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  • Bomar Roberts, ID
    Oct. 7, 2013 5:27 p.m.

    Yes, Obamacare will implode, however there is one thing that all of "wiser than the rest of us" have not mentioned, and that is Congress has exempted the chosen groups from abiding by Obamacare. Have you asked yourselves why is it that the Politicians, unions and the "chosen" corporations have been exempted from having to follow what is called "the Law of the Land"? There have been over 1,000 exemptions given to Obamas "Chronys".

  • Linus Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 12:02 p.m.

    According to: John C. C.
    Payson, UT

    "For those who claim that the Affordable Care Act is a bad idea, please include this in your calculations. When most poor Americans finally get some degree of basic health coverage there will be a significant drop in those going to local emergency rooms. An ounce of prevention will be worth more than a pound of cure. The overall costs of health care will drop."

    Having lived in Canada under a medical care system approximating Obamacare, I can tell you that Emergency Room visits greatly increased, and Emergency Room service continues to provide the only way Canadians can get timely care. Doctor visits and diagnostic scans, scopes, testing, x-rays, etc. must be scheduled months in advance of appointments, and patients are often sent hundreds of miles from local services in order to distribute the load. It just saves a lot of time to go straight to the ER (which Canadians call the "Merge.")

    Funny thing: In Canada, health care is "free" but virtually unavailable. Hospital visitors pay to park ($8) and hospital patients pay for TV ($20 per day).

  • Linus Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    I'm amazed at the comments included here about the Constitution. "Conservative" said: "I checked the Constitution. Yes, the majority rules. The Democrats are majority in one of the 2 Legislative Branch houses. And of course they also hold the Executive Branch. The minority may appeal to the courts. Elections do have consequences."

    Those who truly understand the "original intent" of the Constitution understand that the House of Representative is the "People's House," and represents the will of the people directly. The Senate represents the interests of the various states, and not the people directly. So the Founders gave the House of Representatives the "Power of the Purse." That is the power that the House of Representatives is exercising in the present stalemate, and they not only have the right to do so; they have the duty to do so.

    Poll after poll reveals that the will of the people is that Obamacare be defunded. The "People's House" is representing that "majority" view. God save the Constitution and the House of Representatives. And, as for you who comment, try to become acquainted with the Constitution and the Founder's original intent. Thanks.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 11:05 p.m.

    As bad as the ACA is, it's not worth shutting down the government over.

    Single payer was the only thing that made sense, but people, this monstrosity is LAW.
    This law is signed, sealed, and delivered (and upheld by the Supreme Court).

    This Tea/Republican shutdown is just theater of the absurd.

    Is this the worst Congress to have ever been elected in the history of the Country?

  • goodnight-goodluck S.L.C., UT
    Oct. 2, 2013 10:34 a.m.

    It was pased into law, that law was upheld by the Supreme Court. The President was Re-Elected.
    Get over it and get back to work. You lost the fight.
    You don't have the votes to repeal the law. So get back to work or resign and let us elect a new congress/senate that is willing to do the peoples business. Not just the business of the t-party!

  • pac12ute4life Beverly Hills, CA
    Oct. 1, 2013 6:41 p.m.

    Yes. BYU and Utah State are regional Utah schools, so they are natural rivals.

    Utah is a national brand in a power conference, well on its way to building rivalries with other national brands - USC, Oregon, etc.

  • Jil York, SC
    Oct. 1, 2013 6:06 p.m.

    Obamacare is socialism pure and simple.It should be fought!

  • RedneckLefty St. George, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 3:45 p.m.

    Yeah a lot of Republicans don't seem to really understand what happened in the House.

    The Senate passed a budget that DIDN'T gut Obamacare.

    The House passed a budget that DID gut Obamacare.

    The Senate considered the House budget bill and voted no.

    The House leadership prevented the Senate bill from coming up for a vote, *precisely because it would have passed.*

    In other words, Boehner prevented his own Republicans from voting on--and for--the Senate bill.

