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Embracing the grind: 10 things the Utes must do to be successful this time around in the Pac-12

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  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 1, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    u25

    Maybe for a week or two, but they always come back; just like the Swallows do

  • u25 West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 1:15 p.m.

    The y trolls will go away after getting blown out at logan on Saturday.

  • Samurai Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 11:43 a.m.

    @Tators (and other YbU poster trolls):

    0-4. Shhhhhhhh.

    Go Utes!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Sept. 30, 2013 8:34 a.m.

    I love it, now the BYU fans are playing the old, "one game doesn't make a season" card. How lame. I'm sure two games (i.e. Virginia) or 3, or 4, or 5 don't either. Every loss get's swept quickly under the rug. Anything, and I mean anything, but admit that they lost to a better team and give that team credit. What a sad M.O. Make up excuses and spin the fact they lost. It's funny though, when Oregon State lost to E. Washington; that made their season in the Blue eyed fans. A double standard indeed!

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Sept. 29, 2013 8:58 p.m.

    SportsFan
    Orem, UT
    Ranked, or not, Texas is still a big name team, certainly a MUCH bigger name than most of the "bcs" teams the Utes have bragged about beating over the years.

    _________

    Right, because that is the only "name" that you can boast about recently. Only BYU fans brag about beating New Mexico State, Idaho and Idaho State.
    Everyone knows Texas is a dumper team this season.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Sept. 29, 2013 8:50 p.m.

    Tators
    Hyrum, UT
    @ Chris B and wannabes:

    It's a good thing Utah is not playing today. It allows one more week to live in a dream land.

    _______

    Speaking from experience? Every week is dream land for BYU fans.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 5:18 p.m.

    You just knew that it would only be a matter of time before BYU fans (I mean byu fans" as duckhunter/sports are great, etc. would say) would be conveniently forgetting their annual beat down at the hands of the Utes, and come onto our boards and trash talk. I just didn't think it would be so quickly, even by their selective memory standards.

    byu "fans", a quick rule-refresher for you. After you get beaten in the rivalry game, you forfeit your trash-talking rights for a year. In this case, it has been four years in a row, 5 of 6, 9 of 12, and overall 57-34-4.

    I think you can see why so many of us Ute fans would rather never play your team. In your eyes, you win even though you lose on the field.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 5:16 p.m.

    anti BCS
    I just looked at the rankings and found that our Utes received a vote in USA Today. It's interesting that they come in right behind Oregon St. Of course, it's only USA so who cares, really.

    Tough, tough schedule ahead but the team and the fans are up to the challenge. You see, anti BCS, the Pac-12 is a fabulous place to be. A week in and week out challenge, high quality games, Pac-12 Network, etc., etc. I know it's hard for you to understand what it's like being in an elite conference...you'll just have to take our word for it.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 4:04 p.m.

    Rockwell: "Even with a loss to Utah, BYU will be ranked ahead of Utah when the new rankings come out Monday"

    Don't have to wait till Monday. Those ratings you look to as holy writ came out today, and you know what happened? That domination over powerhouse Middle Tennessee State bumped the Cougars all the way from 43 up to (drum roll)... 43! Meanwhile, on a bye week, Utah went to 32.

    I'm not using this information to gloat (as you already prematurely did), but simply as evidence of the flaws in these computer-generated ratings. Now you're in a precarious position; admitting that these ratings are flawed is admission that their past results were flawed. By sticking to them, you're admitting that the Utes are clearly better than the Cougs.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Sept. 29, 2013 3:50 p.m.

    JohnInSLC

    Who said anything about beating not being much to brag about? BYU is now Utah's bowl game beating BYU is the ONLY thing Utah fans have bragged about incessantly since joining the PAC.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 1:42 p.m.

    SF:

    You're right. Beating BYU is not much to brag about these days. I stand corrected.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 8:56 a.m.

    Ranked, or not, Texas is still a big name team, certainly a MUCH bigger name than most of the "bcs" teams the Utes have bragged about beating over the years.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 6:30 p.m.

    "since when do pre- or mid-season rankings count as beating a ranked team?"

    SF:

    Ask your silly fellow coug. He brought up the y's win over Texas as something to crow about, then asked a question that I answered.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 5:59 p.m.

    JohnInSLC

    Silly ute, since when do pre- or mid-season rankings count as beating a ranked team?

    By that definition, BYU beat, no destroyed, 15th-ranked Texas just a couple of weeks ago, yet Utah fans are saying that Texas isn't a very good team. Isn't a team ranked in the Top 15, by definition, a very good team?

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 4:46 p.m.

    1) "You also said Utah would beat OSU and Texas would beat BYU... neither of which happened."
    1) "Their obsessions with all things BYU simply never ends"

    Tators:

    Glass houses!
    1) You predicted the y would beat UVa and Utah. . . Neither of which happened.
    2) Says a y "fan" commenting on a Utah story.

    I see that big win against Directional State got you out of the funk you were in all last week.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 4:39 p.m.

    "Remind us that last time the Utes had a significant win over a ranked . . . opponent."

