Published: Saturday, Sept. 28 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
Apparently there are some who go about their lives serving God according to the
dictates of their own consciences, yet hear different dictation. Of course in
the mormon world they can be denied a hearing but surely acknowledging their
existence in the media doesn't constitute imbalanced reporting, does it?
I appreciate the letter - especially coming from an author who many would feel
would sympathize with feminists due to her political background. In my
experience talking with people I would say that for every "Mormon
feminist" there are closer to 20, 50, or 100 women who go about faithfully
serving and living their religion and don't have any issues with the
Priesthood leadership or church policies.
You are my hero! I have thought and expressed exactly the same sentiments.
Those of us who are strong women and devoted Saints need to get the word out
that we don't have a problem with our place in the community of the Church.
We all have the opportunity to serve where we are most needed and don't
appreciate others telling us how "oppressed" we are. And, who's
got the time to listen to those whiners, anyway?
It is a matter of justice. If one believes Mormon doctrine then Jesus is the
literal son of God and Mary, a woman. Man had no part in it but somehow man
ends up controlling Jesus's church and women are excluded from the
presidency. How did women get ruled out from the top positions devotion and
I don't see how one article constitutes an imbalance.I remember
vaguely long ago Elder Jeffrey Holland speaking at our evening Stk Conference
meeting. He recounted an incident where there was a meeting ostensibly with the
12 and I presume the leaders of the Gen. Relief Society, when they were ushering
the women out so they could continue their meeting, one of the women poked her
head back in the door and said something to the effect of "if you want to
know about the missionary program you should ask the mothers." I have long thought women in the church deserved more of a role in
decision-making, and that our input would be invaluable. This issue
reminds me somewhat of an animal, raised in a cage and then set free, initially
being reluctant to escape its cage because it doesn't know any different.
Hutterite, if you read Ms. Cropper's letter more carefully, you'll see
that she's not complaining about the media "acknowledging [the]
existence" of so-called Mormon feminists. She said they are reporting the
"'plight' of the modern Mormon woman," as if all Mormon women
are suffering by being denied the priesthood. Unless a greater proportion of
news stories are appearing which reflect the satisfaction of the vast majority
of Mormon women with the status quo, then yes, that's imbalanced reporting.
Equal partners with different roles. As a man, my role eliminates my ability to
bear children, therefore I should waste my life fighting that reality? Do
something wonderful with your gift of life and your role in it, not waste it
fighting the way things were ordained by the Creator. In which we all agreed to
participate and contribute in our roles.
Re:MountanmanAnatomically you are correct. Men can't bear
children, but they create children. Is there anything anatomically wrong with
women that they couldn't have the priesthood? What about women who are
physically unable to have children? Using your logic shouldn't barren
women then get the priesthood?This whole theme of equating
priesthood authority with pregnancy, labor and delivery is ridiculous.
Between the two sexes, In my opinion, out of the three gifts that you can give
and still keep. [your smile, your heart and your word]. the girls take first
@ Truthseeker. Men and women have different divinely appointed roles but are
equal partners. You can believe that or not but you can not change it and
man's logic has nothing to do with it. Who would want to belong to any
church who's teachings have been made over in the image of a mortal
man's (or woman's) "logic"?
Truthseeker, you said, "I don't see how one article constitutes an
imbalance." I don't know what single article you're referring to,
but I'm pretty sure Ms. Cropper is writing about the many national news
stories about the latest Ordain Women activities. You also implied that the
Church may not value the input of women. I don't have space enough here to
cite my proof to the contrary, but just google "input of women" at
lds.org and see what you get. Or attend ward council.Having said
that, I must say I completely agree with your statement, "equating
priesthood authority with pregnancy, labor and delivery is ridiculous."
You're right. Maternity is not the female complement to the priesthood. The
ability to give birth in this life has no bearing (so to speak) on the divine
role of women. There is no reason to assign "equivalent" roles anyway.
Attempts by some commenters here to divide up responsibilities by gender are
misguided. Elder Ballard said, "In the eternal perspective, both the
procreative power and the priesthood power are shared by husband and wife."
@Anonyme"I'm pretty sure Ms. Cropper is writing about the
many national news stories about the latest Ordain Women activities."Please name some of the "national news" outlets carrying these
stories. There was a tiny story in the LA Times 6 months ago about Mormon women
(and it was hardly on subject or biased); a search of the NY Times retrieves
zero stories on anything similar to this subject.People outside Utah
generally don't care about (or even think) about Mormons and Mormon issues.