    The blame doesn't go both ways on this one. This is all on the heads of the Tea Party and the GOP leadership in the house that answers only to them.

    Tea Party first, Americans second.

  • thecrud San Tan Valley, AZ
    Oct. 1, 2013 3:42 p.m.

    No wonder they wanted to block this I am 52 and my insurance is now only 1025.00 a year.
    Just Wow.

  • TrueAmerican56 Corpus Christi, TX
    Oct. 1, 2013 3:35 p.m.

    I would love to hear what all the debt worriers feel about the military, since during the Bush years they were quiet as a mouse. Bush created 2 wars that are going to be worth 4 Trillion by the time things are all said and done, and the Republican led congress saddled the country with a prescription drug bill that was totally unfunded, why aren't they calling for cutbacks in military spending?

  • TrueAmerican56 Corpus Christi, TX
    Oct. 1, 2013 3:26 p.m.

    If the HealthCare Bill is so bad, why don't they wait until next year, get enough votes to win both houses and then do what they want to do? I agree with Shaun, I think they are worried it will be liked and they will lose lose lose elections.

  • Fareed San Francisco, CA
    Oct. 1, 2013 1:12 p.m.

    Legislating by Shutdown. We Can't: win elections, pass bills, engage in debate, follow the Constitution, or explain ourselves in a rational way. We are consistent however: we have made 44 serious attempts to to defund or derail Obamacare, and 0 serious attempts to pass a budget.

  • Hubbert Sandy, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 12:24 p.m.

    I fundamentally disagree with Hatch's opening statement "Obama and dems to shut down the government and blame the Republicans"
    the FACTS are the democrats have asked for an UP OR DOWN vote. Just vote.
    the FACTS are the Republican Speaker of the House is only allowing votes on bills including a de-funding of Affordable Care Act (which is law, passed by the house and senate and determined to be constitutional by the supreme court).
    Make no mistake this is a Republican tactic to disallow ACA, an existing law.
    Are the republicans looking after the interests of taxpayers? or are republicans looking after the interests of Big Insurance?

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    Re: ". . . government shutdown at midnight"

    And, just as Democrats wanted it to, government DID shut down. But their disingenuous blame-the-Republicans propaganda started months ago.

    But, real people understand this shutdown of the government -- except for those services enjoyed the Democrat monarch and aristocrats, of course -- is due to one thing, and one thing only: Obama's obsession with preserving Obamacare, that wildly unpopular, lame-duck Democrat socialist program that this regime exalts about everything else.

    Including the common good.

    Thanks, Democrats.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 8:01 a.m.

    Shaun 4:17
    Re: "If Obamacare is bad as republicans make it... Force the democrats hand at implementing it right away and sit back watch it implode".

    The problem with that approach is... you can't move back on entitlements. It is litterally impossible to actually CUT one cent out of Meidare, Medicaid, Social Security. Any politician who even proposes NOT INCREASING the budget (which is not even a "cut", it's less of an increase than they wanted) any government department at the usual rates are given the boot.

    So any politician who wants to get elected knows they MUST increase funding for ObamaCare, Food Stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Unemployment benefits, Education, and National Park budgets... or be out of a job.

    Democrats can cut defense budgets all they want, and the public LOVES that (until we really need them). But fail to increase entitlements less than the previous administration... and you are an automatic villain.

    So politician can touch ObamaCare once it controls your access to healthcare.

    The fight was now or never. Democrats won... so lets see if people like their new insurance rates.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 7:51 a.m.

    And you are responsible for this mess, Orrin.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 5:44 a.m.

    Tea party is to blame. Yelling shut is down is insurrection. now what?

  • Petra Sanpete County, UT
    Oct. 1, 2013 12:29 a.m.

    Until true conservatives and honest Republicans regain control of their own party, I will not be voting Republican. We need the conservative voice in our country, but what too many Republicans have become in their move to the far right is embarrassing to the party and destructive to the country. Hatch should never defend what they have done. In fact, he should despise their lack of understanding of the way things are supposed to work, according to the Constitution.

