I can't help but want to laugh my guts out when one of the oppressed Uggies
pipes in with "they took our color, those nasty big shots". I
wasn't aware that the great scientists at what the 300th rated national
university in the US invented the color blue. I've read archeology of the
Indus Valley where around 12,500 BC the residents developed indigo coloring from
a slime found in shellfish, but I guess all the books have it wrong. But what
else can one expect, but whining: "they steal our guys while on
missions" ," they make us play on neutral courts".... Please call
the WaaaaBulance for the Uggie fans.
I think the Cougar nation would be a whole lot more comfortable if Socrates
didn't have so much faith in Crisco Fingers returning kicks. Three fumbled
kicks in one game, with the offense barely having a measurable pulse? Yet JD
comments on how happy he is to have the full faith of his head coach, just what
does this kid have to do to lose the job? He's a tough slot receiver but
you have to know every time he sees a kick sailing through the sky towards him,
he'll remember the three flubs. Middle Tenn wasn't one of the more
difficult matches Wisconsin and Notre Dame provide those thrills you just
can't risk a screw-up when the wiggle room is so small. Loyalty is fine,
but not at the risk of a loss. Keep Crisco Fingers on the bench during special
Some have been critical of MTSU being a community college level team, if so you
don't understand southern football. Schools like MTSU are full of great
players that in most cases don't have the grades to get into the "BIG
BOY" schools. It's not their ability to play the game, just grades.
In fact some JC in the south could beat any team in the MT west. If you think
I'm wrong just look at Bosie State a lot of their players would be playing
at any school they wanted but couldn't make the grades. So don't put
down some of the smaller schools, they just might have better players than the Y
or the U!,,,
Middle T. State is a Division 1 school, Weber State is not. Neener neener
neener.Are you kidding me BYU fans? No you are not. Another page out of
the dusty playbook-comparing scheduled teams.Remember that BYU owns
scheduling Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico State....You built a legacy out of
playing them, they are also Division 1 schools. They are your Weber State.
GoRed: Well I won't apologize for driving you crazy, though that
wasn't my intent. I also never said BYU was superior...if you took it that
way what does it say about Utah fans' self image? I was saying BYU and
Utah are very close in terms of how good they are and the athletes they have yet
BYU, for what ever reason can't pull out a win against them, while being
able to compete with and beat other PAC programs similar to Utah in talent. My
point was simply that Utah isn't so superior to BYU that they should have 4
wins in a row...that's what frustrates BYU fans.As for
people's arguments of yardage...yards are yards & points are points
regardless how you get them...bottom line BYU & USU got more yardage than
Utah, but Utah got more points. It just shows how equal these teams are , but
this yr bragging rights belong to Utah. Really nothing more of relevance to
argue about. Go Cougs!
I'd rather be a fan of a team that is working, has heart and fighting for a
chance at a Rose bowl berth than an independent program with no heart, living 30
years in the past, never looking to improve once they get to the extensive patsy
portion of their WAC schedule. Look at yourselves, thumping your chest over
Eastern Southern Northern Upper Lower Junior high. At least when the Utes took
on Weber State they managed to break 40 points. I hate to break it to you BYU
Uncle Rico types, Utah has won 4 in a row including 54-10 beatdown, Utah is the
@TatorsAre you serious? The fact that BYU ran almost 30 more plays than
Utah did but was never in control only goes to show how bottled up BYU was
against the U. I think BYU's average was about 4 yards per play while the
Utae were over 6 yards per play. What good does it do to run a high number of
poor plays?As far as Utah vs Utah State, any win over the aggies is an
impressive win. BYU is about to find out how impressive.
I think despite what others will say Byu is improving each week !!!I
also want to point out that Middle Tense is 2-2 and are pretty good in Tense.I also want to say good luck Chuckie Keeton my vote fore the Heisman.
Middle Tennessee State?
@So. Cal ReaderYou're sick of watching Hill run? You're sick of
watching BYU pound the ball? During the Lavell years, we often complained that
we could not run and that our defense was too slow.As for playing
MTSU ... well, Utah played Weber State. Oregon State got beaten by Central
Washington. Look at the monsters PAC12 and SEC teams routinely schedule.As for USU, well, this should be a good game. Let's see if BYU is
improving or just took advantage of a smaller team. Probably BYU will be running
their first-team offense this time, unless they have some more rule-breakers.
I'll take the points if any USU fan is offering.
@ Tators"The reason both Aggie and BYU fans are not all that
overly impressed with Utah's wins is that in both games, Utah had less
offensive production... less yardage, fewer first downs and less time of
possession... similar to both games last year. That tends to make those wins a
lot less impressive"The only thing that matters is the final
score. Period! Better teams do what they need to do to win the game. BYU and USU
had more offensive production. Big deal! Utah had more points on the board at
the end of the game against both in state teams. What does that say about BYU
and USU?Let's all stop making excuses and give credit where
credit is due. Utah is the best team in the state this year. The Beehive Boot is
coming back to Salt Lake City.
