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Published: Sunday, Sept. 29 2013 6:40 p.m. MDT

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pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

So in order to appear reasonable many here are saying, yes the law is flawed but..., then they move on to some recommendation. I would submit that is at best a false modesty, and at it's worst an untruth.

The law hasn't been implemented yet so how do you know some aspect of the law is not going to work? The claims of disaster are fueled by ideological speculation and mistruths.

I don't need to spend the time here outlining the mistruths, others have done it well. At the same time the reasonable don't need to buy into the ideological paranoia just to appear reasonable, because it isn't reasonable.

christoph
Brigham City, UT

Mr. Obama began debates for the presidency in April 2007; there are no surprises what he stood for and for what he campaigned to do; 18 months later he was elected and there should have been no surprises what he would try to do. John Roberts, one of the brightest people walking the planet, and a very conservative man, cast the deciding vote in the Supreme Court, to let the law go forward, because the people voted for it in 2008. Certainly conservatives don't believe 9 members of a court or 535 members of Congress can over ride the voice of the majority of 300 million people in 2008 and 2012. The law is not perfect and over the decades will be adjusted. The GOP is their own worst enemy, using Obamacare as derogatory term and upset that it is the law named after a living bright man.

Itsjstmeagain
Merritt Island, Fl

It is the law. Several States to include Florida spent millions and went to the Supreme Court to end it. The Right leaning Court said it is the law. Get over it and get to work implementing it, then adjust as necessary as time goes by. Nothing is perfect when first launched, this is no exception.
I do not need the ACA, I have a private policy through my employer. There are millions who need this support, people through no fault of their own can not afford the current commercial policies and have a medical emergency that will put them in bankrupcy and into the streets.
When I hear that a business is dumping there employees from coverage they had, that is simply sinful. Nothing changed for them, just using employees (people) as chattel and political pawns.
Read Dante's inferno, that is your future.

worf
Mcallen, TX

A health Care Bill which is not good enough for Congressmen, their families, and the Obamas. All are exempt from it. The same ones who spend billions in benefits for personal vacations.

I really do hope the health care bill passes, and this country suffers badly from it. Perhaps our country can learn something very rare.--Elect honest leaders.

May our Obama voters get what they voted for, and the rest of us have the ability to ride out the storm.

IMAPatriot2
PLEASANT GROVE, UT

My dream would be to have the federal government stay out of health care, education, work place safety (OSHA), most foreign aid, the post office, etc. etc. etc. I would like them, for once, to protect our borders instead of selectively deciding which laws they will uphold and which constitutional responsibilities they will assume.

I was asked the other day what alternative the republicans had if Obamacare is defunded. My response was I hoped none because I don't want the federal government taking over our health care and using our taxes to fund their social engineering projects. This concept is difficult for most democrats and many republicans to understand.

LDS Libertarian
Farmington, UT

@Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

It would appear that liberals agree more with Huntsman than do conservatives.

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No,
It appears Moderates, Independents, and "former" Republicans [you know, the MAJORITY of Americans] agree more with Huntsman than with "conservatives".

JT4
Salt Lake City, UT

Huntsman is a cunning, crafty fellow. Starting from his days as governor, he realized that if he took the approach of someone like Rocky Anderson, he would run into a stone wall of opposition from Republicans in this state. But if he said, "Look--I'm a Republican like you," and promoted his Rocky-like ideas as "necessary change", that he might be able to convince some people that his ideas were valid. He has since taken this approach to a national level: He professes to be a Republican, against the likes of Barack Obama, yet virtually every idea he submits fits nicely on a Democratic platform, and he (and now also his MSNBC-employed daughter) are darlings of most of the media--and we know where their affiliations lie. As much as I dislike Obama, I am to the point where I dislike Huntsman at least as much because his machinations are every bit as calculated, and in some ways much more so.

Wayne Rout
El Paso, TX

I think it is refreshing to see politicians do what is right rather than what they think popular. Had Huntsman been committed to right principles he might be president now. It is always good to cut government. We certainly have far too many government employees at present. Seeing a few of them have time off without pay shows how much our government is bloated. We should start with a 10% across the board cut of employment and follow that with 5% the following two years. The private sector can cut people, government never can. Another welfare program, like Obama care, is not needed.

BlueHusky
Mission Viejo, CA

Not unexpectedly, Utah writers blast the only sensible voice in the GOP. US healthcare is demonstrably corrupt and unfair. My son could not get health insurance due to a hereditary condition. He's also low income, so he could not afford $1000 per month insurance. Millions of people go without healthcare in the country and yet we spend 12 times as much per person on healthcare as does socialized France. Crazy pricing and irrational coverage is characteristic of US healthcare.

The Book of Mormon speaks in no uncertain terms of our obligation to the poor and needy. Yet many well-heeled Mormons blithely spout the nonsense that the poor don't deserve healthcare because they don't work. Yet working poor simply can't afford healthcare so they burden the emergency wards of our hospitals. How does this make sense?