    The entire thing is just disgusting.

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    Sept. 30, 2013 10:10 p.m.

    Democrats, led by their fearless leader, Obama, literally crammed Obamacare down our collective throats (yes, liberals, the majority of Americans have N-E-V-E-R wanted Obamacare.....go look it up yourself but make sure you don't get all your sources from only other liberals....yes, even polls by liberal avenues like CNN, NBC, etc show that the majority of Americans do NOT want Obamacare).....a 2,700+ page disaster that, according to the (then) Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, "had" to be passed so we could, and I quote, "find out what's in it".

    Are our leaders that clueless?

    Yes, boys and girls, they are.

    Everything the Federal Government touches, it destroys: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, US Post Office, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, AmTrak, and, last but not least, our own Federal budget...what should be a surplus, or at least a break even proposition, is in debt to the tune of a measley $17 TRILLION.

    But something as complex as nationalized health care?

    Don't worry, I'm sure they'll "get it right"....

    The bottom line is, I support any legal and moral option that will end Obamacare. Anything.

  • jimmy62 hickory, NC
    Sept. 30, 2013 10:06 p.m.

    SHUT IT DOWN, I know these overpaid lightweights are tired and old, so they need a rest for all the hard work they do up there in the big building.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 30, 2013 9:27 p.m.

    @patriot vet

    You wrote the ACA was:

    "passed by the House,
    passed by the Senate,
    Signed by the President,
    and upheld by the Supreme Court."

    I won't argue your point.

    -------------

    Why would you? That's like arguing 1 + 1 equals 2.

    If Obamacare is as bad as Romneycare then Republicans should be giddy for the next election cycle. They can clean sweep the next elections.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 9:22 p.m.

    ACA is not about healthcare? Is about TAXING Americans MORE! It's about power and robbing from the hard working and giving to the DC bureaucrats! .....McCain/Obama/Reid/Pelosi/Hatch are all on in the same! Lee and Cruz are the new hope and change!

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 8:34 p.m.

    For those who claim that the Affordable Care Act is a bad idea, please include this in your calculations. When most poor Americans finally get some degree of basic health coverage there will be a significant drop in those going to local emergency rooms. An ounce of prevention will be worth more than a pound of cure. The overall costs of health care will drop.

  • Mighty Mouse Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 30, 2013 7:35 p.m.

    The nation is heading for a train wreck with Obama care. It will increase, not decrease health care costs. It will increase not decrease insurance costs. It will decrease, not increase access to health care. Many unions recognize the looming disaster and have withdrawn support. Still, the President and the Democrats in the Senate have refused to negotiate as they did when they unilaterally rammed Obamacare down the throats of Americans in the first place. The House Republicans are using the only leverage they have. I see the poll numbers quoted in the comments but I don't personally know anyone who still really thinks Obamacare is good for America. Under Regan, the Democrats shut down the government 12 different times. Like it or not, this is what checks and balances looks like and it is a good thing for America.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 6:40 p.m.

    For John Boehner, Mitch McConnell and the Republican Party its all about power and politics, rather than serving the people. Its no secret that Republican extremists have wanted to shut the government down because they feel Democrats would be blamed by the media and by Americans.

    This from a Congress that closed White House tours and many other traditional activities through an ill-advised stunt called sequestration. Republicans just wants to stick it to Americans and the Democratic party.

    But as far as actually trying to solve America's challenges? Won't happen if they have anything to say about it.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 6:14 p.m.

    For Obama and the Democratic Party its all about power and politics, rather than serving the people. Its no secret that Obama and Reid have wanted to shut the government down because they feel Republicans would be blamed by the media and by Americans.

    This from a president who closed White House tours. He just wants to stick it to Americans and the Republican party.

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 6:03 p.m.

    Orrin Hatch's slogan "Utah's Time to Lead".....That is hilarious! The Elder Statesman with all the experience sits by and does nothing. What an embarrassment Utah's senators are! Of course that's only my opinion. I know they're both wildly-popular with most Utahns.

