Published: Friday, Sept. 27 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
Re: ". . . why don’t conservative Republicans and Democrats get busy
proposing needed changes in the law?"Talk about your
"foolish and hopeless exercises." It would be foolish and hopeless to
waste time on reasonable approaches to changing Obamacare.As you
mention, it's Obama and the left's signature piece of legislation. But
they've admitted it just a first [rather large] step toward a socialized,
single-payer takeover of medicine. Which is, of course, merely a step toward
complete socialization of all means of production and service [communism].No left-leaning politician will agree to step back from the socialist
brink -- that's where they want to be.Real people simply
can't afford to compromise with the leftist enemy anymore. There are WAY
more of us than there are of them. But they use the insane notion of some
obligation to compromise with them as the club to beat us bloody and exercise
minoritarian control.Every compromise brings them a step closer to
victory.They've got to be stopped. And confrontation is the
only way to do it.
Even President Obama admits that ObamaCare isn't perfect, but like past
legislation, and even our Constitution, America has moved forward with
implementing laws passed by Congress and worked to improve them. This should be
the outlook of the GOP. I think because the GOP has been bent on
"no" rather than making recommendations for improving the law,
they've lost credibility with the majority of Americans, and it
doesn't bode well for 2014 mid-term elections. Perhaps they fear that a
year into ObamaCare, Americans will see how it works -- and if it seems to
benefit citizens -- the GOP will lose further credibility.
At the moment, anything at all proposed by any democrat will be met with a loud
"NO" by Mike Lee and his crowd. They're just not interested in
anything but their own way.
The first duty of every Senator is to uphold the Constitution. The Constitution
is our guarantee that the government will not use public money for private
welfare. When most Senators, including our own Orrin Hatch willingly dip into
the public treasury to pay for the personal welfare of the citizens, people like
Mike Lee stand out as patriots.When a citizen asks government to use
public money to pay their personal medical bills, they have breached their
responsibility to require honesty in governmetn. Too many people have abdicated
their rights and responsibilities of citizenship for a bowl of mush. They would
rather have a nanny than to be free from an opressive government. The heritage
that was passed to them is being squandered so that someone from the government
will pat their heads and wipe their noses.Those who require other
citizens to pay for their personal welfare do not deserve freedom. Freedom
requires personal effort. It requires that all citizens reject those who would
have a king, those who would grovel for crumbs that fall from the king's
table. Obama has those pseudo citizens right where he wants them, grovelling for
When you see a train wreck about to happen, you do everything in your means to
I though the Tea Party members were against big union strikes. The actions of
these so-called patriots threatening to close down the government to get rid of
the Affordable Healthcare Act feel so much like union members who threaten to
strike to get their way.
The House of Representatives has passed a bill to fund the government while
defunding Obamacare. The government will shut down only if Obama and the Senate
want to shut it down.
"The House of Representatives has passed a bill to fund the government while
defunding Obamacare. The government will shut down only if Obama and the Senate
want to shut it down."FALSE.The government will shut
down only if the GOP continues to play its silly, childish games. Intelligent
Americans -- and there are lots of us -- will see through the propaganda smoke
screens and will know who to blame.Not only are Lee and Cruz making
complete fools of themselves, they are also ensuring a sweeping victory by
Democrats in the next election. It's going to be fun to watch.
"So instead of threatening the very life of the Republican Party with the
destructive extremism of no, no, no, why don’t conservative Republicans
and Democrats get busy proposing needed changes in the law?"______________________________If history is any indicator,
that's eventually what will happen. But as long as political hay can be
made by guys like Ted Cruz who would rather make a spectacle of himself than be
a responsible legislator, we'll just have to wait for that circus to run
When they first formed, I hoped the Tea Party would break the gridlock in
Washington. It turns out the Tea Party made gridlock worse... much worse. I
understand the Republican Party taking the Tea Party under wing in hopes of
revitalizing the GOP. They regret it now.The Republicans will bear
the blame of a government shut down. I wonder if there is some way they can
focus the blame on the Tea Party members in their party. That would allow the
GOP to clean house and get back to the values of Ronald Reagan.
Mike Lee and his allies cannot achieve their aims via our democratic process. If
you want to repeal a law, both houses of congress have to pass a repeal bill and
the president has to sign it. That's the only constitutional way to do it.
Instead they are using extortion as a way to subvert a law that was legitimately
enacted via our democratic process. Lee and his buddies are
subverting the constitution and the rule of law.
