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Published: Monday, Sept. 30 2013 4:44 p.m. MDT

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A Guy With A Brain
Enid, OK

Democrats, led by their fearless leader, Obama, literally crammed Obamacare down our collective throats (yes, liberals, the majority of Americans have N-E-V-E-R wanted Obamacare.....go look it up yourself but make sure you don't get all your sources from only other liberals....yes, even polls by liberal avenues like CNN, NBC, etc show that the majority of Americans do NOT want Obamacare).....a 2,700+ page disaster that, according to the (then) Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, "had" to be passed so we could, and I quote, "find out what's in it".

Are our leaders that clueless?

Yes, boys and girls, they are.

Everything the Federal Government touches, it destroys: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, US Post Office, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, AmTrak, and, last but not least, our own Federal budget...what should be a surplus, or at least a break even proposition, is in debt to the tune of a measley $17 TRILLION.

But something as complex as nationalized health care?

Don't worry, I'm sure they'll "get it right"....

The bottom line is, I support any legal and moral option that will end Obamacare. Anything.

Petra
Sanpete County, UT

Until true conservatives and honest Republicans regain control of their own party, I will not be voting Republican. We need the conservative voice in our country, but what too many Republicans have become in their move to the far right is embarrassing to the party and destructive to the country. Hatch should never defend what they have done. In fact, he should despise their lack of understanding of the way things are supposed to work, according to the Constitution.

The entire thing is just disgusting.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Tea party is to blame. Yelling shut is down is insurrection. now what?

Esquire
Springville, UT

And you are responsible for this mess, Orrin.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Shaun 4:17
Re: "If Obamacare is bad as republicans make it... Force the democrats hand at implementing it right away and sit back watch it implode".

The problem with that approach is... you can't move back on entitlements. It is litterally impossible to actually CUT one cent out of Meidare, Medicaid, Social Security. Any politician who even proposes NOT INCREASING the budget (which is not even a "cut", it's less of an increase than they wanted) any government department at the usual rates are given the boot.

So any politician who wants to get elected knows they MUST increase funding for ObamaCare, Food Stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Unemployment benefits, Education, and National Park budgets... or be out of a job.

Democrats can cut defense budgets all they want, and the public LOVES that (until we really need them). But fail to increase entitlements less than the previous administration... and you are an automatic villain.

So politician can touch ObamaCare once it controls your access to healthcare.

The fight was now or never. Democrats won... so lets see if people like their new insurance rates.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: ". . . government shutdown at midnight"

And, just as Democrats wanted it to, government DID shut down. But their disingenuous blame-the-Republicans propaganda started months ago.

But, real people understand this shutdown of the government -- except for those services enjoyed the Democrat monarch and aristocrats, of course -- is due to one thing, and one thing only: Obama's obsession with preserving Obamacare, that wildly unpopular, lame-duck Democrat socialist program that this regime exalts about everything else.

Including the common good.

Thanks, Democrats.

Hubbert
Sandy, UT

I fundamentally disagree with Hatch's opening statement "Obama and dems to shut down the government and blame the Republicans"
the FACTS are the democrats have asked for an UP OR DOWN vote. Just vote.
the FACTS are the Republican Speaker of the House is only allowing votes on bills including a de-funding of Affordable Care Act (which is law, passed by the house and senate and determined to be constitutional by the supreme court).
Make no mistake this is a Republican tactic to disallow ACA, an existing law.
Are the republicans looking after the interests of taxpayers? or are republicans looking after the interests of Big Insurance?

Fareed
San Francisco, CA

Legislating by Shutdown. We Can't: win elections, pass bills, engage in debate, follow the Constitution, or explain ourselves in a rational way. We are consistent however: we have made 44 serious attempts to to defund or derail Obamacare, and 0 serious attempts to pass a budget.

TrueAmerican56
Corpus Christi, TX

If the HealthCare Bill is so bad, why don't they wait until next year, get enough votes to win both houses and then do what they want to do? I agree with Shaun, I think they are worried it will be liked and they will lose lose lose elections.

