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Published: Monday, Sept. 30 2013 4:07 p.m. MDT

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Res Novae
Ashburn, VA

Yesterday I issued instructions to suspend work for approximately 1000 government contractors.

Today I will issue furloughs for 15 'non-excepted' employees after they spend up to 4 hours conducting 'orderly shutdown' procedures. As an 'excepted' employee I will continue to do work for which I have no guarantee of compensation.

Forgive me, Mr. Evensen, for not seeing this as an abstract exercise, or the latest oddity in Washington partisanship. It also comes on the heels of furloughs and severe cutbacks associated with the sequestration you so casually dismiss.

Just because it isn't impacting you doesn't mean it isn't impacting anyone.

I'm past being interested in the blame game. The behavior on the Hill is shameful, and I'm sorely tempted to report the entire Congress to my Inspector General unit for fraud, waste, and abuse.

ECR
Burke, VA

Imagine if every worker in Utah woke up this morning without a job. In fact, the shutdown impacts more than that number. It's not a trivial thing. But then Jay Evanson is safe in his little cloistered environment, isn't he.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Our grandchildren deserve a populace that respects laws and rules. What will they shutdown government for to demand their was or economic collapse?

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

How many millions are out of work and how glibly we are told that "things are getting better" even though we all know it's a lie?

How little time has been spent discussing ACAS's unintended consequences (we hope they were unintended at least) - of putting people on short time and dissuading small employers from expanding in a time of great recession. But put less than one million federal employees out of work for even a day or two and NOW things are bad!

busbus
Bethel Park, PA

MarkB, you said: "Mr. Rock, we aren't talking about tax rates here. This thread is supposed to be concerned with the shutting down of the federal government, starting tonight. "

Why do we need SO MUCH Federal Government? It most certainly does relate to tax rates. The problem is not that the Federal Government is partially shutting down, it is all about have too much Federal Government--which feeds off taxes which is directly related to tax rates.

Remember, this country was going along just fine until Woodrow Wilson decided an INCOME TAX was a good idea and it was, somehow, deemed to be Constitutional.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

How much does DN do to educate and inform its readers?

Several DN commenters seem unaware of the most basic facts about the ACA--like the fact that Congress and their staff are now required to select their insurance providers from the exchanges.

I understand controversy sells newspapers, but DN also needs to do its real job to educate and inform, using fact-based truthful information.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

"The economy boomed when Reagan lowered the tax rate" , no it didn't. A recession ensued along with record deficits. Then Volcker squeezed the life out of inflation unleashing nearly a decade of pent up demand and the economy eventually took off. Regan then had to raise taxes 11 times, mostly at Volcker's urging to prevent a deficit that set off inflation again.

Read history closely and you'll see that Regan did everything possible to destroy the progress Volcker was making against inflation (the problem of the post war economy). Good news Volcker won and Regan lost. Bad news Republicans think Regan did something other than nearly destroy the world economy.

ute alumni
paradise, UT

maybe the govt. working posters ought to think about not working for the government, but then they wouldn't have the cushy cloistered lifetime job they enjoy. we will suffer without their "services".

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I almost didn't dare go to work this morning. I got up really early in case the government roads were closed. But everything went fine. No zombies, no armagedon, no traffic snafoos. Just life like any other day.

If I were a "Non-Essential" government employee I may have been impacted. But just with an extra vacation day to sit home and watch TV. Because in every other government shutdown these non-essential workers were given the day off... but were eventually payed for those days they stayed home.

I really don't think it's going to be the big deal some in the media have painted it to be.

On my drive in I heard someone dramatically lamenting that, "We have now shutdown the GREATEST invention of man-kind... the Government". REALLY?

This is just more political grand-standing.

They will restart our greatest invention ever... All of our checks from the government will keep comming... and everythign will be fine again. Don't worry. Be happy.

busbus
Bethel Park, PA

Sorry about the word choice. I was wrong. Here is the updatedpoast:

And to take advantage of cheaper taxes--MUCH cheaper taxes.

Now, in order to move things back to the United States, companies would have to lose a lot of money--in the form of taxes--so they continue to keep their money off-shore.

