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Published: Wednesday, Sept. 25 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Mainly Me
Werribee, 00

Why is the weapon being demonized? What about the lack of morals? How about the breakdown of the family unit? England banned firearms, yet they still have the 2nd highest violent crime rate in Europe. Why didn't that ban work? Now they want to ban long pointed knives. When will they realize that you can't ban stupidity or legislate common sense.

ECR
Burke, VA

Thank you for your courageous essay promoting a common sense approach to the tragic circumstances that have plagued every aspect of our national life. Whether it is a shopping mall in Salt Lake City, a university campus in Virginia, a movie theatre in Colorado or a classroom full of first graders in Connecticut, gun violence has intruded on the safety we used to feel.

The gun rights supporters will be quick to point out that guns aren't the problem, but people are the problem. And they are right. So let's do all we can to prohibit those "people" who threaten our safety from getting access to the guns that have been used to bring such sorrow and grief to out citizens. The Constitution guarentees out right to bear arms but, as my father used to say, with every right comes a responsibilty. And the responsible thing for all of us to do is to support increased background checks that would stop dangerous people from easily obtaining guns and jeopardizing the rights of law abiding citizens who want access to guns for hunting, recreation or for thier personlal safety. Support of such legislation is the responsible thing to do.

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Pops
NORTH SALT LAKE, UT

The real problem is violent behavior. Violent behavior is not caused by guns. By promoting increased scrutiny of gun sales - which is not necessarily a bad thing if done prudently - the author and others divert attention from the real problem, which is a broad range of mental and emotional disorders in people. In addition to ensuring that these people don't have easy access to weapons of any kind, not just guns, we ought to understand what produces these kinds of problems. When I look at articles about the recent mass shooters, I don't see anything about how they were raised. Do they come from broken homes? Did they spend more of their waking hours in day care centers than home when they were growing up? How did they come to be so dysfunctional? What can we do differently to reduce the ranks of the maladjusted and the mentally ill?

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Amen! Congress is doing rhe bidding of the NRA and those of us who agree with you are not showing up to vote and not making our voices heard.

Re:MainlyMe

The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports defines a ‘violent crime’ as one of four specific offenses: murder and non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault." By contrast, "the British definition includes all ‘crimes against the person,’ including simple assaults, all robberies, and all ‘sexual offenses,’ as opposed to the FBI, which only counts aggravated assaults and ‘forcible rapes."

The vast majority of violent crimes are aggravated assaults, and this is a category that isn’t as well defined as homicides, rapes and robberies.

Our preliminary attempt to make an apples-to-apples comparison shows a much smaller difference in violent crime rates between the two countries, but criminologists say differences in how the statistics are collected make it impossible to produce a truly valid comparison. We rate the claim False.
(Politifact)

Furthermore--the homicide rate in the U.S. is 4.8/100,000 while in the UK it is 1.2/100,000

Freedom Seeker
Riverton, UT

How can you be so naive to think passing another law will fix the mass shooting problem. The recent shooters at the Navy Base violated several laws already on the books. They obviously don't care about following laws, they are evil and evil people will never follow laws. If it were possible to get rid of all guns, which it isn't do you think the evil would stop? No, they will use some other means; bombs, vehicles, planes, etc. We can't enforce all the laws on the books now, more won't help. Please wake up to reality.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

I would support everything the writer has written, and I didn't even read it, if I thought it would do anything to stop what he wants to stop. The number of lives saved from the right to bear arms is far and away higher than the number of lives that would be saved by implementing any policy outlined here or anywhere else on capital hill. With all due respect, educating people about their God-given rights and formulating a written policy from our leaders that supports family life, prayer, and education will do infinitely more than a law that does nothing more than lecture us that government has the answers, if you will just get behind its efforts to take away a God-given right.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

A study by Professor Michael Siegel at Boston University and two coauthors, has been peer-reviewed and is forthcoming in the American Journal of Public Health. Siegel and his colleagues compiled data on firearm homicides from all 50 states from 1981-2010, the longest stretch of time ever studied in this fashion, and set about seeing whether they could find any relationship between changes in gun ownership and murder using guns over time.

They found a robust relationship between gun ownership and firearm homicide rates,

They found that states with higher levels of gun ownership had disproportionately large numbers of deaths from firearm-related homicides.
(Sept 2013)

SEY
Sandy, UT

Truthseeker: what percentage of those deaths are from suicide versus felony homicides? Do those laws reduce gun-related crimes? How many crimes have been averted because of those laws?

ECR
Burke, VA

Every time a mass shooting/killing takes place we have this same "discussion" and we get no where. For a certain portion of the population, those who own and promote gun ownership, even those who do it legally, are seen in a negative light because they seem reluctant to find a solution and seem more devoted to their defensive position of staunchly supporting their right to bear arms.

