Published: Wednesday, Sept. 25 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
Why is the weapon being demonized? What about the lack of morals? How about
the breakdown of the family unit? England banned firearms, yet they still have
the 2nd highest violent crime rate in Europe. Why didn't that ban work?
Now they want to ban long pointed knives. When will they realize that you
can't ban stupidity or legislate common sense.
Thank you for your courageous essay promoting a common sense approach to the
tragic circumstances that have plagued every aspect of our national life.
Whether it is a shopping mall in Salt Lake City, a university campus in
Virginia, a movie theatre in Colorado or a classroom full of first graders in
Connecticut, gun violence has intruded on the safety we used to feel.The gun rights supporters will be quick to point out that guns aren't the
problem, but people are the problem. And they are right. So let's do all
we can to prohibit those "people" who threaten our safety from getting
access to the guns that have been used to bring such sorrow and grief to out
citizens. The Constitution guarentees out right to bear arms but, as my father
used to say, with every right comes a responsibilty. And the responsible thing
for all of us to do is to support increased background checks that would stop
dangerous people from easily obtaining guns and jeopardizing the rights of law
abiding citizens who want access to guns for hunting, recreation or for thier
personlal safety. Support of such legislation is the responsible thing to do.
The real problem is violent behavior. Violent behavior is not caused by guns. By
promoting increased scrutiny of gun sales - which is not necessarily a bad thing
if done prudently - the author and others divert attention from the real
problem, which is a broad range of mental and emotional disorders in people. In
addition to ensuring that these people don't have easy access to weapons of
any kind, not just guns, we ought to understand what produces these kinds of
problems. When I look at articles about the recent mass shooters, I don't
see anything about how they were raised. Do they come from broken homes? Did
they spend more of their waking hours in day care centers than home when they
were growing up? How did they come to be so dysfunctional? What can we do
differently to reduce the ranks of the maladjusted and the mentally ill?
Amen! Congress is doing rhe bidding of the NRA and those of us who agree with
you are not showing up to vote and not making our voices heard.Re:MainlyMeThe FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports defines a
‘violent crime’ as one of four specific offenses: murder and
non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault."
By contrast, "the British definition includes all ‘crimes against the
person,’ including simple assaults, all robberies, and all ‘sexual
offenses,’ as opposed to the FBI, which only counts aggravated assaults
and ‘forcible rapes."The vast majority of violent crimes
are aggravated assaults, and this is a category that isn’t as well defined
as homicides, rapes and robberies.Our preliminary attempt to make an
apples-to-apples comparison shows a much smaller difference in violent crime
rates between the two countries, but criminologists say differences in how the
statistics are collected make it impossible to produce a truly valid comparison.
We rate the claim False.(Politifact)Furthermore--the homicide
rate in the U.S. is 4.8/100,000 while in the UK it is 1.2/100,000
How can you be so naive to think passing another law will fix the mass shooting
problem. The recent shooters at the Navy Base violated several laws already on
the books. They obviously don't care about following laws, they are evil
and evil people will never follow laws. If it were possible to get rid of all
guns, which it isn't do you think the evil would stop? No, they will use
some other means; bombs, vehicles, planes, etc. We can't enforce all the
laws on the books now, more won't help. Please wake up to reality.
I would support everything the writer has written, and I didn't even read
it, if I thought it would do anything to stop what he wants to stop. The number
of lives saved from the right to bear arms is far and away higher than the
number of lives that would be saved by implementing any policy outlined here or
anywhere else on capital hill. With all due respect, educating people about
their God-given rights and formulating a written policy from our leaders that
supports family life, prayer, and education will do infinitely more than a law
that does nothing more than lecture us that government has the answers, if you
will just get behind its efforts to take away a God-given right.
A study by Professor Michael Siegel at Boston University and two coauthors, has
been peer-reviewed and is forthcoming in the American Journal of Public Health.
Siegel and his colleagues compiled data on firearm homicides from all 50 states
from 1981-2010, the longest stretch of time ever studied in this fashion, and
set about seeing whether they could find any relationship between changes in gun
ownership and murder using guns over time.They found a robust
relationship between gun ownership and firearm homicide rates,They
found that states with higher levels of gun ownership had disproportionately
large numbers of deaths from firearm-related homicides. (Sept 2013)
Truthseeker: what percentage of those deaths are from suicide versus felony
homicides? Do those laws reduce gun-related crimes? How many crimes have been
averted because of those laws?
