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Published: Friday, Sept. 27 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: ". . . why don’t conservative Republicans and Democrats get busy proposing needed changes in the law?"

Talk about your "foolish and hopeless exercises." It would be foolish and hopeless to waste time on reasonable approaches to changing Obamacare.

As you mention, it's Obama and the left's signature piece of legislation. But they've admitted it just a first [rather large] step toward a socialized, single-payer takeover of medicine. Which is, of course, merely a step toward complete socialization of all means of production and service [communism].

No left-leaning politician will agree to step back from the socialist brink -- that's where they want to be.

Real people simply can't afford to compromise with the leftist enemy anymore. There are WAY more of us than there are of them. But they use the insane notion of some obligation to compromise with them as the club to beat us bloody and exercise minoritarian control.

Every compromise brings them a step closer to victory.

They've got to be stopped. And confrontation is the only way to do it.

Baron Scarpia
Logan, UT

Even President Obama admits that ObamaCare isn't perfect, but like past legislation, and even our Constitution, America has moved forward with implementing laws passed by Congress and worked to improve them. This should be the outlook of the GOP.

I think because the GOP has been bent on "no" rather than making recommendations for improving the law, they've lost credibility with the majority of Americans, and it doesn't bode well for 2014 mid-term elections. Perhaps they fear that a year into ObamaCare, Americans will see how it works -- and if it seems to benefit citizens -- the GOP will lose further credibility.

Ranch
Here, UT

At the moment, anything at all proposed by any democrat will be met with a loud "NO" by Mike Lee and his crowd. They're just not interested in anything but their own way.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

The first duty of every Senator is to uphold the Constitution. The Constitution is our guarantee that the government will not use public money for private welfare. When most Senators, including our own Orrin Hatch willingly dip into the public treasury to pay for the personal welfare of the citizens, people like Mike Lee stand out as patriots.

When a citizen asks government to use public money to pay their personal medical bills, they have breached their responsibility to require honesty in governmetn. Too many people have abdicated their rights and responsibilities of citizenship for a bowl of mush. They would rather have a nanny than to be free from an opressive government. The heritage that was passed to them is being squandered so that someone from the government will pat their heads and wipe their noses.

Those who require other citizens to pay for their personal welfare do not deserve freedom. Freedom requires personal effort. It requires that all citizens reject those who would have a king, those who would grovel for crumbs that fall from the king's table. Obama has those pseudo citizens right where he wants them, grovelling for his crumbs.

T. Party
Pleasant Grove, UT

When you see a train wreck about to happen, you do everything in your means to avert it.

Really???
Kearns, UT

I though the Tea Party members were against big union strikes. The actions of these so-called patriots threatening to close down the government to get rid of the Affordable Healthcare Act feel so much like union members who threaten to strike to get their way.

T. Party
Pleasant Grove, UT

The House of Representatives has passed a bill to fund the government while defunding Obamacare. The government will shut down only if Obama and the Senate want to shut it down.

one old man
Ogden, UT

"The House of Representatives has passed a bill to fund the government while defunding Obamacare. The government will shut down only if Obama and the Senate want to shut it down."

FALSE.

The government will shut down only if the GOP continues to play its silly, childish games. Intelligent Americans -- and there are lots of us -- will see through the propaganda smoke screens and will know who to blame.

Not only are Lee and Cruz making complete fools of themselves, they are also ensuring a sweeping victory by Democrats in the next election. It's going to be fun to watch.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

"So instead of threatening the very life of the Republican Party with the destructive extremism of no, no, no, why don’t conservative Republicans and Democrats get busy proposing needed changes in the law?"
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If history is any indicator, that's eventually what will happen. But as long as political hay can be made by guys like Ted Cruz who would rather make a spectacle of himself than be a responsible legislator, we'll just have to wait for that circus to run its course.

Moderate
Salt Lake City, UT

When they first formed, I hoped the Tea Party would break the gridlock in Washington. It turns out the Tea Party made gridlock worse... much worse. I understand the Republican Party taking the Tea Party under wing in hopes of revitalizing the GOP. They regret it now.

The Republicans will bear the blame of a government shut down. I wonder if there is some way they can focus the blame on the Tea Party members in their party. That would allow the GOP to clean house and get back to the values of Ronald Reagan.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Mike Lee and his allies cannot achieve their aims via our democratic process. If you want to repeal a law, both houses of congress have to pass a repeal bill and the president has to sign it. That's the only constitutional way to do it. Instead they are using extortion as a way to subvert a law that was legitimately enacted via our democratic process.

Lee and his buddies are subverting the constitution and the rule of law.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Glenn Reynolds, writing for USA Today, wrote: "So the Republican-controlled House of Representatives -- with the help of a couple of Democrats -- has voted to defund ObamaCare. In response, President Obama, declaring that the Republicans are "trying to mess with me," has accused the House of trying to shut down the government.

