I think it's inspiring for ALL young girls out there! Girls can be
fashionable, trendy AND MODEST!A lot of the girls out there do dress up so
"boys will like them" and she'll catch the eye of hr crush etc I
think it's a great message from guys saying hey we don't need all
that!! We like you just the way you are!! We don't want low cut shirts, or
short shorts, etcKudos for the kids and Alex Boye!! DISCLAIMER: I am not
Mormon. I saw this song on FB on a friend's wall who's NOT MORMON,
ANshe had shared it from ANOTHER NON MORMON friend. We're all Christians of
different denominations yet, we all share a love for Modesty!! What a great
thing to teach our GIRLS!!
Bill McGee - Keep fighting the good fight. You said exactly what I wanted to
say, were I better with words. To those who just want us to 'relax'
and 'stop finding fault' blah blah blah... Seriously? No, when I
think something is wrong, I hope people will speak up, and not just roll with
it. This is one area -where how little we think about the inherent problems
with the modesty dialogue- is extremely damaging and upsetting and needs to be
discussed more and with more open minds.
Some people just have to find fault with everything. Is there anything they
enjoy in life without any criticism? I'm feeling sorry for all you
critics! Just enjoy it!
terra nova, the question of copyright infringement is not ridiculous. The
McDonalds comparison doesn't have any bearing. The LDS Church has to be
very careful that it, or anyone associated with it, not be placed in positions
where they can be accused of infringement of the law. I don't think I or
Impartial 7 accused anyone of anything. For my part, I'm just cautioning
anyone using copyright materials to be sure they are aboveboard. The groups
producing these videos may have been in this case, but the tenor of the article
doesn't reveal whether they were or were not.
Having fun with Alex or not, this video continues to toss girls under the bus,
making them responsible for boys with no self-control. So, no, this song cannot
be good as a catalyst for discussions on modesty. We have that in abundance
already. What it is, is simply piling on and reinforcing a dangerous and
damaging stereotype. At some point, we need to take a stand against this sort of
offensive, male-centric view of the world. After that, every single example of
this sort of nonsense needs to be called out. Including this video.
The kids were having fun with Alex. It is not designed to be the
"last word" on morality or the philosophy of modesty. Parody is often
limited by the source material. Perhaps the detractors can get together and
make a better video. Yes, there are weaknesses to the song. Yes,
guys will leer at a well-turned ankle if that's all they've got to
work with in Burkaville. The biology of attraction is problematic. But it is
no small part of species propagating. There is merit in talking
about modesty. This song may be a catalyst. Can we let it be good for that?Accusing this group of copyright infringement is ridiculous (sort of
like suing McDonalds for not explaining how hot your egg-mcmuffin may be).
There may be a tortured form of legal merit in the suit, but it only serves to
underscore the why that line from Shakespeare, "First thing, we kill all the
lawyers," remains memorable four-hundred years after is was written.
This video is a perfect example of everything that is wrong with the
modesty/guardians of virtue movement. In one place the video lyrics
say that girls don't need guys who only judge them with their eyes, and
later they say that girls need to understand why boys need their modesty.Which is it?Girls cannot be responsible for protecting boys
from whatever ideas are running through their minds. They have one
responsibility - to get dressed in the morning. Boys need to learn to control
their eyes and their libidos, and to see girls as human beings with real
feelings and value, and not parts or property - even if their shoulders or
knees are showing.The worst part is that the leaders who made this,
and the boys who participated - and maybe even the women who viewed it - have no
idea how utterly wrong it is. It sends EXACTLY the wrong message to girls - it
is blaming and shaming - and it also hurts the boys by telling them they are
helpless victims of their biology. Everyone loses as long as this is
the irresponsible message we choose to feed to our children.
Redneck Lefty & Logit: I'm not sure there's a conflict in your
statements. Our Western Europe and American idea of beauty is more of an
attitude we have about the term "beauty" in our culture, especially when
we couple it up with fashion, sexual attraction, pride, and arrogance.The
Navajo culture has a better view: coupling such English adjectives as beautiful,
harmonious, balanced, peaceful, blessed, joyful, up together is a single word
"hozho" that is difficult to express in English. But the LDS 13th
Article of Faith comes as close as anything in the English Language can come,
though the Navajo view contains much more than even expressed in that short
statement. I'm not sure this Alex Boye or similar adaptions of the
"One Direction" song promotes living up to the 13th Article of Faith,
but they may do it in part. It's one of those concepts we need to stress
over and over from several directions.
Luke Nelson: "fair use" is difficult to define, as it is different for
the particular medium involved: printed matter such as books, video, sheet
music, recordings, etc., and a number of other things. What specifics from the
copyright law did you have in mind that declares this use "fair?"A
more pertinent question is: did all these LDS groups get permission from the
copyright holders? If too many groups are pursuing that route, there's
bound to be a question arise as to how much the use is impacting their rights.
@Impartial7Parody is covered under Fair Use.
@RedneckLefty, boys (or girls) telling girls (or boys) what they find pleasing
and attractive isn't "indoctrination"; it's communication.
There's no conspiracy here, no underhandedness or rhetorical slight of
hand. I think we can put away our misogyny micro-detector and just enjoy a
video that playfully opposes the main stream media's most frequent message
to young women.
Sorry to be the party pooper, but I can't stand this video.While the intent is fine, making a video with a bunch of boys telling girls
how to dress in order to please boys still indoctrinates girls that the way they
dress should be a function of men's desires.If a girl dresses
immodestly because she thinks it will make boys like her more, that's a
shame.If a girl dresses modestly because she thinks it will make
boys like her more, that's also a shame--because it still teaches her that
her main asset is her ability to attract boys.In both cases,
girls' virtue is being judges on their manner of dress--by a leering
@InspectorC: When I think back to the years that I lived in SL valley, modestey
is not an attribute that comes to mind when reflecting on my interactions with
the Mormons I lived beside and worked with. That is all.
Did they get permission, or pay royalties to One Direction? If not, what they
did was illegal.
@Bob Bohey Re: "oxymoron""I do not think it means what
you think it means."Great job Alex and the Boys. So fun! Lucky
girls in the Sandy Lone Peak Stake!
@ Bob Bohey---Care to explain your statement in enough detail that
we can all understand what you're talking about? thx!
Mormon modesty? Oxymoron?
I have never seen a video make me smile soooo much! Thanks guys! This will
make a difference!
Weekly Alex Boye story...check.
This is fantastic!! Good job to all involved :)
Awesome job guys and everyone involved in making this!