's inside" - Um who's lying?
It started with a lie, and that was your left. You guys will never live that
one down.Repubs dont care? Now that is a lie, the repubs just say
own it to uninsured. Problem solved.
It is interesting to see the liberals all blame the Republicans for the shutdown
when the Democrats in the Senate and Obama himself are equally to blame, if not
more. If the Democrats in the Senate had accepted the House's proposal on
Friday, this would have been avoided.Now, we have Harry Reid saying
that he won't even compormise or send people to work out a deal. The House
is doing its job (for once) and is representing the will of the people who say
that Obamacare is a mess and needs to be reconsidered. The Senate is ignoring
the will of the people and is acting purely out of political motives.I don't see this ending quickly unless the press can spin it so that
Obama looks like a hero.
This is the best thing that could happen for our great country. First of all,
our government hypocrite's can't do any more damage to our country.
(at least for a while) Second, our national debt will not increase to fund
Obamacare.I hope they stay shut down for a while.
This new approach championed by one of our own (Lee) has frankly embarrassed me
as a voting republican. The Health Care Act is law. Why not put energy into
amending and correcting and improving instead of holding the people of America
hostage to get what you want.
Obama Care will drain Americas money supply, and leave us totally dependent on
government for survival. Most all, will be at the same low level of lifestyle
and call it fair.It's already happening. Over half our people
are fed, and dependent on the feds.
@worf"It's already happening. Over half our people are fed,
and dependent on the feds."Sources, please.
I have to shake my head at the naiveté of the folks here who think that
shutting down the government is a *good* thing. It costs MONEY to mothball
significant portions of the federal government, and then remobilize them again
later; in the billions of dollars, I would think.Government spending
is a component of GDP, so every government dollar that would've been spent
but is now sitting idle, thanks to the shutdown, is one less dollar of GDP
growth. In real human terms, this is the many contractors and vendors who just
had their government contracts and purchases deferred (or canceled). Truly,
"money is like manure, of very little use except it be spread." There
is also a multiplier-effect to slashing government spending via the shutdown.
Hundreds of thousands of government employees just got furloughed, so their
discretionary spending likely just took a nosedive (consumer spending is the
largest component of GDP). Taken together, you begin to see the
impact on individuals and the economy that the shutdown will have; and this is
small potatoes compared to what will happen if the same kind of shenanigans
ensue with the debt ceiling.
Just the process of shutting down the government costs two billion dollars and
another two billion when it starts up again. A huge amount of national debt goes
to pay just the interest. Default on what congress has already spent and the
interest payments could more than double. Since all of the economic gains since
2000 have gone to the top one-percent, shouldn't they be the ones to make
up the increase caused by their Tea Party surrogates? Perhaps by making billion
dollar salaries of hedge fund managers taxable as ordinary income. I want good
government. And I don't want the anarchists that the ultra-far-right has
forced onto the GOP ticket. It seems the mass meeting approach is designed to
enable that kind of thing. We need a primary system where all Utahns can use
their vote so 'the voice of the people' determines the best outcome.
The Book of Mormon is right about the voice of the people as a whole usually
being the wisest choice.
If the Democrats were to "compromise," wouldn't that send a message
to Republicans that they could hold the budget (or debt ceiling) hostage any
time they were displeased with programs or legislation? Such an arrangement
would effectively give the Republican house (or any party in a similar position)
a wildly disproportionate amount of power.In negotiation, every side
wants to seek out leverage to enhance their bargaining position. Holding the
federal government (or debt ceiling) hostage is a shameful ploy for either
party, and the country should seek reform — constitutional change, if
necessary — to make sure this never happens again.
No matter how serious my concerns about Obamacare — and I am profoundly
worried about some components of the legislation — I can not support the
shameful tactics employed by the Republican-lead House. You don't furlough
800,000 Americans and threaten the economy to repeal bad legislation or prove a
point. As Utah's congressional delegation face re-election over the next
several years, Utahns should place a renewed focus on seeking out statesmen (and
women) rather than trigger-happy political activists.
Let's hope salaries of Obama and all elected officials are not being paid.
Turn off the lights in the White House and take away all his Secret Service
protection. If the people voting on these measures are affected by them, maybe
they'll think twice before acting so stupid.
Yesterday I spent the day at Arches Natl Park. There, we met several couples
who were traveling to the natl parks, all from out of state, a few from out of
country. They were quite distraught that they had come so far and didn't
know what to do now. The foreigners were confused by the whole thing (as are
many of us). We were able to tell them of some state parks here and in
surrounding states that they could visit, and they were quite
grateful....nevertheless, still disappointed, as they had anticipated and
planned for this vacation for so long.
Yay! Shut it down! We are spending money we DON'T HAVE!
@CHS 85:Do your own homework! The data is easy to find.
Compromise was a dirty word to the tea party a week ago. Shut id down will be
the slogan of an un-patriotic extremist in another week
Yeah, but I have been trying to find a room for this weekend in Torrey for about
2 weeks now Everything is full, or they want serious money. I think they will
be OK for a little while. LOL!
The State of Utah and it's citizens need to seize the "national"
parks through the legal means of the US constitution. **Tenth
Thomas Jefferson commented that :"I believe the states can best govern
our home (domestic) concerns...I wish therefore to see maintained that wholesome
distribution of powers established by the Constitution for the limitation of
both (federal & state); and never to see all offices transferred to
Washington"In 1911 the Supreme Court said, "Among the powers
of the state not surrendered- which powers therefore remain with the state- is
the power to so regulate the relative rights and duties of all within its
jurisdiction as to guard the public morals, the public safety, and the public
health, as well as to promote the public convenience and the common good"The State of Utah has the right and the best ability to maintain and
regulate the national parks as well as all of Utah's natural resources.
Unfortunately, with the passing of the seventeenth Amendment (wherein Senators
are elected by popular vote rather than being appointed by the state
legislature), the states lost the right to be represented in the Senate, where
thy had held a veto power over any legislation which violated states'
rights.Utah has great leaders. Mike Lee and Jason Chaffetz are
revealing just how counterproductive and wasteful the federalization of state
responsibilities has become.