    P-man:

    Silly cougar--it was September 15, 2012, when Utah beat BYU, who was ranked 25th in the AP poll afer opening wins over Wazzu and . . . (wait for it) . . . Weber State. And that was the LAST time your team was ranked!

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Sept. 28, 2013 4:35 p.m.

    Step #1: win some PAC-12 games.

    Oops....

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 3:20 p.m.

    @ Rockwell:

    The comments of certain ute fans prove their continued jealousy... even after their slim victory with less offense. All major football services still have BYU rated and ranked higher... especially come Monday. Their obsessions with all things BYU simply never ends, in spite of weak denials. Speaks volumes!

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 3:05 p.m.

    @ 4.in a Row:

    Its sad but also hilarious that your entire existence seems to center around being able to sometimes beat your Big Brother. By doing so, you are giving BYU the ultimate respect.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 2:58 p.m.

    @ Chris B:

    You also said Utah would beat OSU and Texas would beat BYU... neither of which happened. Since Utah can't even beat OSU at home, it's chances of beating UCLA are about as good as Middle Tennessee had of beating BYU.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Sept. 28, 2013 12:10 p.m.

    4ina

    "Factor in strength of schedule and then get back to me Cougar fans."

    Coaches/AP/Sagarin with SOS factored in:

    2011 #25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) > unranked/#39 Utah(8-5) (not a single vote in either poll)
    2012 unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) > unranked/#61 Utah(5-7)
    *2013 unranked/#43 BYU(1-2) < unranked/#42 Utah(3-1)

    *BYU/MTSU not factored in

    Even with a loss to Utah, BYU will be ranked ahead of Utah when the new rankings come out Monday, and the Cougars have been ranked ahead of the Utes in 2011 and 2012.

    The best thing about being the big brother, our entire season doesn't hang on the outcome of our game versus our little brother.

    Any questions?

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 11:54 a.m.

    @ Chris B:

    You also said Utah would beat OSU and Texas would beat BYU... neither of which happened. Since Utah can't even beat OSU at home, it's chances of beating UCLA are about as good as Middle Tennessee had of beating BYU.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 11:42 a.m.

    @ Chris B and wannabes:

    It's a good thing Utah is not playing today. It allows one more week to live in a dream land.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    While it's puzzling and frustrating trying to understand the success BYU has had against PAC10 & PAC12 opponents, both recently and in the past, and their continual crappy play against Utah, it is what it is. Utah has BYUs number, for whatever reason, but trying to make excuses or circumvent the scoreboard is just lame and futile for BYU fans. Utah owns us right now, and why that's the case I'm honestly not sure...the teams are actually pretty evenly matched in terms of talent at this point.

    Anyway, the Holy War is old news. I think CB is forgetting about a very good ASU team, a good Arizona team, & a steadily improving USC team. No, the winner of Utah/UCLA will not determine the south when there are other very good teams in contention. It's tantamount to saying whoever wins the Niners-Seahawks game will win the NFC. Too many games, and too many contenders to make that assessment so early. Then again, I should consider the source.

    Good luck utes, keep the offense rolling, and tighten up that defense...bad A offenses are on the horizon.

  • 4 in a row! Ogden, UT
    Sept. 28, 2013 9:14 a.m.

    4 in a row!
    4 in a row!
    4 in a row!
    4 in a row!

    Factor in strength of schedule and then get back to me cougar fans.

    The best thing about 4 in a row, is the opportunity to go 5 in a row!

    RES 2016

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Sept. 28, 2013 12:05 a.m.

    Sparkley

    Utah keeps winning the head-to-head battles, but that doesn't always translate into winning the season-long war. One game does not a season make.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 11:50 p.m.

    The Moose

    "Despite the head-to-head results, BYU and Utah State have been better than U." Only in the convoluted world of college football where the winner is decided in a popularity contest instead on the field would anyone even think such a thing."

    Was Colorado(3-10) better than Utah(8-5)?
    Was UNLV(2-10) better than Utah(9-4)?
    Was Texas A&M(11-2) better than *Alabama(13-1)?

    *Alabama received EVERY 1st place vote in both the Final AP and Coaches polls.

    If Texas A&M was the better team, why didn't the Aggies play in the BCS championship game. Isn't the BCS supposed to ensure that the two best teams play for the championship?

    I've just given you three definitive results which prove that the better team doesn't always win the head-to-head. I could give you hundreds more.

  • Sparkley Briefs New York, NY
    Sept. 27, 2013 10:09 p.m.

    Silly Coug fans proclaiming their team superior to the team they haven't beaten in four years! Only BYU fans.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 6:28 p.m.

    @ PAC man

    Well Utah beat USU this year. It remains to be seen where the Aggies finish this season, but they look pretty good. Texas is not a good football team. Sorry, they're not. Congrats on that "big" win though.

    The Colorado comment is completely irrelevant and is a weak jab at best. The loss came two years ago. It has nothing to do with this year. Neither does last season's game. Right now Utah is the best football program in this state. You can't change that, so I suggest moving on.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 4:32 p.m.