@go redMTSU is a pretty good football team that typically goes to
bowls. MTSU has a good chance at 8-9 wins this season and may end up winning its
league. They are a D-1 program not a D-2 program such as Weber State.
@gonefishnExactly. Just this morning I watched the BYU/Utah game
replay on BYUtv. (Disclaimer: When BYU and Utah play, I root for Utah). But
listening to Dave McCann and Blaine Fowler was sooooo much more pleasant that
listening to Greg Wrubel.It's obvious that McCann and Fowler
lean towards BYU (duh!), but they are so much more level headed in calling the
game.You're right that Wrubel has a ton of info and stats, but
much like David Locke, it just get to be too much to listen to. I know people
call Dick Harmon a BYU homer, but Wrubel makes Harmon look like he's
rooting for Utah.
@cincinatusYou are spot on, Greg Wrubel is horrible. I know he is the
cougar announcer and he is supposed to be a bit of a homer but he never just
plays it straight. He is always screaming and he does not just shade the
coverage he paints his bias in neon. To his credit he has a wealth of
info, just supper annoying.
Ute trolls and negative BYU fans should remember that Middle Tennessee State is
a division 1 school which belongs to a conference (big deal to people like Chris
B) and went into yesterday's game with an identical record to Utah... their
only loss being to North Carolina.
The reason both Aggie and BYU fans are not all that overly impressed with
Utah's wins is that in both games, Utah had less offensive production...
less yardage, fewer first downs and less time of possession... similar to both
games last year. That tends to make those wins a lot less impressive.
Go Red...they are a div 1 FBS team, unlike Weber. Know your facts before you
post, people like you is what drives BYU fans crazy.
@GoRedMTSU is a division 1 school, not division 2. They're in
Wow, 5 TO - more work to doTaysom Hill above 60 percent passing -
keep on working to make it betterReceivers - not dropping balls -
keep on working to make it betterMid Tenn not much of a threat - USU
Aggies, almost beat "u" and "USC", we need the luck to winGrade - still in progressFunny, this Blue Raiders with MT
logo on helmet came close to be MTC (WEIRD).
@cougsndawgsYour response to JohnJJHS above is what drives most Ute
fans crazy. Your post implies that BYU's football team is superior to
Utah, but just happens to get beaten by them year after year, as if there were
no logical explanation. Try this: Utah's teams are better. Deal with it.
As far as competition is concerned, if Utah had played a Division 2
school like Middle Tennessee State this week, cougar fans would be flooding the
comments section, making fun of the Utes. It's the same old double
standard that Ute fans have come to deal with, with your fan base.By
the way, what is it with Hill playing deep into the 4th quarter? I mean,
Pipes."Before anybody gets too excited, it's only Middle
Tennessee". Hello they're a Div. 1 school. Who did the U and Aggies
play? and ran up the score. Weber!
5 turnovers were awful, yes. But 3 of them either came around mid-field or deep
in MTSU territory. The one Falslev punt fumble deep in Cougar territory did
result in a MTSU TD. The interception (a right-in-the-numbers pass that was
tipped into the air by a RB trying to run before the catch) was thankfully
followed by an interception by the Cougar D. Otherwise, it would have turned
into points.My point is, it depends on where you are turning the
ball over. You can survive turnovers deep in the other teams territory, and
sometimes even at mid-field (when you have a good defense). You can't
survive multiple turnovers in your own end.
"this game was no where near the final score."Huh? The
outcome of the game IS the final score. Oh, I see- the Cougs should have really
won the game 60-0.Sorry, no. The final score was 37-10. BYU
couldn't even put as many points on the board against MTSU as they did
against the vaunted Longhorns. This is what worries me with BYU football. This
idea that beating a smaller program whose SOS is one of the lowest in the
nation, somehow says, "we've improved and we're better than
ever."USU is going to be a tough game and will be far more
telling about actual improvement than playing MTSU.Last night,
listening to KSL, I finally understood where a lot of this attitude stems from-
Greg Wrubel. I can't tell you how many times he said things like, "
That should have been a touchdown- but he got stopped," or "That call
(or play, or miscue, or interception) shouldn't really be held against him.
It wasn't REALLY his fault." That's what so frustrating about
listening to him. He's not an announcer, he's a cheerleader who
can't see BYU doing anything wrong.
TheBleakJust a reminder, Taysom Hill has already beaten the best
Aggie team in history. Chuckie Keeton is 0-2 against two good but inconsistent
BYU teams.If anyone has something to prove, it's Mr. Keeton.