It seems illogical to me that those gun owners/supporters would not want to find a solution to a problem that paints an unfair, negative picture of law abiding gun owners. By eliminating the access of guns to those who should not have them for mental health or other reasons, it will only enhance a strong gun rights position for those who choose to own and use guns for lawful purposes. To refuse to even talk about solutions is irresponsible.

Yes, prayer, strengthening the family and education should be promoted in the nation for more reasons than just violence, but a discussion about how to limit or erase access to those guns by the wrong people should also be part of our conversation.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

Why have more background checks? They wouldn't have stopped any of the recent shooters from getting the weapons because background checks only address criminal records.

Until we are prepared to address the mental illness issue, we will not stop these killings, not even with 100% background checks. We couldn't even stop them with a gun ban. These psychos would just used a a different weapon, like bombs, or homemade guns.

Deal with the mental illness and you can make a real difference.

SEY
Sandy, UT

Background checks seemed to fail when it came to the killers in Aurora, Sandy Hook and the Washington navy yard. Don't you think we just need to improve on the background checks we already have in place before we expand them?

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Well, it looks like the consensus of many is that if we cant fix the problem 100%, then there is no need to do anything.

So, lets remove all laws pertaining to drugs/alcohol, gambling and speeding, prostitution, and heck, might as well add Murder to the list.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

JoeBlow said it well.
For those who live in a black and white all or nothing world, if only the world were so simple.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I hate to break this to you Miriam, but our political leaders can't stop gun violence. It's up to US.

Our leaders can't be everywhere at all times, and just making a law doesn't prevent bad-guys from getting the weapons illegally.

It's up to you and I to prevent gun violence. We can't offload that responsibility to our political leaders. Only YOU know if a family member is mentally disturbed or would harm people if he got a gun. The Government doesn't know!

WE... need to keep guns out of the hands of our family members that would abuse that gun. Not the government.

Freedom Seeker
Riverton, UT

All you naive people who think evil, criminals obey laws need to wake up. Evil people don't go through the legal process to get their guns so adding more laws won't help the problem. Pass all the laws you want about gun ownership and it won't help, evil people will continue to get guns from the black market or steel them themselves just like they always have done.

One problem is there is nothing to deter an evil person from committing mass murder by any means. The worst thing we can do to a mass murder is sentence them to death which takes decades to accomplish. They just don't care about their life; most of them are willing to give their life for their cause, and many even commit suicide when they have finished their evil deed. Do you really think they will care about any new laws you pass? Do you not realize murder is illegal already? Let's wake up, the evil person is the problem not the method they use to commit murder, mass or otherwise.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

The right wing gun nuts have no intention of helping with this problem. They have no solutions, no suggestions, no recommendations, other than "lock up the crazies." But how do we know who's crazy and who isn't unless we CHECK UP ON THEM when they try to buy a firearm? Their circular arguments take us nowhere but back to the killing field.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

The only obvious solution is more guns. Guns, guns for everyone!

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Re:SEY

The study I cited looked at felony homicides, not suicides. But they also noted:

"Studies have shown that individual gun ownership is related to an increased risk of being a homicide victim."

But in a 2013 study, published in the American Journal of Epidemiology, Dr.Matthew Miller and colleagues point out a striking statistic. In 2010, 22,000 people attempted suicide with a gun, and all but 2,000 were successful. If one out of every 10 of those people used something other than a gun, about 1,900 additional people would have lived.

And
A new study by a coalition of gun-control groups, including Mayors Against Illegal Guns, found that in states that have implemented "stand your ground" laws, the number of justifiable homicides has skyrocketed.

The rate is up 53 percent in 22 states, according to the study. In Florida, the average annual rate is up 200 percent. In states that do not have those laws, the rate has declined marginally.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Irony Guy,
The "right wing gun nutz" may not have the solution, but neither does the government worshiping left.

Like you lamented... "how do we know who's crazy and who isn't unless we CHECK UP ON THEM". How does the Government know they are crazy? They don't. They can't!

And if the government tries to identify every nut who doesn't deserve 2nd amendment rights... it's very subject to abuse (labeling someone "unfit" for speaking out on Common Core, or attending a tea party rally, etc).

IMO the government CAN'T know every person's mental state. But WE KNOW when people we live with are unstable. Think about it... in every case we've had lately, the perpetrator got the weapon after passing a background check... PASSING! OR... they got the weapon from their parents (or other relative).

IMO the Parents, wives, etc, should have known they were unstable and prevented their access to guns (the government can't check on every citizen as frequently as we should check on the mental state of our own children, parents, etc).

Don't allow unstable children access to guns. Whether they bought, borrowed or stole them.

one old man
Ogden, UT

In 2010, 31,076 Americans died of gunshot wounds. 73,505 were treated at hospitals and survived.

In 2009, 30,797 Americans died in traffic accidents. No information on injured who survived.

Very interesting numbers.

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