Ethnocentric Utahns try to project interest, but it isn't there. If this
is really a national issue you would think the liberal New York Times would have
at least one recent article on the subject. I agree wholeheartedly
that "equating priesthood authority with pregnancy, labor and delivery is
ridiculous." I find people who can’t engage in intellectual discourse
(or do not have logical arguments) like to brush off challenges to their
thinking with ridiculous statements that make no sense. We saw it with Prop 8
and we see it here. When asked about women someday holding the
priesthood, President Hinckley did not rule out the possibility. Some posters
pretend to know more than he.
You're right, Wastintime. I shouldn't have assumed that the original
letter writer was speaking of "many national news stories," although the
story is a current AP release and appears on the ABC News website as well as
local news outlets outside of Utah. But my original statement was misleading.
After Ordain Women was officially and publicly launched during April
conference last year, LDS spokeswoman Jessica Moody made this statement:
“The practice of ordaining men to the priesthood was established by Jesus
Christ himself and is not a decision to be made by those on Earth.”
Re: "Any woman worth her testimony fully understands that the God she
worships loves her and recognizes her greatness . . . ."As does
any man worth his testimony.I humbly bow to Sis. Cropper's
superior wisdom, intellect, experience, and ability to express them.I have a lot of experience bowing to the wisdom of my better 95%.
Re: " How did women get ruled out from the top positions [of?] devotion and
authority."Well, I don't pretend to know much about the
mind of God, but my experience tells me that if the Lord permitted women to
administer Church and Priesthood, they'd do so well at it that most men
would feel unneeded and become less active, devoting themselves to hunting,
fishing, riding four-wheelers, and watching football on Sundays, rather than
attending to the weightier matters.I think God permits the Church to
be less well-run than it could be, if left to the Relief Society, for men's
Wastintime,Please read the New York Times, listen to NPR, Time magazine,
etc. There is a lot of talk about the Church and women in the Church and has
been for years. Ethnocentric may describe Utah somewhat, but I'll take my
membership and lifestyle over any other I've seen. If you look around, the
world is in pretty bad shape while the Church and its members thrive while
helping others do the same. If you have something better to offer, I'm
happy to hear it. Please note that I am engaging in logical discourse. Whether
you agree or disagree, you have my best wishes.
The greatest calling anyone can ever have on this earth is that of
"MOTHER".A calling no man will ever truly have.Not one of those women demanding the priesthood must have ever been involved
in a Ward Council, in a Ward Relief Society Presidency, Young Women's
Presidency, Primary Presidency or Cub Scout Master and Assistant Cub Master.If they had they would know that leadership comes to women, our voices are
heard, our thoughts have great weight and our input is invaluable. Of course, these are all callings and you can not force your way into a
calling. The Lord calls those who are worthy and willing, not those who
are seeking unrighteous dominion over the souls of his children!
Re:countymomI would agree that being a mother has been the greatest
(and at times, the hardest) "calling" ever. And my husband
would say the same about being a father.But i would also say,
pregnancy, labor and delivery are nowhere on the list of what was great about
being a mother-nor are they required for a woman to become a mother.Personally, for me, I have no desire to be in a "leadership" position,
but I can imagine standing side by side with my husband to give our children
blessings. And, i don't the women asking our leaders (do you?)
to petition the Lord, so I wouldn't judge their life experiences nor their
hearts. But I would be open to receiving the priesthood if/when it becomes
available to me.Re:AnonymeThough i don't necessarily
agree with what you said, thank you for a civil and respectful critique, a very
rare commodity and one to emulate.
What some people don't realize is the Priesthood organization we have here
on earth is the Lord's affirmative action program for men. It helps them
develop those qualities that are innate in women. Generally speaking.
President David O MacKay told us that there is no greater calling then
motherhood. I was quoting the prophet.I am not sure what labor and
delivery have to do with having the priesthood or not but hey, I am willing to
let men experience it.If you have studied the scriptures, you will
know of many women over the generations of this planet that have been
prophetesses and priestesses. These women have one thing in common, they
are all called of God. As are the wives of our General Authorities and the
Auxiliary leaders of the Church. No man is called to any position of leadership
without the blessing and support of his wife. Nor is a woman called
without the support of her husband. Callings can not be forced and
demanding the Lord give you authority to act in his name is more then foolish it
is a sign of disobedience and pride. Isaiah speaks at length about
our day and the haughty daughters of Zion. Sisters do not be like this, we will
suffer greatly for our pride.
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