Comments about ‘Sen. Mike Lee taking his stand against health care law to Iowa, may be eyeing White House’

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Published: Wednesday, Sept. 25 2013 6:40 p.m. MDT

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lehiaggie
Lehi, UT

Perhaps he should be more concerned about representing the "majority" of Utahns.

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC

So many liberal government house slaves on this site. Personally, I would love them to see Obamacareso it can fail miserably and totally wipe out the left. Maybe it would lead to an extermination of all political parties which is my ultimate goal.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Pragmatistferlife: Thank you. I have very few people on these blogs that want to respond. I appreciate your thoughts. I absolutely believe in the rule of law, which is why I am a patriot even when people are compelling me to live by laws that I disagree with. I don't see how anyone can look at America right now and objectively say that it is a land of liberty! Our government is dictating almost everything, including the recent grab for power, Obamacare (sorry, I don't even know its title). I am absolutely not an anarchist. I have obeyed the laws my whole life, many of which are onerous, burdensome, and/or against my conscience or the Constitution. Big brother isn't interested in anything but dictating and eating more. The irresponsible, the war mongers, the thriftless, and the immoral have taken as much liberty as they are going to take from me. The Kingmen are in power! Once you back someone into a corner, at some point he/she makes a stand and won't budge. That time has finally come for many.

mattrick78
Cedar City, UT

Since hitching his wagon to the Ted Cruz circus train, Mike Lee's father must be spinning in his grave. Come on Mike, we expect more from you.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

The entitlement generation is alive and well here. I've never heard such self-pitying drivel, and 'take care of my life' mentality that I read on a continual basis here. The entitlement generation doesn't even try to understand how something is paid for, it just needs to be paid for by someone, but not them. The thinking would be amusing if were leading to such false conclusions, such as life is supposed to be easy. The self-absorbed entitlement generation has won the battle with Obamacare, but hopefully there are a few parents around that still expect their children to get up and go to work! Life is hard, guys.

mattrick78
Cedar City, UT

@bandersen

This country has had entitlements in some form or another. It doesn't just belong to one generational cohort.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

Bandersen, I'm going to challenge your assumption that the entitlement generation has won with Obamacare. First of all there really isn't anything free about the ACA. Secondly to conclude that all those in a civil society are "entitled" to health care is really only to join the reality of the civilized/industrialized world. Everybody but us came to that conclusion long ago and moved to some kind of system that acknowledged it.

There are things that being a member of a civilized society you are entitled to. That doesn't mean they are free. Health care should be and is one of those things. Some countries provide it through taxes, some through a combination of taxes and personal payments, but all with the exception of America guarantee that all in society are involved both as recipients and as providers/funders.

That's all the ACA does is take that step for America that says all should and can receive and all should provide or fund. Your objections are bewildering.

Bob K
porland, OR

Think, people!

Everyone should know that Americans pay far more of our wealth for healthcare, to a system that leaves out tens of millions of people, than folks in other countries pay for care that includes everyone. Even if you disdain the poor, you might prefer they go to doctors rather than call 911 and have 2 vehicles and 5 people, or clog emergency rooms, for cost reasons.

Everyone should know that healthcare reform was put off for 40 years because there is too much profit for the industry, for lobbyists, and for legislators in the old, inefficient system. Rather than blaming Obama, they could blame Nixon or Reagan for not handling it.

Everyone can look at Sen. Lee's face (and read most of the comments here) to see that he is not the shining example of what "well educated" Utah could send to Washington.

Pardon me if I, an outsider, think that a news outlet belonging to a church known for its members' contributions to society ought not to attract quite so many commenters who seem to speak without considering what Jesus might say.