  • Doogie South Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 30, 2013 5:32 p.m.

    It seems to me that Congress is not listening to their constituents and it will come back to haunt them. Senator Cruz will be the star in all this as he has adamantly fought to defund Obamacare before the trainwreck actually happened. There are going to be a lot of unhappy citizens once this mess is enacted. Public Opinion and polls have indicated that more than half the country is against Obamacare and that number will only rise as this law unfolds. Seems to me that we have a bunch of anarchists in Washington that aren't listening and don't care to listen. They just like to appear like they are and then they do what they want. Hopefully the repercussions from all this will turn the tide away from the progressives. What a joke.

  • Rosco SANDY, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 5:20 p.m.

    I am disgusted with both parties. Neither feels the need to govern responsibly. What business would wait until the last day to secure funding to meet its obligations? Our politicians are an embarrassment. They bicker and point fingers--spending most of their time calculating the votes their actions win or lose. I cannot imagine anyone from either party not recognizing that some of the blame for today's absurd deadlock is their own fault. The citizenry of the country are getting what they deserve—we elected the bums and must live with the consequences. Anyone see any value to term limits/campaign funding reform?

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 5:18 p.m.

    Shut it down.

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Sept. 30, 2013 5:17 p.m.

    I love to hear tye liberals wine. Need some cheese?

  • Kay The LDS Lacey, WA
    Sept. 30, 2013 5:11 p.m.

    Congress needs more Libertarians.

  • kattawn ,
    Sept. 30, 2013 5:03 p.m.

    Why hasn't Senator Hatch been in DC voting?

  • DavisMan Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 4:46 p.m.

    Well now, isn't this another fine mess Americans have gotten themselves into. Yes, we got what we wanted by voting this group of cry baby, do nothing for Americans into office. Get over it and get it done already.

  • DanO Mission Viejo, CA
    Sept. 30, 2013 4:42 p.m.

    There should be no compromise, this isn't about the budget, this is about paying what's already due. The House spent the money and they need to pay the bills. I can't get a car loan then tell the bank I'll only pay them if they give me something additional.

    Besides, the House isn't doing the will of the people as they claim. A new poll by The Morning Consult just out today shows only 33% believe that the health law should be repealed, delayed, or defunded. People want it to go into effect and to be improved.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 4:42 p.m.

    patriot vet

    Cedar City, UT

    I won't argue your point. But my point was that no matter what the outcome of our Constitutional process, we must defend it (the process).
    4:27 p.m. Sept. 30, 2013

    ======

    Agreed.

    I am a Veteran myself.
    I have sworn the oath to protect the Constitution.

    There are ALOT of things I disagree with about our Government,
    but when guys Senator Mike Lee, Cruz and the rest of the comedians in Congress trample the Constitution and our Democratic process, by usurping the vote and holding America hostage...
    is something I WILL fight.

    If they don't like ACA or anything else for that matter,
    rally the troops,
    state your case,
    and get public support and the VOTES to change things.

    Shutting Down our Government, ignoring laws passed by all 3 branches of Government is just plain wrong -- regardless of who's doing it or for what reason.

  • MemoFromA Demo SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 4:41 p.m.

    To Patriot Vet in Cedar City:

    You wrote, -- "The Republicans have a 54%-46% majority in the House, the Democrats have a 53%-47% majority in the Senate. Therefore, the Legislative Branch is split 50-50. The Executive Branch is Democrat. Common sense tells us that the Democrats have a 75%-25% edge over the Republicans in the Government.

    Lets do the math: 435 House seats in the house = 235 Republican and 200 Democrats. 100 seats in the Senate = 47 Republicans and 53 Democrats (including two Independents). My math tells me there are more elected Republicans in the Legislative Branch than Democrats, -- 282 to 253.

  • patriot vet Cedar City, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 4:27 p.m.

    @LDS Liberal...My friend, liberals would not call me a liberal, and conservatives would not call me a conservative. I'm politically moderate.

    You wrote the ACA was:

    "passed by the House,
    passed by the Senate,
    Signed by the President,
    and upheld by the Supreme Court."