But the government will only shut down if Obama vetoes the budget that comes to his desk. The House budget funds everything except for implementation of the Affordable Care Act better known as ObamaCare. In truth, by refusing even to negotiate with the House leadership and threatening to veto a budget that doesn't fit his own specifications, it is Obama, not the House of Representatives, who is putting the country at risk of a government shutdown."

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Many on the Left would like us to believe that the Republicans are behind the effort to hurt America by "shutting down America". Obama wanted us to hurt as much as possible when he crippled the Airports after his Squester plan was enacted. Now he is trying to tell us that he is not responsible for his threats, even though he holds the pen in his own hand.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

Entirely missing from this Cruz/Lee circus is anything resembling a coherent, workable alternative from the GOP for the tens of millions of Americans who can't obtain or afford health insurance under our current system.

Lest we forget, the ACA is in fact just a national version of "Romneycare" in Massachusetts, which was originally the brainchild of the conservative Heritage Foundation.

Individual mandates, extra taxes for failing to offer employees health insurance, state-run insurance exchanges, eliminating pre-existing conditions exclusions, those all were _Republican_ ideas from the mid-1990's.

Meanwhile, healthcare costs are the #1 cause of personal bankruptcy in our nation, we spend vastly more per person on healthcare administration costs than any other nation, yet we rank well below other industrialized nations in terms of quality and availability of healthcare.

If you don't like the ACA, fine, offer a workable alternative, explain how it would work, how much in would cost, why it's better than the ACA, and get busy convincing politicians to get on board.

Otherwise - you're just wasting everyone's time.

Mick Stupp
Happy Valley, UT

It's fine to stand on principle. But if your principles are dead wrong, as most of the Tea Party principles are--particularly their naive view of economics--then standing on principle is about the worst thing you can do.

Nonconlib
Happy Valley, UT

one old man,

I hate to disagree with you. You're usually spot on. But it will take more than Lee and Cruz to defeat the GOP in House elections next year. In spite of Democrats winning the overall vote in House elections in 2012, the GOP has gerrymandered its way to a majority by catering to pockets of extremism. It will take two or three more cycles of lunacy to convince enough die-hard conservatives that their chosen ones are destroying the country.

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

I don't know what would happen if "the government shut down". Though there are those who artfully suggest, and even outrightly state, that it would mean military pay and social security etc would cease to function apparently that is not the case.

What WOULD happen then? Does anyone know?

I am pleased to see Senator Lee, Cruz, Sessions etc attempt to prevent the ACA bill passing. Many people have already received letters stating that their insurance premiums will go up, while others have had their work hours reduced to part time due to the ACA. One of our children has already said that they will pay the penalty; they could not afford health care before and they still cannot. They will be worse off and still have no health care.

Democrats are afraid to withdraw their support of ACA and Republicans are afraid they will be called bad names if they stand for anything. Most of Congress seem unconcerned about others as a ruling class with special retirement and health care programs funded in large part by the taxpayers.

A majority of the people do not seem to want this program.

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

Correction: I am pleased with Senator Lee et all trying to prevent the ACA bill being FUNDED; it already passed.

After the juggernaut is halted or paused, by defunding, a complete and detailed discussion could then take place on this subject, which never took place before in its breathless passage. This is a fundamental change to American society and needs a comprehensive airing.

I would hope that it is a bill that is presented not a complete bureaucratic code, so far as it length is concerned. I doubt if a handful, if even that, of the senators and representatives actually read the bill and we all know of Pelosi's shameful statement that they should pass the bill and then learn what it actually contained.

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

Cruz and Lee's overriding purpose with their tactics is to raise money for entrenching themselves in the dysfunctional Senate. Those that call Jim Matheson a democrat are delusional. What we have here is a congress of monkeys that have no understanding about economics or the constitutional process of government. Instead of rolling up their sleeves and fixing the flaws they, themselves created, they will damage the "full faith and credit" of the United States. Unprecedented. By the way, Mike Lee has no white horse.

J Thompson
SPRINGVILLE, UT

It's enlightening to observe that those who are against Mike Lee use something called "evil speaking" against him to further their agenda. They can't or won't promote the advantages of ObamaCare. For that matter, even Obama will not or cannot promote ObamaCare. He wants the enforcement of that bill to be delayed. He doesn't want the political fallout of what he champions to return and bite him in the 2014 election.

Mike Lee has the courage to tell us that the emperor is wearing no clothes, even as those who sing and dance with Obama try to tell us that Obama's non-existant clothes are too fine to see and to pure to feel. Mike Lee stands up for the Constitution while Obama and Obama's minions trample all over that document.

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@T party

so its your way or the highway the? sorry the congress does not get out of it that easy.

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