    Utah won't win the PAC12 South. They'll lose to both UCLA and USC. not to mention the losses to Washington State, Oregon, and Stanford. Even with the BYU win they'll fail to hit 6 wins.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 3:36 p.m.

    Jealous of bcs teams,

    You byu fans said we wouldn't beat you this year. Or last year. Or the year before that. Or the year before that. Or against Alabama in prestigious bcs bowl.

    I like our chances against ucla. The question is what will your excuse be when Utah beats ucla?

  • The Moose Southern, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 3:13 p.m.

    Anti BCS: It is comments like yours that make people scratch their heads. "Despite the head-to-head results, BYU and Utah State have been better than U." Only in the convoluted world of college football where the winner is decided in a popularity contest instead on the field would anyone even think such a thing. I have been involved in sports most my life and head to head is all that matters.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 3:11 p.m.

    @Chris B
    "And those who say Utah wont win are the same people who said Utah wouldn't beat usu and wouldn't beat BYU. "

    As a Utah fan myself I thought Utah was pretty much near even odds to beat USU, OSU, and BYU (they beat 2 of 3, all 3 games were close so my assessments have been pretty good so far). UCLA is better than all three of them. I won't say that Utah can't beat UCLA, but I will say UCLA is more likely to win.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Sept. 27, 2013 3:05 p.m.

    MUSSman

    Remind us that last time the Utes had a significant win over a ranked (#16/#17 Utah State) or big time (Texas) opponent.

    Your sorry Utes are only 1-1 versus Colorado, a team that's lost TWENTY-ONE games in the last TWO years, and you barely avoided losing to the 11-loss Buffs last year.

  • FatMan86 West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 2:21 p.m.

    Item number 1 on this list:

    Start caring about something besides BYU! Outside of Utah (and you should go there sometime Chris B), nobody is impressed or cares if you beat a lame BYU or USU team. Beat UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, etc, and it's a much different story. There is no way around that!

    Yes, Utah is the best program in Utah, no debate there. But the real question is: are any of the Utah teams any good?

  • DontMUSSwUtah SLC, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 2:05 p.m.

    Pac man

    If Utah needs to move to the Big Sky to stay competitive, BYU should move their football program back to intramural flag football to stay competitive. In that league, Taysom's passing statistics should soar! He may even make it to an outstanding 40% completion percentage!!

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Sept. 27, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    christy

    "The Utah/UCLA winner WILL win the Pac 12 South."

    That's like saying the Purdue/Ohio State winner WILL win the B1G Leaders.

    BYU/USU fans mock Utah's PAC record because, despite Utah fan chest beating, your overall record has been far from impressive.

    Of the three, which two teams have finished in the Top 25 during the last two years?
    BYU and Utah State

    Of the three, which two teams have played in bowl games each of the last two years?
    BYU and Utah State

    Of the three, which is the ONLY team that has lost to a 10-loss team in the last two years?
    Utah

    Despite the head-to-head results, BYU and Utah State have been better than U.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 1:59 p.m.

    What a difference to have our starting quarterback healthy and doing well. This time last year, backup Jon Hayes was leading the Utes into PAC 12 play. The loss against Oregon State hurt, but Wilson's turnovers appear to have been out of character, with no picks in the other games. Great show of character by Wilson against OSU to overcome the turnovers and get the Utes back into the game.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 1:54 p.m.

    Pac man,

    How does it feel to lose every year to a team that you claim should be in the Big Sky?

    However "bad" we are, you're worse!

    Scoreboard!

  • Stanglette Alpine, Utah
    Sept. 27, 2013 1:45 p.m.

    the only thing utah can do to be successful in the pac12 is win pac12 games, that is it.

    that being said, they have not been successful, are not successful so far and have little chance this season of being successful.

    so I guess if all the homers embrace that, then I guess its time to hug away.

  • allanoil Springdale, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 1:39 p.m.

    Not much news here. The same list could be used for any football team in America, Pop Warner, High School, College or Pro.

    Kinda sounds like all the half time analyses: "Well, Biff, what do our Guys have to do to win the game?" Well, Buck, "Our defense has to get tough and the offense has to unleash and score a few more points! If they'll do that I'll guarantee a win for the Big Guys!"

    Dang, it sounds like I'm qualified to be a high paid TV personality! Where do I sign?

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Sept. 27, 2013 1:37 p.m.

    11. Move to the Big Sky where the Utes would be more competitive.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 1:06 p.m.

    Things I've said since offseason:

    1. Utah would beat usu(done)
    2. Utah would beat byu(done)
    3. Utah would go 8-4(well on our way)
    4. the Utah/UCLA winner would win pac 12 south

    And I like our chances against UCLA.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    byu and usu fans who mock Utah's record against good Pac 12 teams are hilarious.

    However "bad" we are, usu and byu are worse! Scoreboard!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    The Utah/UCLA winner WILL win the Pac 12 South.

    I've been saying it since the offseason.

    And those who say Utah wont win are the same people who said Utah wouldn't beat usu and wouldn't beat BYU. And those turned out just great!