    I won't argue your point. But my point was that no matter what the outcome of our Constitutional process, we must defend it (the process).

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 4:21 p.m.

    So defaulting on our existing loans is government being responsible?

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 4:17 p.m.

    If Obamacare is bad as republicans make it, they should just let the law become law and force the implementation of it as it was passed. Force the democrats hand at implementing it right away and sit back watch it implode.

    But my guess is they are worried it will not implode and fear losing the house in next few election cycles and the presidency.

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    Sept. 30, 2013 4:17 p.m.

    So.....we're $17 TRILLION in debt (that, folks, is the same as 17,000 BILLIONS.....yes, 17,000 billions) and everyone knows it would have been wise had we said this is garbage the very FIRST time we spent more than we took in and held our foolish government representatives accountable.

    However, now that we're $17 trillion in debt, holding government leaders accountable is a bad thing.

    Riiiiiiight....

    Does. Not. Compute.

  • MemoFromA Demo SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 4:14 p.m.

    Sad thing is, Hatch DIDN'T even have the fortitude to cast a vote on the bill the House sent to the Senate. Senator Hatch DIDN'T vote. He and Senator Flake are the only two Republicans who refrained from voting. Oh, if only we had a young, courageous senior senator in the Senate to stand along side Senator Mike Lee and speak in behalf of the people of Utah.

  • dragon12 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 4:05 p.m.

    Any other face but Mr. H. please. Ah well, such is business in Congress. Still not willing to face reality that civil rights has entered the White House. Oh my! Thoughts of shutting down government make them clucking chickens . . . or chickens with heads cut off. It's sixes.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 4:04 p.m.

    Hours before a shutdown of the federal government, 2polls show Americans are directing their wrath atRepublicans.

    2 polls released tonday show Americans are blaming to Republicans in Congress, Democrats and President Obama.

    63%, disapprove of the way the GOP is handling the budget impasse according to an ABC News/Washington Post poll.

    =========

    In a CNN/ORC poll, 69% of Americans say Republicans are acting like "spoiled children". That compares with 58% who say the same about Democrats and 47% who place that label on Obama.

    Obama does the best acting like a "responsible adult" in the CNN/ORC poll: 49% of Americans choose that phrase to describe his behavior. 24% Americans say Republicans are acting responsibly, and 35% say that about Democrats in Congress.

    =====

    @patriot vet
    Cedar City, UT

    True patriots defend and support our Constitution, and accept the Constitutionally elected Executive and Judicial branches. We can't be 2-sided, luke warm or fair-weather cheer leaders. We need to be patriots.

    ---

    [You mean like those Shutting Down the Government over a fully Constitutional law they don't like that was:
    passed by the House,
    passed by the Senate,
    Signed by the President,
    and upheld by the Supreme Court?]

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 4:00 p.m.

    IF you think just Republicans do this, or it has never been done before...

    - How many times did Democrats try to overturn the Bush Tax cuts Congress themselves passed?
    - How many times did Democrats try to de-fund the wars (even after Congress passed the resolution to employ military force in both instances)?
    - How many times did Democrats shut-down the government during the Reagan Administration?

    If you don't know... you have a one-sided memory.

  • patriot vet Cedar City, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 3:17 p.m.

    I hope DN editors will accept my comment.

    True patriots defend and support our Constitution, and accept the Constitutionally elected Executive and Judicial branches. We can't be 2-sided, luke warm or fair-weather cheer leaders. We need to be patriots.

  • Conservative Cedar City, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 2:52 p.m.

    I checked the Constitution. Yes, the majority rules. The Democrats are majority in one of the 2 Legislative Branch houses. And of course they also hold the Executive Branch. The minority may appeal to the courts. Elections do have consequences.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Sept. 30, 2013 2:48 p.m.

    Wow, the Right seems to be really starting to believe their own fantasyland rhetoric (that Republicans are compromisers and not responsible for shutting down the government). These guys could give lessons to Joseph Goebbels.