Glenn Reynolds, writing for USA Today, wrote: "So the Republican-controlled
House of Representatives -- with the help of a couple of Democrats -- has voted
to defund ObamaCare. In response, President Obama, declaring that the
Republicans are "trying to mess with me," has accused the House of
trying to shut down the government.But the government will only shut
down if Obama vetoes the budget that comes to his desk. The House budget funds
everything except for implementation of the Affordable Care Act better known as
ObamaCare. In truth, by refusing even to negotiate with the House leadership and
threatening to veto a budget that doesn't fit his own specifications, it is
Obama, not the House of Representatives, who is putting the country at risk of a
government shutdown."----Many on the Left would like
us to believe that the Republicans are behind the effort to hurt America by
"shutting down America". Obama wanted us to hurt as much as possible
when he crippled the Airports after his Squester plan was enacted. Now he is
trying to tell us that he is not responsible for his threats, even though he
holds the pen in his own hand.
Entirely missing from this Cruz/Lee circus is anything resembling a coherent,
workable alternative from the GOP for the tens of millions of Americans who
can't obtain or afford health insurance under our current system.Lest we forget, the ACA is in fact just a national version of
"Romneycare" in Massachusetts, which was originally the brainchild of
the conservative Heritage Foundation.Individual mandates, extra
taxes for failing to offer employees health insurance, state-run insurance
exchanges, eliminating pre-existing conditions exclusions, those all were
_Republican_ ideas from the mid-1990's.Meanwhile, healthcare
costs are the #1 cause of personal bankruptcy in our nation, we spend vastly
more per person on healthcare administration costs than any other nation, yet we
rank well below other industrialized nations in terms of quality and
availability of healthcare.If you don't like the ACA, fine,
offer a workable alternative, explain how it would work, how much in would cost,
why it's better than the ACA, and get busy convincing politicians to get on
board. Otherwise - you're just wasting everyone's time.
It's fine to stand on principle. But if your principles are dead wrong, as
most of the Tea Party principles are--particularly their naive view of
economics--then standing on principle is about the worst thing you can do.
one old man,I hate to disagree with you. You're usually spot
on. But it will take more than Lee and Cruz to defeat the GOP in House elections
next year. In spite of Democrats winning the overall vote in House elections in
2012, the GOP has gerrymandered its way to a majority by catering to pockets of
extremism. It will take two or three more cycles of lunacy to convince enough
die-hard conservatives that their chosen ones are destroying the country.
I don't know what would happen if "the government shut down".
Though there are those who artfully suggest, and even outrightly state, that it
would mean military pay and social security etc would cease to function
apparently that is not the case.What WOULD happen then? Does anyone
know?I am pleased to see Senator Lee, Cruz, Sessions etc attempt to
prevent the ACA bill passing. Many people have already received letters stating
that their insurance premiums will go up, while others have had their work hours
reduced to part time due to the ACA. One of our children has already said that
they will pay the penalty; they could not afford health care before and they
still cannot. They will be worse off and still have no health care. Democrats are afraid to withdraw their support of ACA and Republicans are
afraid they will be called bad names if they stand for anything. Most of
Congress seem unconcerned about others as a ruling class with special
retirement and health care programs funded in large part by the taxpayers.A majority of the people do not seem to want this program.
Correction: I am pleased with Senator Lee et all trying to prevent the ACA bill
being FUNDED; it already passed. After the juggernaut is halted or
paused, by defunding, a complete and detailed discussion could then take place
on this subject, which never took place before in its breathless passage. This
is a fundamental change to American society and needs a comprehensive airing.
I would hope that it is a bill that is presented not a complete
bureaucratic code, so far as it length is concerned. I doubt if a handful, if
even that, of the senators and representatives actually read the bill and we all
know of Pelosi's shameful statement that they should pass the bill and then
learn what it actually contained.
Cruz and Lee's overriding purpose with their tactics is to raise money for
entrenching themselves in the dysfunctional Senate. Those that call Jim Matheson
a democrat are delusional. What we have here is a congress of monkeys that have
no understanding about economics or the constitutional process of government.
Instead of rolling up their sleeves and fixing the flaws they, themselves
created, they will damage the "full faith and credit" of the United
States. Unprecedented. By the way, Mike Lee has no white horse.
It's enlightening to observe that those who are against Mike Lee use
something called "evil speaking" against him to further their agenda.
They can't or won't promote the advantages of ObamaCare. For that
matter, even Obama will not or cannot promote ObamaCare. He wants the
enforcement of that bill to be delayed. He doesn't want the political
fallout of what he champions to return and bite him in the 2014 election. Mike Lee has the courage to tell us that the emperor is wearing no
clothes, even as those who sing and dance with Obama try to tell us that
Obama's non-existant clothes are too fine to see and to pure to feel. Mike
Lee stands up for the Constitution while Obama and Obama's minions trample
all over that document.
@T party so its your way or the highway the? sorry the congress
does not get out of it that easy.
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