"Before any one gets too excited, it was Middle Tennessee State."Middle Tennessee has more wins this season than Air Force and SJSU
combined. The Aggies haven't beaten anyone yet, either.
Props to Tom Smart on the photo gallery.
These cross regional games are good for college football, and pay off in the
long run with relationships that develop and are leveraged long after
they're played. MTSU is a pretty decent school in that region through the
years, and for an independent like BYU - a good scheduling choice. Coaches and
ADs talk - a lot, and you can never tell when someone will get a new job and
influence scheduling at a big name school. And, this game was no where near
the final score. Absent totally uncharacteristic punt fumbles by Falslev, it
was a normal game. The BYU-USU game should be a great one !
Striker-Sacking Keaton all night, eh? One of the most elusive quarterbacks
in the Nation, and though he has struggled a little bit the last two games,
still one of the best.I will keep an eye out for all of those sacks that you
proclaim will happen, but odds are Keaton will escape and beat you with his
legs, e.g. the UofU game.Should be a good game, and it will really
show use what Hill is actually capable of when playing a good team after a good
performance. (though any team that loses after gaining five turnovers is
garbage.)As well as Keaton's ability to bounce back and reclaim his
stride.The Aggs have a much better defense, great linebackers, and a great
ability to stop the run; and, their offence can produce. For this reason, I
think they will win.I am curious to see who the real Taysom Hill is, this
game will be the best indicator so far. Two bad games, two good games, which one
will take the best of five?Go Aggies!27-20for the Aggs.
This game did nothing for me. Yes, a win is always the objective of any game.
But if other Cougs fans are excited about this win, I don't know what they
saw that I missed. I'm beyond done watching Hill run. This is the "up
tempo" offensive juggernaut we read so much about? How imaginative is Hill
doing the quarterback draw up the middle. And don't get too excited about
this "passing numbers" from this game, against a very weak Mid Tenn
JohnJacobJHS:"Now onward to a bowl game built on beating more
directional community colleges!"And for the Utes, onward to your
cellar and whipping boy status, and Salvation Army bell ringing for the
holidays. 2-7 is looking just about right for the Utes in conference. Why BYU
can beat everyone else in your conference and has decent records against the PAC
but continues to play crappy and lose to Utah is beyond me, but don't let
it go to your head. Wins against a struggling BYU program is all Utah has
anything to talk about, and it will be such for the foreseeable future. Enjoy.
Thomas Jefferson, I don't see the entitlement problem, sorry. This team
knows they have to earn their positions and play by the rules (see KVN, Hadley,
Hoffman, the entire O-line after the Virginia game).
Wow, nothing like beating up on Eastern Western Northern Southern Community
College of Tennessee to brighten up BYU Cougar fan's day. No incentive to
get better when playing these kind of schools puffs up your self esteem after a
tough loss. Now onward to a bowl game built on beating more directional
@Aggie84 - "I think it will be another defensive battle which will give the
Aggies the advantage."I'm hoping you are right - that it
will be a defensive battle, because I think BYU is a better defensive team than
the Aggies. But I will give USU the edge on the offense. I think it should be
a great game.
Great win Cougars! Great to see Hill finally starting to come around as a
passer to compliment his running. Much improvement from the last game but alas
it was disappointing to see another problem with turnovers. Hope we won't
repeat that against the Aggies or we'll surely suffer another defeat.Also disappointed to hear of Hoffman's team rule violation. It
would've been great to see him last night when Hill finally started to find
his touch. He lost a chance to add significantly to his totals to break and set
every receiving records he's after at BYU. Glad also to see
Jamaal Williams recovering nicely from his injury.Go Cougars!
The first picture shows Hill lunging in for a touchdown despite all Middle
Tennessee and one ref can do to keep him out of the end zone!
9 penalties for 80 yards in the first half. Does that mean it's just not
PAC 12 officials that "have it in" for the coogs? It couldn't
possibly be sloppy play.
MTSU is really good at turnovers, so don't expect this to be a recurring
thing. Didn't BYU just emphasize turnovers for weeks? Back to the drawing
board. Looking forward to Van Noy, Fua, and Beck pressuring and
sacking Keaton all night. Don't give me the "usu's offensive line
is amazing and stout" garbage. The team is 20th in the nation in sacks.
Even SJSU got him twice.
Before any one gets too excited, it was Middle Tennessee State.
If BYU thinks that they can beat good teams with 5 turnovers, they better think
again. It won't happen. They need to take better care of the ball.
I think it will be another defensive battle which will give the Aggies the
advantage. Much better all around offense. We will see which true blue will win.
I believe that we will win. The original True Blue of Utah. Go Aggies
A win is a win is a win.Take it and drive on.Go Cougars!
Offense gotta step it up. You give USU five turn overs Chuckie be running
around for five TD. Rise Up