    Funny though… the look on Hatch’s face in this photo tells a very different story.

    Curious – can anyone cite another time in our history when one chamber of congress sought to undo a specific law in this after the fact game-of-chicken manner?

  • Spellman789 Syracuse, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 2:39 p.m.

    I am a republican, but it is dishonest for our politicians to say it is the Senate not willing to pass legislation to fund the government. The House is deliberately eliminating any reference to the fact that the reason the bill will not pass is that they are trying to sneak in additional items on the ACA. It is the House and the Senate forcing a government shutdown. Why not just pass a bill to fund the government the next fiscal year, and then squabble about the ACA.

  • patriot vet Cedar City, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 1:48 p.m.

    The Republicans have a 54%-46% majority in the House, the Democrats have a 53%-47% majority in the Senate. Therefore, the Legislative Branch is split 50-50. The Executive Branch is Democrat.

    Common sense tells us that the Democrats have a 75%-25% edge over the Republicans in the Government. The Constitution yields the decision-making authority to the majority.

    The Judicial Branch (Supreme Court) can overturn the majority decision. That is the recourse of the minority Republicans with Obamacare.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 1:46 p.m.

    "(Senate Majority Leader) Harry Reid said he's not going to accept anything that the House does,".... and yet the House and Republicans get blamed for not acting (while the Senate Democrats are at home on recess refusing to act on anything the House does).

    I guess you have to drink a lot of coolaid first to follow Reid's logic. The Democrat leader of the Senate says he refuses to act on ANYTHING the House does... so it's the House and Republican's fault?

    If you want to look like the side that will compromise... at least get off recess and be there and say you are ready to look at what they pass!

    You can't reject what they send you and send them something they must accept or else... and then go on vacation... and expect the American people so see YOUR side as the ones who compromised!

  • Jac0m Provo, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 1:42 p.m.

    As long as the NFL doesn't shut down, I'm cool with it.

  • Kirk R Graves West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 1:43 p.m.

    Ute has it right. the US Constitution was crafted not only to balance the different branches of government, but to balance the demands of the majority and the minority.

    Right now, the minority are those in favor of the ACA. Sadly, party politics is more important to most of our politicians than the demands of the majority of the citizens of the US (those apposed to ObamaCare). If they allow the ACA to fail (or even falter) it is an admission that the entire thing was a mistake.

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 1:37 p.m.

    Interesting how Deseret News slants left... if I call the protest at Priesthood meeting "silly" they edit me for being mean and calling names. If the guy "one old man" calls opponents to his liberal view "stupidity", that's okay with the Deseret News because those who they are calling names are on the right, or should I say, In the Right.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 1:26 p.m.

    The spin to shut down has gotten comical in a tragic un-american way.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 1:25 p.m.

    If defunding the ACA is as popular an idea as the GOP would like us to believe then why are the votes not there in both houses and a president in office to do so? there is a reason they have to try to piggy back such a bad idea onto such serious legislation instead of letting it stand on its own.

  • Evets Eagle Mountain, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 1:24 p.m.

    @ oldman and Skeptical....
    It is not the Republicans that refuse to compromise. They have already put up several proposed compromises only to have the Democratic Senate say "No" it must go our way or we don't play.
    Even though I stand to lose a lot in wages during the shutdown I support the Republicans and their efforts to get a reasonable compromise.

  • The Skeptical Chymist SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 12:36 p.m.

    This is hostage-taking at its worst. The right wing couldn't win the presidential election, even though they campaigned against Obamacare, they couldn't win the Senate back because Senate races can't be gerrymandered. They only hold the House because of gerrymandering. Look it up - there were more votes cast for Democratic candidates for the House than for Republicans. Yet, they're going to hold the government hostage - causing real harm to the country in the process. And for what? To prevent Obamacare from taking effect. Get over it! You lost the election. If you want to make Obamacare a better program, come up with real improvements that can be voted on. Otherwise, just get out of the way.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 12:15 p.m.

    Ultra-right wing stupidity at it most virulent.