Every time a mass shooting/killing takes place we have this same
"discussion" and we get no where. For a certain portion of the
population, those who own and promote gun ownership, even those who do it
legally, are seen in a negative light because they seem reluctant to find a
solution and seem more devoted to their defensive position of staunchly
supporting their right to bear arms.It seems illogical to me that
those gun owners/supporters would not want to find a solution to a problem that
paints an unfair, negative picture of law abiding gun owners. By eliminating
the access of guns to those who should not have them for mental health or other
reasons, it will only enhance a strong gun rights position for those who choose
to own and use guns for lawful purposes. To refuse to even talk about solutions
is irresponsible. Yes, prayer, strengthening the family and
education should be promoted in the nation for more reasons than just violence,
but a discussion about how to limit or erase access to those guns by the wrong
people should also be part of our conversation.
Why have more background checks? They wouldn't have stopped any of the
recent shooters from getting the weapons because background checks only address
criminal records. Until we are prepared to address the mental
illness issue, we will not stop these killings, not even with 100% background
checks. We couldn't even stop them with a gun ban. These psychos would just
used a a different weapon, like bombs, or homemade guns.Deal with
the mental illness and you can make a real difference.
Background checks seemed to fail when it came to the killers in Aurora, Sandy
Hook and the Washington navy yard. Don't you think we just need to improve
on the background checks we already have in place before we expand them?
Well, it looks like the consensus of many is that if we cant fix the problem
100%, then there is no need to do anything. So, lets remove all
laws pertaining to drugs/alcohol, gambling and speeding, prostitution, and heck,
might as well add Murder to the list.
JoeBlow said it well. For those who live in a black and white all or
nothing world, if only the world were so simple.
I hate to break this to you Miriam, but our political leaders can't stop
gun violence. It's up to US.Our leaders can't be
everywhere at all times, and just making a law doesn't prevent bad-guys
from getting the weapons illegally. It's up to you and I to
prevent gun violence. We can't offload that responsibility to our
political leaders. Only YOU know if a family member is mentally disturbed or
would harm people if he got a gun. The Government doesn't know!WE... need to keep guns out of the hands of our family members that would
abuse that gun. Not the government.
All you naive people who think evil, criminals obey laws need to wake up. Evil
people don't go through the legal process to get their guns so adding more
laws won't help the problem. Pass all the laws you want about gun
ownership and it won't help, evil people will continue to get guns from the
black market or steel them themselves just like they always have done.One problem is there is nothing to deter an evil person from committing mass
murder by any means. The worst thing we can do to a mass murder is sentence them
to death which takes decades to accomplish. They just don't care about
their life; most of them are willing to give their life for their cause, and
many even commit suicide when they have finished their evil deed. Do you really
think they will care about any new laws you pass? Do you not realize murder is
illegal already? Let's wake up, the evil person is the problem not the
method they use to commit murder, mass or otherwise.
The right wing gun nuts have no intention of helping with this problem. They
have no solutions, no suggestions, no recommendations, other than "lock up
the crazies." But how do we know who's crazy and who isn't unless
we CHECK UP ON THEM when they try to buy a firearm? Their circular arguments
take us nowhere but back to the killing field.
The only obvious solution is more guns. Guns, guns for everyone!
Re:SEYThe study I cited looked at felony homicides, not suicides.
But they also noted:"Studies have shown that individual gun
ownership is related to an increased risk of being a homicide victim."But in a 2013 study, published in the American Journal of Epidemiology,
Dr.Matthew Miller and colleagues point out a striking statistic. In 2010, 22,000
people attempted suicide with a gun, and all but 2,000 were successful. If one
out of every 10 of those people used something other than a gun, about 1,900
additional people would have lived.AndA new study by a
coalition of gun-control groups, including Mayors Against Illegal Guns, found
that in states that have implemented "stand your ground" laws, the
number of justifiable homicides has skyrocketed.The rate is up 53
percent in 22 states, according to the study. In Florida, the average annual
rate is up 200 percent. In states that do not have those laws, the rate has
Irony Guy,The "right wing gun nutz" may not have the solution, but
neither does the government worshiping left.Like you lamented...
"how do we know who's crazy and who isn't unless we CHECK UP ON
THEM". How does the Government know they are crazy? They don't.
They can't! And if the government tries to identify every nut
who doesn't deserve 2nd amendment rights... it's very subject to abuse
(labeling someone "unfit" for speaking out on Common Core, or attending
a tea party rally, etc).IMO the government CAN'T know every
person's mental state. But WE KNOW when people we live with are unstable.
Think about it... in every case we've had lately, the perpetrator got the
weapon after passing a background check... PASSING! OR... they got the weapon
from their parents (or other relative). IMO the Parents, wives,
etc, should have known they were unstable and prevented their access to guns
(the government can't check on every citizen as frequently as we should
check on the mental state of our own children, parents, etc).Don't allow unstable children access to guns. Whether they bought,
borrowed or stole them.
In 2010, 31,076 Americans died of gunshot wounds. 73,505 were treated at
hospitals and survived.In 2009, 30,797 Americans died in traffic
accidents. No information on injured who survived.Very interesting
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