Denying healthcare to the poor and promoting guns for all is the GOP's legacy to the world. Something to be proud of for sure.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

@IMAPatriot2
PLEASANT GROVE, UT

My dream would be to have the federal government stay out of health care, education, work place safety (OSHA), most foreign aid, the post office, etc. etc. etc.

I was asked the other day what alternative the republicans had if Obamacare is defunded. My response was I hoped none because I don't want the federal government taking over our health care and using our taxes to fund their social engineering projects. This concept is difficult for most democrats and many republicans to understand.
7:48 a.m. Sept. 30, 2013

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Why are you trampling the Constitution?
The Post Office is Constitutionally required.

As to the rest of your comment,
My guess is you don't need or want ACA [Obamacare] because you are already retired and living quite comfortably on "Social Engineering Projects" like Social Security and Medicare.

Meckofahess
Salt Lake City, UT

Very thoughtful and important commentary by former Govenor Huntsman. This is a man that knows how to look at issues and devise "real world" solutions to address difficult problems. Thanks Brother Huntman for sharing your profound wisdom. Please run for the presidency of the United States again, you would make an outstanding President!!!!!!

MemoFromA Demo
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Well, Jon, its again clear why you weren't voted into office. The people of this country don't agree with you.

And to the facts. You say: "Republicans ... can't have an all-or-nothing approach," The bill the House has sent to the Senate isn't an all or nothing approach. They have simply delayed the funding of ObamaCare for one year and striped out the tax on medical devices. Thats far from "all or nothing"! Not only that, Obama himself has subverted the law by giving special exemptions to some and delaying implementation of certain portions of ObamaCare. If he isn't for all or nothing, why should Congress have to settle for "almost all or nothing"?

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

To LDS Liberal aka LDS Libertarian who are obviously the same person (I hope you didn't "like" each others' comments):

True conservatives are still a formidible political force in this country. Unfortunately, there have not been a good number of "true conservatives" to vote for. Too many people like Jon Huntsman put on the Republican badge and claim to espouse Republican ideals but in reality would feel much more comfortable in the Democratic party.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

The liberals here simply are ignorant of the connection between morality, economics, and liberty. Admirably, they want to help the poor; sickeningly, to put it mildly, they see nothing wrong with theft from others to accomplish their goal of helping the poor. When will people realize that Robin Hood was a criminal, no matter how he is depicted in fairy tales. If you steal from someone to accomplish something else, you are no Christian.

Meckofahess
Salt Lake City, UT

FRED44. Sir, your comment is dead on!. As a Healthcare Professional for the last 35 years, I can tell you that our existing healtcare system (Hospitals in particular) is extremely broken. If you get sick, you may lose everything you have if you don't have insurance, or if you don't have anything to lose the taxpayers will pick up the bill when you go to the ER. The fees that our Hospitals and Providers charge have no basis in reality - they are based largely on greed. The American Healtchare system costs much more than the systems in any other industrialized nation, yet the quality of our care and outcomes on many matricies is inferior to those other countries. Thank goodness for President Obama's courge to steer us in the right direction. Senator Lee and cohorts in the GOP have not given us any reasonable alternatives to fix our broken system. Until the present some better ideas, they are largely irrelevant in the conversation.

milner
Centerfield Sanpete, UT

Looks like the only person that has any sense in the Congress or Senate from Utah is Orin Hatch! The rest of them need to be voted out!

Esquire
Springville, UT

Huntsman is correct, even if he is a come-lately to the debate. And Matheson is more duplicitous than I thought in his rationale for supporting the GOP in this hostage taking debacle. Wouldn't it be nice if he would just switch parties and stop pretending? He sure isn't driven by principle nor is he a profile in courage.

Meckofahess
Salt Lake City, UT

I long for the days when the state of Utah will once again produce intelligent, thinking statemen like Jon Huntsman. He was probably the best Governor the state of Utah has ever had. How disappointing it is that Utah cannot produce more men and women to run for Congress that are up to the standards set by Jon Huntsman. Utah deserves better representation for our state than Mike Lee. Jon Huntsan, please run for the U.S. Senate or for the Presidency. You will have my vote and dollars to help!!!

Anti Government
Alpine, UT

Huntsman? Just a political chameleon who will literally say/do anything to gain power. These politicians sell their souls, integrity, and everything else for power. They are drunk on it and will do anything to maintain it and that generally goes for both parties.

That being said Republicans generally stand for liberty and freedom, moreso than democrats for sure at least.

There are very very few principled politicians left. By that I mean regardless of the uphill battle the right thing to do is the right thing to do regardless if you have all of the govt corruption against you or not.

I understand that people who falsely believe that govt solves their problems don't like Mike Lee and Ted Cruz. One only look at the mess our country is in and the easy trace it takes to see that govt literally has created many of the problems we face.

Dems refuses to negotiate/compromise. They refuse to use common sense and yet liberals line up like a blind sheep and keep voting to expand govt. As long as selfish liberals live in their me-first/whats-in-it-for-me bubble this downward spiral will continue.

justamacguy
Manti, UT

Everything was fine for 30 years of coverage. Now Obamacare has sure helped me. Each year since it was enacted my premiums have gone up and coverage has shank from my insurance company.

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