TrueAmerican56
Corpus Christi, TX

I would love to hear what all the debt worriers feel about the military, since during the Bush years they were quiet as a mouse. Bush created 2 wars that are going to be worth 4 Trillion by the time things are all said and done, and the Republican led congress saddled the country with a prescription drug bill that was totally unfunded, why aren't they calling for cutbacks in military spending?

thecrud
San Tan Valley, AZ

No wonder they wanted to block this I am 52 and my insurance is now only 1025.00 a year.
Just Wow.

RedneckLefty
St. George, UT

Yeah a lot of Republicans don't seem to really understand what happened in the House.

The Senate passed a budget that DIDN'T gut Obamacare.

The House passed a budget that DID gut Obamacare.

The Senate considered the House budget bill and voted no.

The House leadership prevented the Senate bill from coming up for a vote, *precisely because it would have passed.*

In other words, Boehner prevented his own Republicans from voting on--and for--the Senate bill.

The blame doesn't go both ways on this one. This is all on the heads of the Tea Party and the GOP leadership in the house that answers only to them.

Tea Party first, Americans second.

Jil
York, SC

Obamacare is socialism pure and simple.It should be fought!

pac12ute4life
Beverly Hills, CA

Yes. BYU and Utah State are regional Utah schools, so they are natural rivals.

Utah is a national brand in a power conference, well on its way to building rivalries with other national brands - USC, Oregon, etc.

goodnight-goodluck
S.L.C., UT

It was pased into law, that law was upheld by the Supreme Court. The President was Re-Elected.
Get over it and get back to work. You lost the fight.
You don't have the votes to repeal the law. So get back to work or resign and let us elect a new congress/senate that is willing to do the peoples business. Not just the business of the t-party!

Ralph
Salt Lake City, UT

As bad as the ACA is, it's not worth shutting down the government over.

Single payer was the only thing that made sense, but people, this monstrosity is LAW.
This law is signed, sealed, and delivered (and upheld by the Supreme Court).

This Tea/Republican shutdown is just theater of the absurd.

Is this the worst Congress to have ever been elected in the history of the Country?

Linus
Bountiful, UT

I'm amazed at the comments included here about the Constitution. "Conservative" said: "I checked the Constitution. Yes, the majority rules. The Democrats are majority in one of the 2 Legislative Branch houses. And of course they also hold the Executive Branch. The minority may appeal to the courts. Elections do have consequences."

Those who truly understand the "original intent" of the Constitution understand that the House of Representative is the "People's House," and represents the will of the people directly. The Senate represents the interests of the various states, and not the people directly. So the Founders gave the House of Representatives the "Power of the Purse." That is the power that the House of Representatives is exercising in the present stalemate, and they not only have the right to do so; they have the duty to do so.

Poll after poll reveals that the will of the people is that Obamacare be defunded. The "People's House" is representing that "majority" view. God save the Constitution and the House of Representatives. And, as for you who comment, try to become acquainted with the Constitution and the Founder's original intent. Thanks.

Linus
Bountiful, UT

According to: John C. C.
Payson, UT

"For those who claim that the Affordable Care Act is a bad idea, please include this in your calculations. When most poor Americans finally get some degree of basic health coverage there will be a significant drop in those going to local emergency rooms. An ounce of prevention will be worth more than a pound of cure. The overall costs of health care will drop."

Having lived in Canada under a medical care system approximating Obamacare, I can tell you that Emergency Room visits greatly increased, and Emergency Room service continues to provide the only way Canadians can get timely care. Doctor visits and diagnostic scans, scopes, testing, x-rays, etc. must be scheduled months in advance of appointments, and patients are often sent hundreds of miles from local services in order to distribute the load. It just saves a lot of time to go straight to the ER (which Canadians call the "Merge.")

Funny thing: In Canada, health care is "free" but virtually unavailable. Hospital visitors pay to park ($8) and hospital patients pay for TV ($20 per day).

Bomar
Roberts, ID

Yes, Obamacare will implode, however there is one thing that all of "wiser than the rest of us" have not mentioned, and that is Congress has exempted the chosen groups from abiding by Obamacare. Have you asked yourselves why is it that the Politicians, unions and the "chosen" corporations have been exempted from having to follow what is called "the Law of the Land"? There have been over 1,000 exemptions given to Obamas "Chronys".

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