RedneckLefty
St. George, UT

I fully support Mike Lee's presidential aspirations, for 2 reasons: 1) He doesn't have a chance, and 2) a Mike Lee for President Campaign would make for an almost unbearably funny season of The Daily Show.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Pragmatisferlife: I hardly would call 'joining' the rest of the civilized world a step up. America doesn't follow; It leads! Unfortunately, Obamacare wasn't about healthcare; it's about power and control. America will now join the rest of the world in thinking that Socialism makes people happier or more content. It won't last. I just don't believe Americans will put up with reduced health care benefits at a higher cost. Socialism has nothing to do with 'care'. In the end it destroys family life, makes people more dependent on government, and will bring an economic disaster. It will take a few years, but the writing is on the wall. This will pit young against the old, families against singles, men against women, the entitlement generation against those who believe in individual initiative, and the responsible against the irresponsible. The African American family has been decimated by welfare dependency and government programs that promote getting everything for free. The rest of our society is sure to follow. I will fight this to my very last breath and label the politicians who support it our modern day kingmen. For so they are.

owlmaster2
Kaysville, UT

Maybe Lee should run for the Senate in Iowa.

Gracie
Boise, ID

This pathetic level of Commentary against Mike Lee and Ted Cruz is amazing to me, but I should be used to it by now. Of COURSE most of us only want laws we approve of. What's to be ashamed of in that? Nobody wants to live within someone else's tyranny. Even those who would impose it on others make sure the laws will protect them in their depravity. And in "depravity" I'm speaking of doing any kind of harm to somebody else. Human lemmings will follow the wave over the cliff as long as they continue to fantasize that a different result will occur for them by the time they hit the ground.

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

Mike Lee is one of the best senators we have.

He has offered positive solutions on maintaining social security and in relieving the income tax burdens of families with children.

He stands against funding a system that is unconstitutional (not one of the enumerated powers of the federal government) and should, if desired, be organized on a state level.

The proposed system is one that does not have the support of the majority of the people, its details are too numerous to ever be fully discussed, and which is coercive, does not appear to be financially sound.

It has already led to many examples of stagnating business and reducing work opportunities and depleting wages (business owners feeling they have to remain small employers, and others putting employees on part time to avoid governmental mandates vis a vis ACA).

Clark D
Houston, TX

We have all suffered and continue to have to live with a policy that is not in the best interest of those effected by Obama Care. If shutting down the government to get the action necessary to defund this government insurance then so be it. If you turn yur back on the candidates that are willing to fight this then the democrats and the liberals win another battle by forcing the issue. We should support these that are willing to at least try to stop this monstrosity. We should be willing to make sacrifices to win these type battles.

BYUalum
South Jordan, UT

As to date, other than Rand Paul in the Senate, we the people, have no one to raise our concerns about limiting government, protecting the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution, and crying out against Obamacare (ObamaDoesn'tCare), etc. The rest of the pack are completely gutless EXCEPT Ted Cruz and Mike Lee. They have principles, courage, and pristine character. Both are very, very smart. Finally we have someone to speak for us who is not intimidated by the Main Stream Media, other Senators, the President, and other liberal critics. They are real men and leaders. We do not have to fall in line and be fed a bunch of lies without doing and saying something for the people.

terra nova
Park City, UT

It is people like Mike Lee and his tea-party toadies that make me wonder if I should formally end my affiliation with the Republican party. I honestly thought he had more sense than this.

Spellman789
Syracuse, UT

He doesn't care about America, he is just trying to make a name for himself. Well it is working, not the way he hoped I expect. He needs to be out of office.

Itsjstmeagain
Merritt Island, Fl

You are on the wrong side of history, and the wrong side of the Country.
If you want to find some "win", pretend you are the leader and pass a clean CRA.

UGradBYUfan
Snowflake, AZ

@bandersen
I think your analogy about the king men vs. the freemen is completely delusional! The king men wanted to put more power into the hands of the already rich and powerful. Making healthcare affordable (obamacare) is the exact opposite. It is trying to spread the burden for maintaining healthcare over a larger proportion of the population so that more people will be able to have insurance, not less

psyphile1
Cedar Hills, UT

A big thanks to Mike Lee for voting and standing for his convictions; ditto for Jason Chaffetz. I respect that they don't simply follow the RINO party line. Good for them, and good for Ted Cruz as well. With few exceptions, the last 20 years of Republican and Democratic leadership have teamed up to produce serious problems for the country. As we continue to see the moral and financial decline of our great nation, it's nice to see a few courageous representatives willing to buck the PC tradition and stand up for constitutional principles.

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