So, you see, taxing a lot works when you own the world but when the world becomes more-or-less even, higher taxes are extremely hurtful.

We do not need higher taxes, we need to figure out how to get more people working and making or doing things that will allow them to earn higher salaries. Then we can have enough money to do the things we want to do. Of course, if there is close to zero percent unemployment, there will be little need for entitlement spending, so our collective taxes can GO DOWN.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Shutdown consequences include:

Nearly 3,000 aviation safety inspectors are being furloughed by the Federal Aviation Administration as part of the government shutdown, the union representing the inspectors said Monday.

The inspectors check to make sure airlines are maintaining their planes safely, conduct inspections at airports of planes and pilots, and visit domestic and foreign repair stations where airlines send planes for major overhauls, among other safety jobs, said Kori Blalock Keller, a spokeswoman for the union, Professional Aviation Safety Specialists.

The Centers for Disease Control and the National Institutes of Health were both hit hard by the shutdown in 1995. The NIH stopped taking in new patients and the CDC halted disease surveillance.

New applications for passports and visas will likely be delayed, possibly affecting the LDS missionary program.

Processing of new applications for Social Security and Veterans benefits will be delayed.

Mark B
Eureka, CA

The short answer to bus' question about big government is this: We have big agriculture, big labor, big (the biggest anywhere, any time) military and most of all, big business, the goals of which are not necessarily positive to society. Big government helps us avoid being simply plowed under by these huge interest blocks.

As for the constitutionality of the income tax, I'd say that's pretty solid ground since the Constitution itself was amended to allow it. Wilson felt the money might come in handy for engaging in this little business we now call World War I.

OHBU
Columbus, OH

It's pretty offensive to simply write-off 800,000 people as if they don't matter just because our country is so big. I'll bet if the DNews suddenly lost all of its funding, Mr. Evensen would care a great deal.

Sabrecat
South Jordan, UT

Youre correct Hutterite. The Market did notice the shutdown. It was up 63 points.

Res Novae
Ashburn, VA

@ute alumni

"maybe the govt. working posters ought to think about not working for the government, but then they wouldn't have the cushy cloistered lifetime job they enjoy."

There's always a response like this whenever a government employee speaks up for his colleagues.

I work in DOD. My job is hardly "cushy." I work more hours than I am actually paid for on high-visibility programs with all the stresses they entail, and I'm in a constant fight to bring the costs of contractors down on behalf of taxpayers, in an office last renovated in the Ford administration. I took pay cut to be here.

My job is hardly "cloistered." I daresay warzone deployments get me out and about far more than residents of "Paradise, UT".

My job is hardly "lifetime." There are plenty of ways to get walked out of the building with your personal belongings.

Why do I do it? Because I got tired of seeing American kids dying while I was on the sidelines. The uniformed personnel I work with represent the best America has to offer, I love them, I'm proud to serve them, and I believe in the mission.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

I am betting Barack could disappear and no one would notice. Disappear onto a golf course for three years and the country would be so much the better. This man is a virus.

JerryBall
San Francisco, CA

When it reaches deeper and deeper and all airports shut down because of no traffic controllers, and the troops revolt because they refuse to fight our wars for free and their wives and children are evicted and are hungry because food stamps are very limited now... the beat goes on....?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

IF the government shuts down... and the only way most people know is by watching the drama being created for the news cameras... maybe the Tea Party people are right. Maybe our government CAN be smaller.

Think about it... how would most Americans know the government was shut down today (If it weren't for all the endless news coverage)? They wouldn't. This is a "made for news" event. Without the news reports nobody would even know it was even happening.

Cordwainer Bird
Salt Lake City, UT

We would probably have a more informed electorate if newspaper CEOs recognized the responsibility they shoulder in providing the information. Instead, it's all about "niche news" and getting the most "clicks." Instead of providing unbiased reports and uncovering truths, it's all about turning a buck. The DN is no exception.

ECR
Burke, VA

Res Novae - Thanks for your comment. It is really unfortunate that so many people buy into a stereotype portrayed by the uninformed folks in media. Thank you for serving the soldiers that put their lives on the line for all of us. Let's hope the Congress can grow up and act their age and get people back to work, serving the American citizens.

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